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kdsub -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/24/2015 8:09:12 PM)
It seems to me that the video started in the middle... We did not hear what was said at the beginning of the conversation. Something had to be said for the officer to say you seem irritated. It could make a difference in our perception. If there were no previous conversation and he just walked up to the car saying you look irritated that to me seems to not make sense. From what we did see and hear I would say the officer handled the confrontation poorly...and the driver should have shut up and got out of the car... then report the cop because she certainly would have had a case. Butch

Real0ne -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/24/2015 10:29:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech LOL... finally had time to watch that dash cam video all the way through. Belligerent running the mouth and refusal to comply with queries. Frankly, the first impression is that the woman was tweaking. No matter what color or where you are stopped ranting at a police officer will bring you nothing but trouble. The video sounds as if she were daring the officer to arrest her right from the beginning. Now, at the jail, there is a huge problem there. The ONLY time a police officer is required by law to ensure the safety of an individual is when they are in custody. After arrest, the term "special relationship" becomes relevant in law. There is even a class on how to put people into and out of a vehicle while they are in handcuffs as the arrested person can press charges if they bump their head while in custody. There was a huge fail if she was able to commit suicide while in custody. The cop sets the stage of/for the attitudes that will proceed, not the person being accosted. That poor gal was in total shock with the actions of that lunatic. No one need be a phd shrink to recognize that it really hit home when he reached into her car to pull her out. Its the cop whos job it is to diffuse the situation by being non-reactant, in suppressing any emotional outbursts HE may wish to make, by not reacting to her to conduct emotionally but in the capacity of official business of the state not to demand she remains calm and cool while her rights are being violated. People are not robots and they naturally tend to get pissed and a little emotional if their rights are violated. These road nazi thugs think people should kiss their asses while they violate them. thank ya massa may I have another? That moron gave her no clue she was about to be arrested, simply told her to put out a cigarette. So why not add "make me a burger and fries" Using the logic the officer gave her a 'lawful' order that too would be a lawful order would it not? Oh dont forget to pour me a coke. Had the officer said I need you to step out of the car so please put out your cigarette now we have a completely different set of circumstances that does constitute a lawful order. She started recording him on her cell phone, that and her negative tone of voice which is completely irrelevant to HIS DUTY to administer DUE PROCESS in which he lost it and violated several due process rights. Hell the department even admitted that he did not follow procedure, and procedure is based on due process! Why? Because its all thrown out otherwise. This is a glaring example of rather than diffusing the situation these thugs purposely escalate a traffic stop to generate additional revenue for the municipalities.

Real0ne -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/24/2015 11:15:53 PM)
its like the reverend from her church said "Its not ISIS we are afraid of its the police"!

dcnovice -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/25/2015 6:10:56 AM)
FR Interesting read: http://tpr.org/post/10-things-about-sandra-bland-traffic-stop-every-texan-should-know

tweakabelle -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/25/2015 10:15:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I wish there were a statistic that correlated being a smart mouth to a cop and arrest. I'll bet this would indicate the lip is more of a determine factor than race Butch There may well be such a statistic somewhere. And I am prepared to hazard a guess that there's a strong co-relation. But surely the critical thing to take from this is that cops are arresting people for no better reason than their refusal to kowtow to their arbitrary and possible illegal 'authority'. Having said that I am prepared to hazard another guess that the co-relation between arrests stats for 'smart mouthed' members of minority groups far exceed their per capita percentage of the population. So there are two issues here, neither of them palatable.

Zonie63 -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/25/2015 11:10:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub It seems to me that the video started in the middle... We did not hear what was said at the beginning of the conversation. Something had to be said for the officer to say you seem irritated. It could make a difference in our perception. If there were no previous conversation and he just walked up to the car saying you look irritated that to me seems to not make sense. From what we did see and hear I would say the officer handled the confrontation poorly...and the driver should have shut up and got out of the car... then report the cop because she certainly would have had a case. Butch Pretty much, that's the reality that most people have to face when dealing with cops. No matter how much of an asshole a cop chooses to be, most people will tend to bite their tongue and put up with it - since the consequences of resistance can be far more severe. That's pretty much how I was taught. But what I find interesting is that cops will usually go into asshole mode when they're in they're in situations where they think they can get away with it, whether it's the average citizen cowed into compliance or those whom they might see as weaker and more vulnerable to manipulation and intimidation. When they're dealing with bona fide, violent, armed-and-dangerous criminals, then they don't screw around with silly mind games at all - they call out reinforcements and bring in SWAT.

kdsub -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/25/2015 12:01:20 PM)
tweak I will bet that African Americans are more likely to give a cop lip...and resist arrest. In each of the much publicized incidents we have discussed in threads of late invariably the suspect either gave lip or resisted arrest. The escalation resulting from resisting ended up disastrous. In most every case but one the officer was doing his mandated duty. Now for the reasons...There is distrust and lack of respect for police in many African American communities. Some is valid...most is not. The proliferation of crime and the inordinate amount of crime committed by blacks in relation to their numbers has police paying more attention to blacks thus the pull over numbers and searches... Is this right ...NO... but it is understandable and even responsible to some extent. What has to happen is police must build trust and administer the law fairly. African Americans must start taking responsibility for the crime in their neighborhoods... By responsibility I mean reporting crime and assisting police in their investigations. They must get control of their children and keep them off the streets and out of gangs... Not easy but necessary or this will just go on. Butch

Real0ne -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/25/2015 4:01:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR Interesting read: http://tpr.org/post/10-things-about-sandra-bland-traffic-stop-every-texan-should-know Nice! Harrington: She’s right. Unfortunately, officers don’t like it when you know the law. In this case, even if you are right, you are still in danger. And that’s what we see unfolding here. ~Jim Harrington, director of the Texas Civil Rights Project. https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/215887195/download?secret_token=&client_id=0f8fdbbaa21a9bd18210986a7dc2d72c

Marini -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/25/2015 8:21:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub tweak I will bet that African Americans are more likely to give a cop lip...and resist arrest. In each of the much publicized incidents we have discussed in threads of late invariably the suspect either gave lip or resisted arrest. The escalation resulting from resisting ended up disastrous. In most every case but one the officer was doing his mandated duty. Now for the reasons...There is distrust and lack of respect for police in many African American communities. Some is valid...most is not. The proliferation of crime and the inordinate amount of crime committed by blacks in relation to their numbers has police paying more attention to blacks thus the pull over numbers and searches... Is this right ...NO... but it is understandable and even responsible to some extent. What has to happen is police must build trust and administer the law fairly. African Americans must start taking responsibility for the crime in their neighborhoods... By responsibility I mean reporting crime and assisting police in their investigations. They must get control of their children and keep them off the streets and out of gangs... Not easy but necessary or this will just go on. Butch This is a typical comment coming from you. I will not even dignify this racist remark with a reply.

Marini -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/25/2015 8:42:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I wish there were a statistic that correlated being a smart mouth to a cop and arrest. I'll bet this would indicate the lip is more of a determine factor than race Butch There may well be such a statistic somewhere. And I am prepared to hazard a guess that there's a strong co-relation. But surely the critical thing to take from this is that cops are arresting people for no better reason than their refusal to kowtow to their arbitrary and possible illegal 'authority'. Having said that I am prepared to hazard another guess that the co-relation between arrests stats for 'smart mouthed' members of minority groups far exceed their per capita percentage of the population. So there are two issues here, neither of them palatable. Great point Ms.tweaky! [sm=applause.gif]

kdsub -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/25/2015 9:01:02 PM)
I would rather you engage me and straighten me out where you think I am wrong... You always talk about frank honest dialog... But when you hear it, especially when evidence supports it, you just call people racists and ignore facts. Butch

Kirata -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/25/2015 9:24:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I will bet that African Americans are more likely to give a cop lip...and resist arrest. I will not even dignify this racist remark with a reply. Most of the research carried out in this tradition... consistently demonstrates that ATP [attitude toward police] among African Americans is substantially less positive than that of whites. ~Source The reasons have less to do with race per se than with the predominant attitudes communicated and shared in the social environments in which the people live, regardless of whether they are black or white, and the result is the same in either case: Examining how demeanor affects police behavior, scholars have generally found that a citizen's disrespectful or hostile manner increases the likelihood of his or her arrest. ~Source K.

Real0ne -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/25/2015 9:26:53 PM)
"The escalation resulting from resisting ended up disastrous. In most every case but one the officer was doing his mandated duty." but Butch, do you believe that road nazi who violated literally every right she had was mandated to do so? I would argue that the escalation resulted from her being in shock when finding herself face to face with a madman. ...and I will add that she knew her rights and I mean [not the popular misconceptions] but right down to the letter of the law. Did you bother to read what Harrington said? Harrington: She’s right. Unfortunately, officers don’t like it when you know the law. In this case, even if you are right, you are still in danger. And that’s what we see unfolding here. ~Jim Harrington, director of the Texas Civil Rights Project. Is that the way you are supposed to feel around an officer of the law when you point out your rights that he was sworn to PROTECT? How do you explain this gross violation of duty? What possible reason would she have had to obey a barking lunatic that didnt bother to tell her first that she was under arrest then failed to tell her why she was under arrest and threatened her with what many times turns out to be a deadly weapon? Do you feel the officer was justified? I'd be very interested in knowing wwhere you find room on any level for apologetics [regarding the officer] in this case.

Kirata -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/25/2015 9:48:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Do you feel the officer was justified? Aw c'mon, this shit isn't rocket science. The shoulder of a roadway is not the venue for deciding whether an officer's actions are "justified," and that decision is not up to you in the first place. For further assistance, see here. K.

Real0ne -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/25/2015 10:46:52 PM)
Ohio County Butt Hurt Deputies Eddie was a sherrif and even he gets beat up by nazis 3 short excellent and informative clips. [;)]

MercTech -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/26/2015 5:32:39 AM)
The police officer crossed a line. But, that woman's insane sounding rant reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR465HoCWFQ

Real0ne -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/26/2015 8:07:12 AM)
Her emotional state is completely IRRELEVANT There are only 3 justifiable reasons that cop could go into the car after her. DUI, DRUGS, ENDANGERING THE COPS SAFETY. It happened in Texas, Eddie Craig is from Texas, an X-deputy sheriff and he teaches Texas traffic law and how to prevent the thugs from setting people up and how to reverse it on them, set them up for a multimillion federal suit. That thug violated every right reserved in the constitution that can be violated. The above link Eddie even teaches you how to properly read and understand a statute. quote: Leaders at DuPage remembered Ms. Bland as a smart, outspoken woman who once sang in the youth choir and had participated in the church’s Girl Scout troop. After graduating from college, she returned here, serving on church committees, befriending older members of the congregation and earning a reputation as a prolific taker of selfie photos. The Rev. Theresa Dear, an associate minister at DuPage A.M.E. who knew Ms. Bland since she started attending the church as a young girl, said the official account of the death conflicted with her own memories of an ambitious, educated Christian who was excited about the future and who had helped organize the church’s recent Women�s Day event. Maybe you can find room to apologize for these revenue extorting road nazis but I cant. additionally, where are the pictures of her hanging from a plastic bag? Just because the injuries are consistent with a suicide does not mean it was 'not' a homocide.

subfever -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/26/2015 5:37:44 PM)
FR Not sure if this is really Anonymous or not, but I just found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0F-MhNLyDo

Marini -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/26/2015 8:22:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever FR Not sure if this is really Anonymous or not, but I just found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0F-MhNLyDo Thanks for posting this, I did "read" the written version of this video online, I did not know there was also a you tube video. I do think its hard for a woman almost 6 ft. tall to "hang" herself on that small partition, and no one heard it? I don't believe this was a suicide, and I will NEVER believe it---UNTIL I see the video surrveillance tape of who came in and out of her room, the hours preceding her death. Show me no-one came in, and I MIGHT believe it then!! Where are the howdy doody tapes of who came in her room PRIOR to the incident????? This video brings up point after point, and the group behind this video is on point! Why did she have on an orange jumpsuit?, "Who had the time to re-line the trashcan?, "smoked or injested marijuana in jail?" wtf point after point after point. 3 cheers for anonymous! Where the HELL are the surrveillance tapes?????

subfever -> RE: Sandra Bland / I will light you up. (7/26/2015 8:35:21 PM)
Though this doesn't prove anything, you may still find it interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTdohemd3v0

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