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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/28/2015 9:46:58 PM   
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Cases like this is how I know we don't have "activist judges".

Not even the Notorious RBG can't take action on a case until it has gone through the legal channels.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/28/2015 10:34:40 PM   
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Nice to see evidence coming out.

I could argue that her face was blocked out during the booking and not prior to the booking but the physique and mannerisms appear to be her so I wont, and will accept she was booked in a jump suit. Thats what Im talkin bout! Good find.

Amazing what a wonderful response when the public becomes concerned with the actions of their public servants. There may be hope for this country yet.

Ok...so....as far as I am concerned we disposed of that one, so now for the next matter;

Taking note of the autopsy report upper left pic, the marks are just slightly above her shoulder compared to other slip knot hanging where they are under the ear generally.

They did claim she was found 'hanging' in her cell.

Well I have problems with that.

Here is the autopsy take note of the neck line:



see that? Noose marks, low and right by the shoulder.


Now she used a slip knot not a hangmans mans knot:




under the chin, not just off the top of the shoulder.


Odd, very odd. I see marks consistent with strangulation.



Oh and since people are playing games out here with the evidence, I got this from one of the news feeds, damned if I can remember which one so someone wants to double check and see if we can find more copies of the same to insure this has not been tampered with I'd appreciate it.







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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/28/2015 10:57:32 PM   
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This shows me that the county officials have a genuine need to cover their own asses and distance themselves as much as possible from any wrong doing.

There is still no word on where the marijuana came from that was in here system for the autopsy, which seems important to me.

And the cop that set these dominos to fall is still gainfully employed. That needs to change, immediately.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/29/2015 3:08:29 AM   
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I will concede to the extent that they are both modified, I already explained it verbally and I would have make a movie clip as the method is dynamic not static and I am not willing to go through that much trouble over something I stated a disclaimer in the very beginning. sry.

What ever floats your boat.

Oh btw they dont put people in a orange jump suits before intake either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNn2OAZUROY

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Wow, she moves around really well for a women who RO claims is already dead. Must have been all the pot the cops forced her to eat. But to give the guy a little credit, it's possible that all the times he has been arrested they took his pic first and he just assumes they all do things the same way. Although I have to admit I am at a loss as to why he thinks they forced her to eat pot?

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/29/2015 7:38:49 PM   
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I will concede to the extent that they are both modified, I already explained it verbally and I would have make a movie clip as the method is dynamic not static and I am not willing to go through that much trouble over something I stated a disclaimer in the very beginning. sry.

What ever floats your boat.

Oh btw they dont put people in a orange jump suits before intake either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNn2OAZUROY

K.



Wow, she moves around really well for a women who RO claims is already dead. Must have been all the pot the cops forced her to eat. But to give the guy a little credit, it's possible that all the times he has been arrested they took his pic first and he just assumes they all do things the same way. Although I have to admit I am at a loss as to why he thinks they forced her to eat pot?



First, discussions flow much smoother when people do not make strawman or false claims about other posters posts. No, RO did not claim she was dead.

Second thc, cannabinoids can be mixed with food and ingested like any other type of mickey.

Third attacking me personally by use of such fabrications: "But to give the guy a little credit, it's possible that all the times he has been arrested they took his pic first and he just assumes they all do things the same way." falls under libel and crosses the line, is it your objective to get sued?




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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/29/2015 7:47:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNn2OAZUROY

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This shows me that the county officials have a genuine need to cover their own asses and distance themselves as much as possible from any wrong doing.

There is still no word on where the marijuana came from that was in here system for the autopsy, which seems important to me.

And the cop that set these dominos to fall is still gainfully employed. That needs to change, immediately.



Agreed.

On Monday, police in Mount Vernon, New York, found Raynetta Turner dead in her holding cell. According to Mayor Ernest Davis, Turner, who was 44, had been arrested for shoplifting on Saturday.

A day after Bland’s death, 18-year-old Kindra Chapman, who was arrested for stealing a cell phone, was found dead in a holding cell in Homewood, Alabama.

Last week, Joyce Curnell was found dead in a cell at the Charleston County Detention Center a day after she was booked for an outstanding bench warrant on shoplifting charges. According to Sheriff Major Eric Watson, Curnell, who was 50, had been to a local hospital for an apparent medical issue prior to her booking.

This past Sunday, Ralkina Jones, 37, was found dead in the Cleveland Heights City Jail.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/5-black-women-have-died-in-jail-this-month.html


Its a nationwide problem and in addition demonstrates how police escalate situations and falsify what goes on to the recordings. First by telling her to step out of view of the camera. (the part where he told her to stop moving and she screamed back that she was doing what he told her to do) That is SOP to help get convictions using falsified events on the voice recording as their proof that she was struggling despite he may have also been wrenching her in come manner and sadly municipal judges accept despite its made up or exaggerated.

This incident has huge legal implications both from a jailing standpoint and everything from officer discretion on traffic stop to due process rights

Waller Cty was looking at a huge suit based on the officers failure to afford due process and now multimillion dollar suit resulting from her death while in custody.








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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/30/2015 4:16:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I will concede to the extent that they are both modified, I already explained it verbally and I would have make a movie clip as the method is dynamic not static and I am not willing to go through that much trouble over something I stated a disclaimer in the very beginning. sry.

What ever floats your boat.

Oh btw they dont put people in a orange jump suits before intake either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNn2OAZUROY

K.



Wow, she moves around really well for a women who RO claims is already dead. Must have been all the pot the cops forced her to eat. But to give the guy a little credit, it's possible that all the times he has been arrested they took his pic first and he just assumes they all do things the same way. Although I have to admit I am at a loss as to why he thinks they forced her to eat pot?



First, discussions flow much smoother when people do not make strawman or false claims about other posters posts. No, RO did not claim she was dead.

Second thc, cannabinoids can be mixed with food and ingested like any other type of mickey.

Third attacking me personally by use of such fabrications: "But to give the guy a little credit, it's possible that all the times he has been arrested they took his pic first and he just assumes they all do things the same way." falls under libel and crosses the line, is it your objective to get sued?






You first line in post 103 stated "Sandra Bland was not alive in her mugshot " now I suppose you can claim you didn't say she was dead, you said she was not alive but they sure sound the same to me.

On to second, please tell me what possible reason the cops would have for force feeding someone pot?

As to the third, you are the one who keeps claiming you have intimate knowledge of how all the jails work in the country. The only way you could know would be to spend some time in each of them which leads me to believe you have experience in that area. If you don't perhaps you should quit trying to prove to everyone what and expert you are.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/30/2015 1:08:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I will concede to the extent that they are both modified, I already explained it verbally and I would have make a movie clip as the method is dynamic not static and I am not willing to go through that much trouble over something I stated a disclaimer in the very beginning. sry.

What ever floats your boat.

Oh btw they dont put people in a orange jump suits before intake either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNn2OAZUROY

K.



Wow, she moves around really well for a women who RO claims is already dead. Must have been all the pot the cops forced her to eat. But to give the guy a little credit, it's possible that all the times he has been arrested they took his pic first and he just assumes they all do things the same way. Although I have to admit I am at a loss as to why he thinks they forced her to eat pot?



First, discussions flow much smoother when people do not make strawman or false claims about other posters posts. No, RO did not claim she was dead.

Second thc, cannabinoids can be mixed with food and ingested like any other type of mickey.

Third attacking me personally by use of such fabrications: "But to give the guy a little credit, it's possible that all the times he has been arrested they took his pic first and he just assumes they all do things the same way." falls under libel and crosses the line, is it your objective to get sued?






You first line in post 103 stated "Sandra Bland was not alive in her mugshot " now I suppose you can claim you didn't say she was dead, you said she was not alive but they sure sound the same to me.

On to second, please tell me what possible reason the cops would have for force feeding someone pot?

As to the third, you are the one who keeps claiming you have intimate knowledge of how all the jails work in the country. The only way you could know would be to spend some time in each of them which leads me to believe you have experience in that area. If you don't perhaps you should quit trying to prove to everyone what and expert you are.



Try reading for comprehension, I never stated any such thing, this point has been discussed, conclusions made and put to bed. I see no reason to rehash it. Again reread the thread for comprehension.

for second already answered. refer to posts made within the thread.

for third. as I said libel is a bonafide cause of action therefore you should refrain from engaging in such acts.


So what is your point? Is it too difficult to understand these are REASONABLE conclusions void evidence to the contrary: [SEE BELOW]

quote:


Agreed.

On Monday, police in Mount Vernon, New York, found Raynetta Turner dead in her holding cell. According to Mayor Ernest Davis, Turner, who was 44, had been arrested for shoplifting on Saturday.

A day after Bland’s death, 18-year-old Kindra Chapman, who was arrested for stealing a cell phone, was found dead in a holding cell in Homewood, Alabama.

Last week, Joyce Curnell was found dead in a cell at the Charleston County Detention Center a day after she was booked for an outstanding bench warrant on shoplifting charges. According to Sheriff Major Eric Watson, Curnell, who was 50, had been to a local hospital for an apparent medical issue prior to her booking.

This past Sunday, Ralkina Jones, 37, was found dead in the Cleveland Heights City Jail.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/5-black-women-have-died-in-jail-this-month.html


Its a nationwide problem and in addition demonstrates how police escalate situations and falsify what goes on to the recordings. First by telling her to step out of view of the camera. (the part where he told her to stop moving and she screamed back that she was doing what he told her to do) That is SOP to help get convictions using falsified events on the voice recording as their proof that she was struggling despite he may have also been wrenching her in come manner and sadly municipal judges accept despite its made up or exaggerated.

This incident has huge legal implications both from a jailing standpoint and everything from officer discretion on traffic stop to due process rights

Waller Cty was looking at a huge suit based on the officers failure to afford due process and now multimillion dollar suit resulting from her death while in custody.




that the foregone conclusions are appropriate since 5 black women have died in custody in the last month alone due to the MIStreatment or systemic negligence by police.

Are you remotely conscious of these facts and do you seek justice for these people?

Coming in here johnny come lately after those matters have been discussed, concluded, and put to bed serves no purpose what so ever unless your goal is to attack me, is that it?

How about your opinion explaining the rope marks on her shoulder when she was supposedly hanging which all but under unusual circumstances causes rope marks under the ears.

OR are you going to sit back play it safe and criticize those for demanding accountability after the fact when the evidence is in?

I expect a response on the rope question.


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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/31/2015 4:37:58 AM   
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Try reading for comprehension, I never stated any such thing, this point has been discussed, conclusions made and put to bed. I see no reason to rehash it. Again reread the thread for comprehension.




Then this wasn't your post? funny it has your name on it.

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Though this doesn't prove anything, you may still find it interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTdohemd3v0



Transcript from the video you just posted


Sandra Bland was not alive in her mugshot

When you are arrested you are pictured m the clothes you are arrested in not in prison clothes

When they take your picture you are told not to tft your head or lean against the wall

There is a clear shadow with where her head touches the background most likely the floor

Her cell had tan walls and gray floors

Her head is on a gray [not not cement block] background

You can clearly see the gray floor in the first photo and in the right corner in the second photo

Her hair is falling towards the background

Gravity is puling her hair down because she is on the floor it is impossible to keep your shoulder straight like her right shoulder is while standng

It is likely that she was on the ground with her right arm outstretched when this picture was taken

When they take your picture, you are told to look directly at the camera

Her eyes are lifeless and unfocused

The police department claims she hung herself from a 5-foot platform when Sandra was around 6 feet tall

The photo of her cell has a trash can in it

Trash cans are not allowed m jail cells because they can not be bolted to the floor

Police claim the scene was not tampered with before the photo but the trash bag they claim she hung herself with has been replaced with a new one

Sandra told her sister on the phone that she thought her shoulder was broken

Someone with a broken shoulder can not lift their arm high enough to hang themselves

The dashcam footage from her arrest is clearly edited, as cars appear and disappear in the middle of the road

The officers knew they were wrong in arresting her

They knew she was going to take them to court

She was a strong-spirited activist

She did not go from being a fighter to being suicidal m a matter of days

The police fucking murdered her and their pathetic attempts at hiding it are not fooling anybody


I agree with who ever wrote the above.

Read my mind, once the sheriff seen that he said oh fuck and they murdered her.




And you still haven't explained why the cops would feed someone pot. You do know that just eating it will not get you high, right?

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/31/2015 7:09:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Try reading for comprehension, I never stated any such thing, this point has been discussed, conclusions made and put to bed. I see no reason to rehash it. Again reread the thread for comprehension.




Then this wasn't your post? funny it has your name on it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

Though this doesn't prove anything, you may still find it interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTdohemd3v0



Transcript from the video you just posted


Sandra Bland was not alive in her mugshot

When you are arrested you are pictured m the clothes you are arrested in not in prison clothes

When they take your picture you are told not to tft your head or lean against the wall

There is a clear shadow with where her head touches the background most likely the floor

Her cell had tan walls and gray floors

Her head is on a gray [not not cement block] background

You can clearly see the gray floor in the first photo and in the right corner in the second photo

Her hair is falling towards the background

Gravity is puling her hair down because she is on the floor it is impossible to keep your shoulder straight like her right shoulder is while standng

It is likely that she was on the ground with her right arm outstretched when this picture was taken

When they take your picture, you are told to look directly at the camera

Her eyes are lifeless and unfocused

The police department claims she hung herself from a 5-foot platform when Sandra was around 6 feet tall

The photo of her cell has a trash can in it

Trash cans are not allowed m jail cells because they can not be bolted to the floor

Police claim the scene was not tampered with before the photo but the trash bag they claim she hung herself with has been replaced with a new one

Sandra told her sister on the phone that she thought her shoulder was broken

Someone with a broken shoulder can not lift their arm high enough to hang themselves

The dashcam footage from her arrest is clearly edited, as cars appear and disappear in the middle of the road

The officers knew they were wrong in arresting her

They knew she was going to take them to court

She was a strong-spirited activist

She did not go from being a fighter to being suicidal m a matter of days

The police fucking murdered her and their pathetic attempts at hiding it are not fooling anybody


I agree with who ever wrote the above.

Read my mind, once the sheriff seen that he said oh fuck and they murdered her.




And you still haven't explained why the cops would feed someone pot. You do know that just eating it will not get you high, right?



Still having difficulty. You can see the color red right?

Hmm.... pot users will be disappointed to find out no tch gets in the bloodstream from eating pot. Do you have a bonafide citation for this or just making yet more crap up?

Explained here

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/31/2015 12:39:35 PM   
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Try reading for comprehension, I never stated any such thing, this point has been discussed, conclusions made and put to bed. I see no reason to rehash it. Again reread the thread for comprehension.




Then this wasn't your post? funny it has your name on it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

Though this doesn't prove anything, you may still find it interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTdohemd3v0



Transcript from the video you just posted


Sandra Bland was not alive in her mugshot

When you are arrested you are pictured m the clothes you are arrested in not in prison clothes

When they take your picture you are told not to tft your head or lean against the wall

There is a clear shadow with where her head touches the background most likely the floor

Her cell had tan walls and gray floors

Her head is on a gray [not not cement block] background

You can clearly see the gray floor in the first photo and in the right corner in the second photo

Her hair is falling towards the background

Gravity is puling her hair down because she is on the floor it is impossible to keep your shoulder straight like her right shoulder is while standng

It is likely that she was on the ground with her right arm outstretched when this picture was taken

When they take your picture, you are told to look directly at the camera

Her eyes are lifeless and unfocused

The police department claims she hung herself from a 5-foot platform when Sandra was around 6 feet tall

The photo of her cell has a trash can in it

Trash cans are not allowed m jail cells because they can not be bolted to the floor

Police claim the scene was not tampered with before the photo but the trash bag they claim she hung herself with has been replaced with a new one

Sandra told her sister on the phone that she thought her shoulder was broken

Someone with a broken shoulder can not lift their arm high enough to hang themselves

The dashcam footage from her arrest is clearly edited, as cars appear and disappear in the middle of the road

The officers knew they were wrong in arresting her

They knew she was going to take them to court

She was a strong-spirited activist

She did not go from being a fighter to being suicidal m a matter of days

The police fucking murdered her and their pathetic attempts at hiding it are not fooling anybody


I agree with who ever wrote the above.

Read my mind, once the sheriff seen that he said oh fuck and they murdered her.




And you still haven't explained why the cops would feed someone pot. You do know that just eating it will not get you high, right?



Still having difficulty. You can see the color red right?

Hmm.... pot users will be disappointed to find out no tch gets in the bloodstream from eating pot. Do you have a bonafide citation for this or just making yet more crap up?

Explained here


Due to past experience with your posting methods I am going to have to ask for the time stamp that they explain why the cops would feed her pot.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/31/2015 2:24:23 PM   
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You dummy... they killed her then made her eat pot to cover it up... oh wait... they knew they were going to kill her...will because they were bored and just felt like doing it...and made her eat pot before they dispatched her...don't you know anything... They had to render her unconscious so they could strangle her with a plastic bag to make it LOOK like suicide. Then they all got together and gave the prisoner in the adjacent cell their Christmas party fund so he would say he heard no struggle.... Then they dressed her in a orange jump suit and took her picture... just to fool everyone into thinking she was still alive...but damn if they forgot to delete the picture with dead eyes and put it on the net for all to see... Then they altered it in Photoshop to make her look alive and confuse everyone... damn they are sly. But best of all the reason they killed her is because she was part of the FBI's plot to blow up the World Trade Center and she was going to go public.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/31/2015 2:46:10 PM   
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It can't be ruled out that she ingested it willingly during her traffic stop, to get rid of evidence. But that would only make sense if she somehow knew she'd be arrested, or that the car would be searched.

The cop didn't report any signs of drugs or paraphernalia in the car, which of course was searched before being released to the towing company.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/31/2015 5:02:10 PM   
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None of it makes sense before a thorough investigation. Wild speculation and accusations, as we have seen from some here, are asinine and inflammatory. It serves no good purpose but to possibly disparage hard working honest Americans with a tough job.

Some things about this incident do seem off and most certainly deserve an investigation outside of the arresting authority and the evidence found should be made public.

If the investigation does turn up murder or a conspiracy to cover up incompetence leading to her death then I hope they prosecute to the full extent of the law. Until then they are innocent until proven otherwise.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 7/31/2015 6:40:23 PM   
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My brother is a Lt in the town I live in and has been a cop for 25 years. He told me, as a woman, If I was pulled over, to lock my door, crack the window and push my information out the window. The cop can demand you leave your car, but you have the right to place your hands on your head and request the Sergeant or another Cop to stand by, before you leave it. He said too many sexual assault cases are happening and this protects women. Shut your mouth and request, calmly, and sit still until another officer is standing by. In fact, in my city they now go in pairs, and with body cams so you can see what is happening.

I guess all bets are off if you are DWB as obviously happened in this case.

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I have an absolutely clean record... never even a speeding ticket in my life... The only blemish is a bad muffler ticket and a parking ticket when i was a kid.... Yet I was pulled over at night for a tail light out and was asked to get out of the car by a Missouri state trooper... I did it even though i was not happy about it.

Now when her record was checked...which he did... she was combative and refused to follow a valid order... I don't think it unreasonable for the incident to escalate to an arrest.

I am not trying to say the officer was right...but I am saying he was within his rights under the circumstances. She should have followed his valid orders and if she had perhaps there would have been a different outcome. Otherwise as usual there is fault all around and this is often the case with these situations become public.,

Butch


So everyone should simply bend over and take it, is that it?

"Now when her record was checked...which he did... she was combative and refused to follow a valid order... I don't think it unreasonable for the incident to escalate to an arrest.

I am not trying to say the officer was right...but I am saying he was within his rights under the circumstances.
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when her record is checked is completely nonsequitor and has no connection to combative, why are you trying to tie the two together? Neither did she assault the officer on any of the cam footage, hence the use of combative is yet another dramatic and inappropriate term, since it was clearly the officer that was combative after being all butt hurt when she did not respond properly with 'yessa massa sir'.

Do you have a case that demonstrates she was given a 'valid order', mimms doesnt work as scotus explained in knowles. It appears to me she knew the law.

When procedural 'due process' is not followed it is in fact unreasonable as far as a court is concerned, on what do you base your conclusion?

Law enforcement does not exercise 'rights' in its duty, it only has authority. Rights are another matter entirely and does not apply in the context you are using it.



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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/1/2015 11:39:26 AM   
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So everyone should simply bend over and take it, is that it?


Yes until there is evidence to support your accusations... right now there is none...No proof or reason, all official releases have supported exactly what the police have said.

As I said before there are two sides to this story... the arrest which much is known and certainly open to semi-informed opinion...and her death. Her death is being investigated by one than one authority and all the speculation, with NO FACTS to base it on, is irresponsible at best. The usual bullshit that is most often completely wrong and based on personal prejudices.

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/1/2015 1:49:35 PM   
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So everyone should simply bend over and take it, is that it?


Yes until there is evidence to support your accusations... right now there is none...No proof or reason, all official releases have supported exactly what the police have said.

As I said before there are two sides to this story... the arrest which much is known and certainly open to semi-informed opinion...and her death. Her death is being investigated by one than one authority and all the speculation, with NO FACTS to base it on, is irresponsible at best. The usual bullshit that is most often completely wrong and based on personal prejudices.

Butch



Semi informed opinion? Are you implying that we did not get all the facts on the arrest. I guess you would be right in that respect since the officer took her off camera where she was screaming in pain.

No proof? You dont get 'proof' until after trial, and court review of the evidence and facts, and then......and then all to often the proof is not necessarily 'truth'.

All I see here is a claim that your speculation of 'no' or unlikely foul play is somehow mysteriously more correct then those who despite your condemnation are imnsho rightfully 'suspicious' and well within reason to derive such conclusions since 5 black women were found dead in their cells in the last month alone.

Why anyone would choose to gloss over those facts when citizens for all intents and purposes believed guilty until proven innocent while simultaneously holding that cops are innocent until proven guilty? Cops having large organizational assistance and deep pockets while citizens get a public defender who could give a shit about them because he would rather be out golfing.

So the thing to do is read the below quotes that explains how many black women died in holding cells last month and then explain to me why any person of good conscience wouldnt be 'highly' suspicious of law enforcement after knowing the sheriff in this case was fired in 08 for being a racist, and seeing the way the cop treated this gal, and all the unarmed black kids getting blown away by dredd rambo cops?

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On Monday, police in Mount Vernon, New York, found Raynetta Turner dead in her holding cell. According to Mayor Ernest Davis, Turner, who was 44, had been arrested for shoplifting on Saturday.

A day after Bland’s death, 18-year-old Kindra Chapman, who was arrested for stealing a cell phone, was found dead in a holding cell in Homewood, Alabama.

Last week, Joyce Curnell was found dead in a cell at the Charleston County Detention Center a day after she was booked for an outstanding bench warrant on shoplifting charges. According to Sheriff Major Eric Watson, Curnell, who was 50, had been to a local hospital for an apparent medical issue prior to her booking.

This past Sunday, Ralkina Jones, 37, was found dead in the Cleveland Heights City Jail.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/5-black-women-have-died-in-jail-this-month.html




The irony here of course is that police abuse would not even have become an issue has people not accused the cop of abuse.

1) I'd really like to hear how you concluded this can be classified under ["Wild Imagination"] instead of reasonable suspicion?

and

2) I'd like to know how you think any of this will ever change doing it your way, everyone just sit around and wait for the wheels of government to sweep it all under the carpet and white wash it for public consumption?




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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/2/2015 12:36:50 AM   
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I haven't read the whole thread so I don't know if it's been mentioned or not.

http://thegrio.com/2015/05/12/fbi-white-supremacists-law-enforcement/

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RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. - 8/2/2015 8:09:20 PM   
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Due to past experience with your posting methods I am going to have to ask for the time stamp that they explain why the cops would feed her pot.



oh? past posting experience? Are you implying some kind of impropriety?

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