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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/2/2015 8:19:59 PM   
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From what i've seen, the cop said some things which were very inappropriate. But all the actions he took were legal and within police regulations.
During a traffic stop an officer has the right to order you, and anyone else, out of the vehicle. As far as i'm aware no reason at all is required for this.

It's the duty of citizens to know the laws of the land, and comply with orders from an officer of the law.

Did his actions break any laws or regulations?

They did.

http://www.texasstandard.org/stories/10-things-about-the-sandra-bland-traffic-stop-every-texan-should-know/

Thank you for posting this, this pretty much sums up everything that was done wrong.
This is a MUST READ!




there are a lot of problems with this.


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Texas trooper Brian Encinia who arrested Sandra Bland had been warned over conduct.

(Reuters) - The Texas trooper who arrested a black woman later found hanged to death in jail was warned about his "unprofessional conduct" in 2014, according to documents obtained by the Associated Press.

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-trooper-arrested-sandra-bland-had-warned-over-170449913.html



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Council members are reviewing video of four arrests and detentions over the past month. The officers and police chief, who are the targets of the complaints, are white. Some residents are calling for a third of the city's 15 person police force to be suspended, disciplined, or fired.

Allegations of racism have led to the Hempstead police chief being suspended and ordered to take anger management classes.

The Hempstead city council has been reviewing the case since last week and finally came to a decision at around 2am Tuesday. A number of residents have come forward with claims of racism by at least four white police officers.

The council reviewed the complaints, along with videotapes before making their decision to punish Chief Glen Smith. Some say it wasn't enough. The chief says he respects the decision.

"My action during the arrest did not meet professionalism as it should with language and I'm not above policy and procedure, no more than any officer of this city," said Chief Smith.

It would seem that once a law enforcement officer—a chief of police no less—is suspended and then fired for racism and abuse, his ability to serve in law enforcement would cease.

That'd be too much like right, though.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/16/1402770/-Texas-Sheriff-involved-in-the-death-of-Sandra-Bland-fired-from-previous-post-for-racism


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The dashcam video also recorded a phone conversation Encinia had with a supervisor.

“I tried to de-escalate her, and it wasn’t working at all,” Encinia says. “I put the Taser away, I tried talking to her, trying to calm her down, and that was not working. … I’m trying to get her detained … just calm her down, saying’stop throwing your arms,’ what not. She never swung at me, (she was) just flailing, stomping around. And that’s enough, that’s when I detained her.”





OMFG! A cracker jack camera takes better pics than this.

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https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/sandrablandmugshot2.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all


Bland’s mugshot from the side view. (Waller County Sheriff)

To help clear up the rumors about the mugshot, journalists have asked for the photo taken from the side to be released at a higher quality. The only publicly available image showing her from the side is blurry and dark, and was released as part of the booking documents from her jail intake forms.

The new clearer image has not yet been released.



http://whathappenedtosandrabland.com/



Booking documents for Sandra Bland here



7:05am -- Two officers checked on Sandra and she was reported as fine.
7:55am -- Sandra used the intercom to call the control room about using the phone
8:54am -- Officer reports seeing Sandra hanging, CPR begins
9:00am -- EMS called
9:04am -- EMS arrived

In the chronology, it is noted that the Waller County staff loosened the noose and began to perform CPR. But the assistant medical examiner noted that the noose was not removed until 12:14pm. Was the noose still around Sandra’s neck when CPR was said to have been performed?

How was she taken down from the hanging?
The report notes that she was checked on every hour while in custody -- where is the log?
The report notes that she allegedly made a noose at the privacy partition which is taller than her, placed her head in the noose, and then sat down. What did she sit on? How did she sit?


Why/how is there still leaf debris in her skin three days later, to be removed by the assistant medical examiner?

Was saliva on her shirt at the time of death? There should be if she indeed choked.

She is noted as 70 inches (5.8 ft) in the autopsy but 6ft in the booking document. Why the inconsistency?

She is noted as weighing 175 lbs in the booking document but 164.5 lbs in the autopsy. Why the inconsistency?

She was issued a pair of white underwear, but they are not noted by the medical examiner as being present.

No underwear is noted by the assistant medical examiner.

Rape Kit
A rape kit was collected due to white pasty discharge. When will the rape kit be ran?
Who has custody of the rape kit?

If she ingested such a large quantity of marijuana, wouldn’t it still be present in her GI tract given the incredible high ng/mL in her system at the time of death?

Pyle was in jail for 17 days and magically posted bail immediately when she did the interview about Sandra Bland. That seems convenient.

Pyle is “positive” that it’s a suicide but she notes that she didn’t see anything.

Bland also told jail staffers she had epilepsy and was taking a medication called Keppra to treat the disorder. The sheriff did not answer whether Bland received her medication while in custody.

In the statement Thursday, the sheriff said Bland refused EMS that was called to the scene of the traffic stop. During the stop, after the arrest had been made, however, the trooper can be heard on the dash cam video telling his sargent that Bland requested EMS come to the scene.



top to bottom contradictions.
Someone even posted that she was found hanging with her feet on the ground and suspect suffocation then hung


I stole this from another forum, this guy claims to have been or is a city prosecutor:

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Here is my original post:

I used to prosecute traffic violations for the San Diego PD and the CA Highway Patrol. These were the drivers who chose to fight their tickets. To be absolutely honest, the majority of police officers who came into court struck me, the prosecutor, as arrogant and slightly above the law. And some were just Nazi thugs in patrol cars. I listened as a judge told one black woman, who was pulled over for a traffic stop and sequestered in the back of the patrol car--while her infant was left crying in the car seat in the closed driver's vehicle--"Ma'am, you need to bring this officer up on charges." The officer, a young white female, was foul mouthed and abusive, and refused to let this woman even check on the condition of her child. The violation? The black motorist had crossed a four-lane highway from a side street stop, and the officer, some 1500-2000 yards from the incident saw one of the other driver's brake lights come on. No skidding, no horn, no swerve, just brake lights on and then off, so the black driver MUST have failed to yield the right of way. Pull her over and get abusive, that's professional conduct.

The judge that told the motorist to bring the officer up on charges? I believe she was Jewish, in case anybody might wonder.

In another case, the drywaller union was out on strike. So the local PD officers were each assigned one of the striking workers to tag and follow around all day until they could catch them making a traffic mistake. One black motorist I was assigned to prosecute had been ticketed 8 time in the space of less than a month. The officer assigned to him... white. After the 8th ticket was summarily dismissed--the judge didn't even give me a chance to prosecute the ticket--the officer followed the man out of the court room and proceeded to do the same thing again. And why were the local police who called themselves the "Drywall Task Force" so willing to forego real traffic violators and gang up instead on the members of this particular workers' union? Because these upright public servants were in somebody's pocket at City Hall.



In addition a problem I have with this is that the claim is that 2 officers checked on her immediately prior, I find it hard to believe that 2 would be assigned to do this check. and lets not forget we have not seen any time stamped footage what so ever from these people which allows editing to your hearts content.


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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/2/2015 9:12:16 PM   
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Keep up the good work RO.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/2/2015 10:08:40 PM   
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Here is some more from that guy who claims he was a prosecutor:

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I would like some critical feedback on this:

So based on my own observations and experience with police officers, here's my take on Sandra Bland (take it or leave it). She was an outspoken civil rights activist. She had recently moved to Houston from Chicago--a yankee nigger come to Texas to cause trouble. So they targeted her, tagged her car and followed her. Oh... lookee there, she didn't use her turn signal. Get her now, and if she gives us lip we'll use that as an excuse to drag her out of her car. Let's call it "getting aggressive."

When they realized that the incident was video-taped, in light of recent exposure of similar behavior against black motorists in other cities, they had to find a way to shut her up before the thing spiraled out of control. Either she was strangled or suffocated in prison, or she died of the untreated head injury caused her rough handling. They then decided to make it look like a suicide. Since there is no live-feed inside the actual cells, no one would ever know.

Do you think this kind of thing never happens, even in the South, especially Texas which has never had a problem with small town racism? Don't be naive.


There is a florida case and I cant remember the name just now, but false arrest pays very well, 68,000 per minute, which is why I said virtually the same thing this guy said.

Encina had no reason to arrest her, then violated her due process rights and that alone is worth a few juicy million. Does not take a cray super computer to know what that would do to a cities budget.

This is usually the case when nothing fits quite right with a maze of 'built in' unknowables.



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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/2/2015 10:32:36 PM   
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Stick with your own detective work RealOne. Yours is considerably better than this guy you are now quoting implausible assumptions from. Agencies concerned with their best interest, don't chase down "known civil rights activists". They stay out of the way for God sake.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/3/2015 7:08:05 PM   
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Gubmint Autopsy report

autopsy says 5' 8"
booking documents say 6t





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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/4/2015 8:08:25 AM   
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THIS is the way to go... besides the official results of the investigation this wrongful death suit may weigh the evidence and determine if negligence resulted in her death... Otherwise it gets rid of the murder accusations and goes to her rights and the incarceration facilities competence and accountability... As it should have from the beginning.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/4/2015 10:19:30 PM   
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well, I am not particularly thrilled with her attorneys briefing style. It gives me the impression he does not have a lot of experience getting to the specific core issues. I noted several occasions where he cites by implication rather than a direct allegation or reference. Usually that is less than the most successful approach when suing da gubmint. He still has time to amend his pleadings so I guess we just wait and see.


Sandra Blands family files lawsuit




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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/4/2015 10:29:14 PM   
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THIS is the way to go... besides the official results of the investigation this wrongful death suit may weigh the evidence and determine if negligence resulted in her death... Otherwise it gets rid of the murder accusations and goes to her rights and the incarceration facilities competence and accountability... As it should have from the beginning.

Butch



no it doesnt. discovery is just starting and ongoing, and the county was not forthcoming and cooperative about it thus far except to creat the public perception they were to prevent people from burning th eplace to the ground.

I dont see where anyone ruled murder out but the county and of course they would rule it out.

There are extremely serious questions that need be answered and proven, starting with how the hell does someone hang themself with gomer pyle in the cell right next to her who claims to be able to hear everything and does not hear a thing?

Did bland raise her knees up to her chest and hold them till she choked to death in complete silence? Who can choke while conscious without a struggle? This is not a case where you have a 6 foot rope and hands tied behind her back and unable to stop the event once it starts, this is a situation where [if true] she could have stopped it at any point in time.

Since she openly expressed her hand and intentions to sue, if they felt or knew she had a valid case which could run into the millions there is plenty of motive for the department to take her out if they felt they could get away with it and sweep it under the table.

So I need to hear how this is accomplished under the radar of the jailors?

Got a convincing or believable argument?




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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/8/2015 9:09:54 AM   
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Murder is ruled out BECAUSE there is no evidence to support it except in your mind. The county has been forthcoming and released all information they have...even to the point of inner department videos, testimony of her fellow inmates, and autopsy results. They have opened themselves to investigations by a third party allowing access to all involved... What the hell else do you want them to do?

Butch

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/8/2015 7:13:38 PM   
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Murder is ruled out BECAUSE there is no evidence is not true.

That is a complete fallacy.

This is the way it works:

absence of evidence is not absence of murder.

Therefore does not prove a murder did not occur, so if that is a fact, that there is not evidence it only proves that murder cannot be proven due to lack of evidence. She could easily have been murdered.

drug her food, hold her up. simple as that. Not so much as a sound, and no evidence. Plenty of reason to treat it as a murder investigation.

Meanwhile there are plenty of inconsistencies that have no believable answers at this time. It especially irks me that these cams have no time stamp which would allow them to edit anything they want, even make up scenes and insert them.

These public offices should have every square inch on cam and up on a cloud servers open to the public so we can keep a 24 hour eye on our servants and in every gubmint office.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/8/2015 7:33:15 PM   
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absence of evidence is not absence of murder.


I would say until there is evidence you should not make accusations of murder... it makes you look prejudiced, irresponsible, and you lose all credibility.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/9/2015 5:56:44 AM   
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Woman raving like a lunatic at an officer making a stop for a moving violation gets arrested for raving like a lunatic.
Later found hanging in her cell.

Officers guilty of improper care for letting a lunatic commit suicide on their watch.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/9/2015 7:38:31 AM   
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How quickly people forget:


Stopped by road nazi who takes her off cam and makes shit up for the recording while violating every due process right known to man and some people expect bland to say yessa massa, thanks ya massa, please violate me some mo massa? For real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Sa8tY89eI


and a racist brutal sheriff





nah nothing to be concerned with here, just business as usual!


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absence of evidence is not absence of murder.


I would say until there is evidence you should not make accusations of murder... it makes you look prejudiced, irresponsible, and you lose all credibility.

Butch


the investigation is not over yet

"Murder is ruled out"

seems I will have plenty of company.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/9/2015 10:39:27 AM   
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It seems MercTech that lunatics are everywhere...they certainly are represented in this thread....

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/9/2015 11:21:54 AM   
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Really... the part that was on camera was belligerent raving and refusal to follow a patrol officer's instructions.

When you disagree with an official; you don't try to argue with the grunt worker but take it up with his boss's boss once things are stable.

Anyway, I doubt the patrol officer that performed the arrest will even get a reprimand.

But, the officer's in the jail will be culpable of neglect. Once a person is arrested; that established a "special relationship" under the law. That is the point at which law enforcement is required to protect the individual. Until arrested or incarcerated; the police have absolutely no legal requirement to protect the individual. The way it was put to me when I pulled bailiff duty was "If the idiot gets a paper cut; it is your fault. f he throws a tantrum being put into the wagon and bumps his head; it is your fault. When a person is in custody; all responsibility for the health and well being of the person in custody is in the hands of those guarding him." The parent's lawsuit will probably get a cash award due to the "negligent homicide" on the part of the jail custodians.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/9/2015 11:30:53 AM   
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I agree.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/9/2015 11:56:06 AM   
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Hmm, looking at some details on the film.

Officer is talking to her and politely asks her to put her cigarette out.
Sandra "I don't have to put my cigarette out. I'm in MY car."
Officer: "Please step out of your car"

That set off the raving on Sandra's part. Three times I see the officer trying to get her to move back in front of the dash camera and she keeps stomping off to camera right.

The more I find out about this the more I think "tantrums get you arrested".

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/9/2015 7:26:55 PM   
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You are cherry picking and leaving out several points that have already been stated so there is no need to bring them up again.

The most important part of the stop is:

The stop was over, done, finished.

encina handed her the warning ticket to sign, she reached out to do so as she stated later. you can see that on the video. the legal traffic stop terminated at that point.

Everything thereafter was a violation of her rights. Now had she told him ot take his ticket and stick it up his ass, that would be a different story where according to texas law he would have authority to arrest her and take her immediately before a magistrate for a hearing.

why dont you 2 quote some law for a change instead of spin?

According to the methods I see being posted we should just simplify matters and get rid of the first 10 amendments and simply state "We the citizen slaves have the right to do whatever the road nazi officer says".



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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/10/2015 4:43:27 AM   
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SLight derail...
This happened back in 2013
http://damn.com/femaletrooper/
in texas.
news ...on the subject.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/troopers-texas-probe-genitals-women-traffic-stops-article-1.1414668

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Texas officials say the searches are unconstitutional. So do attorneys for the shaken women, who have filed federal lawsuits.

But lawyers and civil rights advocates tell the Daily News these cavity searches are really standard policy among the Texas Department of Public Safety’s state troopers, despite their illegality — not to mention that they were conducted on the side of the road in full view of passing motorists.

“It’s ridiculous,” said Dallas attorney Peter Schulte, a former Texas cop and prosecutor. “We would never put our hands anywhere near someone’s private parts,” he said of his time as a police officer in the city of McKinney. “When I saw that video I was shocked. I was a law enforcement officer for 16 years and I’ve never seen anything like it.”

Department of Public Safety Director Steven McCraw, who oversees state troopers, denied an interview request from The News. In an earlier statements about the videotaped traffic stops, McCraw said his department “does not and will not tolerate any conduct that violates the U.S. and Texas constitutions, or DPS training or policy.”

So how did Texas troopers hundreds of miles apart get captured on dash cams conducting body cavity searches under nearly identical conditions?

“The fact that they both happened means there is some sort of (department) policy” advocating their use at traffic stops, Jim Harrington of the Texas Civil Rights Project told the Daily News. “It’s such a prohibited practice. I don’t know why they think they can do this. It’s mind-boggling.”





The reason Im bringing this up ...
Do you think ANY woman (or man) should be made to stand and be put thru this?? apart from the indignity, loss of privacy, violation, public probing of your genitals without being arrested.
How many of you would have put up a fight? done it with out complaint???
No matter WHAT you have done, you shouldnt be sexually assaulted by ANYONE. on a public roadside? Finger in ass THEN Pussy with the same gloves WTF? ugh.
And people wonder why people get "belligerent" and mouthy...you forgot the word "uppity"

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/10/2015 8:29:18 AM   
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Do you think ANY woman (or man) should be made to stand and be put thru this??


Maybe...but not without reason and not on the roadside where passersby could see under any circumstance.

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