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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/14/2015 10:26:57 PM   
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I remember a few other issues that turned the public view on Iraq. Silly things like not finding WOMDs, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, finding out our government allows torture, and the fact that we had absolutely no plan on how to leave the country better than when we went in.

But it's our mess and we need to clean it up.


All used very heavily in the propaganda war

Very effectively too

ISIS (Al Qaeda) and Iran etc couldnt have done a better job had they done it alone, without American leftists backing them





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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/14/2015 10:35:11 PM   
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I remember a few other issues that turned the public view on Iraq. Silly things like not finding WOMDs, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, finding out our government allows torture, and the fact that we had absolutely no plan on how to leave the country better than when we went in.

But it's our mess and we need to clean it up.

Some of the WMDs showed up, ISIS used them on the Kurds.
They offered to let the prisoners at Abu Ghraib go to a Arab prison, they decided to stay.

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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/14/2015 10:36:15 PM   
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From The Washington Post:

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Leader of Islamic State used American hostage as sexual slave

The leader of the Islamic State personally kept a 26-year-old American woman as a hostage and raped her repeatedly, according to U.S. officials and her family.

The family of Kayla Mueller said in an interview Friday that the FBI had informed them that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the emir of the self-proclaimed Islamic State, had sexually abused their daughter, a humanitarian worker.

Mueller’s parents said the FBI first spoke to the family about the sexual assault in late June and provided more details two weeks ago. The bureau pieced together what happened to the American from interviews with other hostages and the captured wife of a senior Islamic State figure.

The FBI also told the Muellers that their daughter had been tortured.

“June was hard for me,” said Marsha Mueller, Kayla’s mother. “I was really upset with what I heard.”

The disclosure that Mueller was raped by Baghdadi adds to the grim evidence that the exploitation and abuse of women has been sanctioned at the highest levels of the Islamic State. The sexual enslavement of even teenage girls is seen as religiously endorsed by the group and regarded as a recruiting tool...

Full article here



Kayla Mueler

Seems like some day the ISIS issue would gain some traction


of course she was probably SOLD into slavery by AMERICAN companies, just like both world wars were started by wall street/american companies.

Um....so does that count?




Dyncorp and Halliburton Sex Slave Scandal Won't Go Away

Halliburton, Dyncorp lobbyists stall law banning human trafficking and sex slavery


Almost a year after Representative Cynthia McKinney was told by Donald Rumsfeld that it was not the policy of the Bush administration to reward companies that engage in human trafficking with government contracts, the scandal continues to sweep up innocent children who are sold into a life of slavery at the behest of Halliburton subsidiaries , Dyncorp and other transnational corporations with close ties to the establishment elite.

On March 11th 2005, McKinney grilled Secretary Rumsfeld and General Myers on the Dyncorp scandal.

"Mr. Secretary, I watched President Bush deliver a moving speech at the United Nations in September 2003, in which he mentioned the crisis of the sex trade. The President called for the punishment of those involved in this horrible business. But at the very moment of that speech, DynCorp was exposed for having been involved in the buying and selling of young women and children. While all of this was going on, DynCorp kept the Pentagon contract to administer the smallpox and anthrax vaccines, and is now working on a plague vaccine through the Joint Vaccine Acquisition Program. Mr. Secretary, is it [the] policy of the U.S. Government to reward companies that traffic in women and little girls?"

The response and McKinney's comeback was as follows.

Rumsfeld: "Thank you, Representative. First, the answer to your first question is, is, no, absolutely not, the policy of the United States Government is clear, unambiguous, and opposed to the activities that you described. The second question."

McKinney: "Well how do you explain the fact that DynCorp and its successor companies have received and continue to receive government contracts?"

Rumsfeld: "I would have to go and find the facts, but there are laws and rules and regulations with respect to government contracts, and there are times that corporations do things they should not do, in which case they tend to be suspended for some period; there are times then that the - under the laws and the rules and regulations for the - passed by the Congress and implemented by the Executive branch - that corporations can get off of - out of the penalty box if you will, and be permitted to engage in contracts with the government. They're generally not barred in perpetuity."

McKinney: "This contract - this company - was never in the penalty box."

Rumsfeld: "I'm advised by DR. Chu that it was not the corporation that was engaged in the activities you characterized but I'm told it was an employee of the corporation, and it was some years ago in the Balkans that that took place."

Watch the video here.

Rumsfeld's effort to shift the blame away from the hierarchy at Dyncorp and onto the Dyncorp employees was a blatant attempt to hide the fact that human trafficking and sex slavery is a practice condoned by companies like Dyncorp and Halliburton subsidiaries like KBR.

What else are we to assume in light of recent revelations cited in the Chicago Tribune that Halliburton subsidiary KBR and Dyncorp lobbyists are working in tandem with the Pentagon to stall legislation that would specifically ban trafficking in humans for forced labor and prostitution by U.S. contractors?

Three years has now elapsed since President Bush's promise to bring an end to this disgrace and the Pentagon is still yet to actually bar the practice.

And the employees themselves that are burned for blowing the whistle, like Kathryn Bolkovac who was sacked for reporting on Dyncorp officials who were involved in the Bosnian sex trade.

Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich is one of very few representatives in high office aside from Cynthia McKinney to demand answers on this issue.

U.S. stalls on human trafficking By Cam Simpson Washington Bureau

Sex Trafficking: Inside the Business of Modern Slavery By Siddharth Kara


Dirty Tricks, Inc.: The DynCorp-Government Connection by Uri Dowbenko

US Government Involvement in Child Sexual Slavery Organized White-Collar Crime is the absolute essence of Mega-Corporate-Government Business.


The American Government Is Funding Human Trafficking



Cynthia McKinney Grills Donald Rumsfeld - DynCorp











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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/14/2015 10:49:08 PM   
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I remember a few other issues that turned the public view on Iraq. Silly things like not finding WOMDs, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, finding out our government allows torture, and the fact that we had absolutely no plan on how to leave the country better than when we went in.

But it's our mess and we need to clean it up.


All used very heavily in the propaganda war

Very effectively too

ISIS couldnt have done a better job had they done it alone



You can say it was used in a propaganda war, but you can't refute any of it.

I'm the first to say Saddam was a bastard and had to be removed from power. I never really saw why it should be up to us, but who the fuck else was gonna do it?

But our intelligence going in was flawed. Our strategic planning and operations were flawed. Our troops were sent in without proper body armor. Our expectations were flawed. Our definition of victory was nowhere near as resolute as is necessary.

These mistakes cannot be repeated.

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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/14/2015 10:54:26 PM   
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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/14/2015 11:19:27 PM   
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Some of the WMDs showed up, ISIS used them on the Kurds.
They offered to let the prisoners at Abu Ghraib go to a Arab prison, they decided to stay.


It's more believable that the chemical weapons were found in Syria. Yes, some of Saddam's old (circa 1991) supply was found, but it was ruled damaged and degraded by UN inspectors, who said it would likely be more hazardous to the people handling it.

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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/14/2015 11:52:07 PM   
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Some of the WMDs showed up, ISIS used them on the Kurds.
They offered to let the prisoners at Abu Ghraib go to a Arab prison, they decided to stay.


It's more believable that the chemical weapons were found in Syria. Yes, some of Saddam's old (circa 1991) supply was found, but it was ruled damaged and degraded by UN inspectors, who said it would likely be more hazardous to the people handling it.

So you agree that they found them. It was just ignored. And before you say it we couldn't tell they were degraded till we captured them.

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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/15/2015 12:26:13 AM   
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I remember a few other issues that turned the public view on Iraq. Silly things like not finding WOMDs, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, finding out our government allows torture, and the fact that we had absolutely no plan on how to leave the country better than when we went in.

But it's our mess and we need to clean it up.



The part I highlighted is a logical fallacy. It's only been since the PPLs (The Hollywood crowd and other commsymps) took hold of this country that the idea of a vanquished aggressor deserving anything more than utter destruction has come into play.

Saddam had WoMDs (as far as we knew) and he had used them against his own people and threatened to use them against us.

If I'm walking through a parking lot, late at night, and some big guy walks up to me and threatens bodily harm, should I be responsible for his medical bills, when I've kicked his ass? Hardly. He'd have been healthy, if he hadn't threatened me.

The idea that we have to "spread democracy" is utter bullshit, also. It would be nice if we could get along with everyone in the world and having almost carbon-copy systems of government would help toward that end but we are speaking about sovereign nations that have the same God-given right of self-determination that we have. I don't care if they have an Islamic theocracy; as long as the leave us alone.



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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/15/2015 12:29:18 AM   
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If only there were a statesman, or a leader with some balls, fortitude and conviction who could rally the UN to action


We had one called President George W. Bush. And he pissed away all the good will the nation had on the last set of wars.

The people of the nation did not wish to stay on those wars, so they hired a non-Republican to the White House. Most people in the nation did not wish to put 'boots on the ground' in several instances, including Libya and Syria.

All the GOP/TP candidates are all happy to go to war; since its not their kids and grand kids that will be put through a meat grinder. They are more than happy to sacrifice you Sanity!




Practically ever Dem in Washington voted to liberate the people of Iraq. We heard lofty speeches from Bill and Hillary Clinton and Ted. Kennedy and Nanci Pelosi, Harry Reid, John Kery and all Gore on the grave dangers threatening the world due to Saddam Hussein


Yes, most people in the nation were 'on board' with it, because we were....LIED TO....by the Bush administration. It stated numerous times that Iraq had WMDs in large stockpiles. They had chemical, biological and even nuclear arms. We went there, searched everywhere, and how much of those 'massive stockpiles' did we uncover? Much less than the Iraq government showed to the world just three months before the invasion (look it up in the history books if you dont believe me).

Imagine if the GOP/TP investigate the Bush administration like it did Clinton and Obama? Demanding justice just as much as those two US Presidents?

They didn't. They gave the Bush administration a total pass from charges or study.

You want to bitch about the Democrats on war?

Maybe you should first hold your political party and ideology accountable and responsible before blaming others. That way your not a hypocrite....

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Then the rat bastards knifed everyone in the back with their propagand war. Our soldiers, our president, the people of Iraq...


Yes, the 'lets not look objectively at America for 2003-2008'. Let us ignore the effects of No Child Left Behind Act. Or the Patriot Act. Two domestic bills that fucked the nation up! Did you read either of them?

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Convinced the world that our soldiers were stealing oil, smuggling it out in their canteens I suppose


Our soldiers didnt steal oil. The American companies achieved that action! Its a funny thing. The Bush administration created a 'plan' for dealing with Iraq after it was taken over. They created this plan to encompass twenty-one or so industries or groupings of concepts. For instance, 'water and utilities', 'Iraq History and Antiquities', or 'Education'. And they created this plan just two months before the start and kept working on it throughout the fighting. You know what was odd about all this?

The people that headed up this 'industries' were not industrial experts in their fields; but those loyal to the Bush administration. The guy heading up the History and Antiquities? You would think someone with a PH.D. or two on history and such, right? WRONG. It was a guy that has two college courses on the Ancient Middle East. Yes, each of the 'industries' was comprised of individuals with little to no useful, working knowledge in their area of operation. Except just one industry....

...OIL....

Curious that one had experts with very long credentials, right? Like the President knew....just whom to ask.....about the oil business. I wonder how the Bush family made its millions.....

What was one of the four reasons President Bush gave to the world for invading Iraq?

"We will give the oil of Iraq to the people of Iraq to decide for themselves how best to use this resource."

That from our 'I will not conduct NATION BUILDING into other countries as President'.....

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Got a wholly unqualified man of highly questionable character elected leader of the free world


His name was George W. Bush. All of his advisers were once part of his father's administration. An he was not elected by the people of the nation, nor the Electoral College, but by the state supreme court. The grand majority of whom were REPUBLICAN. Can you say 'conflict of interest' here? Since history shows that Al Gore would have actually won both the popular vote and the Electoral college.

We took a guy that fucked Texas up pretty well over a guy whom had eight years as a vice president of the United States of America.

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And now gazing over at the people he abandoned we can clearly see that the leftists chickens have come home to roost


Yeah, we got a good president for seven years. Took an economy that was heading towards a second depression and turned it into a bull market. Kept us out of wars. Created a healthcare system that has dropped uninsured Americans to less than 10%, dropped our deficit by two thirds, and many other accomplishments. Did all this under total and absolute opposition from a group of people that would rather shut the government down, than allow millions of Americans access to health insurance!

Can you actually be intellectually honest here?

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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/15/2015 1:10:01 AM   
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I remember a few other issues that turned the public view on Iraq. Silly things like not finding WOMDs, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, finding out our government allows torture, and the fact that we had absolutely no plan on how to leave the country better than when we went in.

But it's our mess and we need to clean it up.

The part I highlighted is a logical fallacy. It's only been since the PPLs (The Hollywood crowd and other commsymps) took hold of this country that the idea of a vanquished aggressor deserving anything more than utter destruction has come into play.


No, we the United States really did not have a solid plan to handle the nation after all combat operations had stopped. We had plans, and they were flaky at best (as I pointed out above). The Bush Administration wanted to invade Iraq, so that Bush could 'get even' with the guy that tried to kill his dad. I could understand that, but not agree its justifiable enough reason to launch a conflict. He didn't have an effective end game in place. The plans that did unfold were sloppy and inconsistent across the board. Except on Oil! They had a good solid plan for Oil....

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Saddam had WoMDs (as far as we knew) and he had used them against his own people and threatened to use them against us.


About two or three months before the invasion, Saddam released his WMD program. Yeah, he 'saw the writing on the wall' and decided to come clean (mostly). He explained to news media the reason for the secrecy was not so much to keep the United States in the dark (or the world, including Israel). But to keep Iran from invading!

What we found in Iraq was less, than those programmed noted. You can look this up in the history books if you don't believe me....

The Iranians were pretty 'up in arms' because we had two large armies on two of its borders (Iran shares a border with Iraq and Afghanistan). Which because of this, would create problems for the nation during much of the Obama administration (Not that he didn't have enough problems already).

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If I'm walking through a parking lot, late at night, and some big guy walks up to me and threatens bodily harm, should I be responsible for his medical bills, when I've kicked his ass? Hardly. He'd have been healthy, if he hadn't threatened me.


Actually, depends....

The guy reports you to the cops for an unprovoked attack. Now its 'you said, he said'. Depending on circumstances, events and lawyers you could not only be paying for that guy's medical bills but having a 'lovely' stay in prison for a few years.

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The idea that we have to "spread democracy" is utter bullshit, also. It would be nice if we could get along with everyone in the world and having almost carbon-copy systems of government would help toward that end but we are speaking about sovereign nations that have the same God-given right of self-determination that we have. I don't care if they have an Islamic theocracy; as long as the leave us alone.


Weren't we the ones that fucked their country up first? Imagine if Iran fucked our nation up; do you think people would be justifiably angered at the action? You better believe it! Now we have a young generation that is more connected to each other than ever before. They are not limited to the pettiness and hatreds of previous generations. There is still pettiness and hatred. But not quite along the lines of 'kill them before they kill us' mentality. Let us hope the young generations can maintain that understanding rather than sinking down into cynical behaviors that have cost previous generations.

We really haven't been spreading Democracy so much as advancing corporate interests into other nations. WW2 was really the last war for a long while in which this nation fought for something besides corporate profits. That Eisenhower warned us of the Industrial Military Complex that would seek to convince us that war was a good thing for America. The founding fathers warned us of tyrannical entities that masqueraded around as 'the good guys'. That while many folks on the conservative side are convince President Obama is the worst US President ever, I could make the argument he has been one of the best in many decades.

Does God determine our direction, or do we? If God determines it, than life has no real meaning. All events and concepts have been pre-determine. Yet if we determine the direction and not some imaginary friend; then it means we are taking more responsibility as adults rather than physically adult but mental children in the world. It means we live and die by our actions (or in actions). The people that are scared, rather have God helping out. The ones that want actual change, want us to determine a better path.

This nation and its people have stumbled many times. An yet, we tend to be a better nation for it. We lived through McCarthy and Vietnam. We learned hard lessons from both, right? Today we have Ferguson and Gay Marriage. We are learning hard lessons right now. In the future? Dare I say Climate Change maybe one of those stumbling moments for Americans to handle and learn from?


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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/15/2015 2:11:30 AM   
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I think Russia has a bunch of small tactical nukes (they do less damage than strategic ones). Maybe we could convince Russia to solve the ISIS problem for a price of course.

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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/15/2015 9:16:04 AM   
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I remember a few other issues that turned the public view on Iraq. Silly things like not finding WOMDs, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, finding out our government allows torture, and the fact that we had absolutely no plan on how to leave the country better than when we went in.

But it's our mess and we need to clean it up.


All used very heavily in the propaganda war

Very effectively too

ISIS couldnt have done a better job had they done it alone



You can say it was used in a propaganda war, but you can't refute any of it.

I'm the first to say Saddam was a bastard and had to be removed from power. I never really saw why it should be up to us, but who the fuck else was gonna do it?

But our intelligence going in was flawed. Our strategic planning and operations were flawed. Our troops were sent in without proper body armor. Our expectations were flawed. Our definition of victory was nowhere near as resolute as is necessary.

These mistakes cannot be repeated.


Cant refute any of it? What BS! Its all essentially PROPAGANDA. Abu Ghraib, the leftist media screamed that it went all the way up to Dick Cheney, which was a lie. Abu Ghraib was a low level crime that Bush vigorously prosecuted. Leftist trash loved showing the pictures all over the planet though, because it hurt the war effort against al Qaeda (ISIS) and aided all of our enemies, all over the world. Helped leftists politically while aiding our enemies and harming our troops and our image abroad.

WMDs, everyone including Saddam Hussein and all of the Democrats I mentioned above thought Saddam had them. And WMDs was only a fraction of the many reason everyone agreed on that we needed to go in there for. But if you listen to the leftists that all gets turned upside down

Torture - waterboarding. Debatable if its torture, and it was used on 1 - 3 high value targets, leaders who had a hand in 9/11 itself and knew of future plans. Of course, leftists wailed and gnashed their teeth and used that to help ISIS, Barack Obama and the Democrats generally and harm the US as a whole, harm the allies in their war effort and endanger our soldiers too, though it was legal and arguably the right thing to do

Gitmo, a prison for terrorists, that Obama still has open

The horror, we put terrorists in a prison

Once again, propagandized to help ISIS and the Democrats and harm the US as a whole, harm the allies in their war effort and endanger our soldiers

You claim that our efforts were flawed, well welcome to the real world. Everything here is flawed, but that doesnt mean that you should use our weaknesses against your fellow citizens as propaganda


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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/15/2015 9:24:36 AM   
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Yes, most people in the nation were 'on board' with it, because we were....LIED TO....by the Bush administration.


You are full of shit. Many of the Democrats I pointed out above had been lecturing us on the dangers of Iraq long before Bush was elected

Just more vile propaganda and lies from Democrats to help themselves politically, help ISIS, and harm our soldiers

A way for them to turn Americas back, the worlds back on people like Kayla Mueler, and all of ISIS' other victims, all of the victims of Islamists like Iran and Boko Haram, all over the planet







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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/15/2015 9:54:02 AM   
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There are two cold stone facts in this:

1) Western nations have made it their business to get involved in the business of the Middle East. I don't see Middle Eastern nations setting up shop in the West.

2) The poor lass who is trying to help has been caught up in this. As often happens, people with a good heart end up on the receiving end. It is a sad fact of human interaction that the good people don't always get what they deserve.

This one is an opinion:

People like you have a hand in this Sanity, not the left. Thinking it's like a computer game where 'good' endures despite 'evil'.

Stupid people thinking it's a good idea to invade other people's countries and when they fight back, and of course they're not going to play by your rules just because you say so, then you call for more bombing of people.

You're an idiot, mate, a complete fucking fool.

The poor lass who has been caught up in this, and God knows the suffering it has caused her and her family, is just trying to help with a good heart; except there are people in this world like you sat in your armchair talking about fighting and those other fucking idiots who call themselves ISIS who don't value life.

It's quite disheartening really when you think of what this world should be and what it is. Someone with a good heart with good intentions suffers because of a bunch of idiots who with no brains, and these idiots will go on merrily talking shite from an arm chair.

Sanity, why don't you go to fucking Iraq or wherever it is instead of talking a good fight?

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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/15/2015 10:02:03 AM   
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Weren't we the ones that fucked their country up first?



No

When Islamists first invaded and started enslaving or murdering all of the natives in the area who refused to convert everything was probably fine. Hindus and Buddhists in the area were very peaceful, and the Christians werent killing everyone who disagreed with Jesus.

Blaming everything Islamists do today, have done in the past, on the white man is just plain sick and wrong

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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/15/2015 10:04:17 AM   
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There are two cold stone facts in this:

1) Western nations have made it their business to get involved in the business of the Middle East. I don't see Middle Eastern nations setting up shop in the West.

2) The poor lass who is trying to help has been caught up in this. As often happens, people with a good heart end up on the receiving end. It is a sad fact of human interaction that the good people don't always get what they deserve.

This one is an opinion:

People like you have a hand in this Sanity, not the left. Thinking it's like a computer game where 'good' endures despite 'evil'.

Stupid people thinking it's a good idea to invade other people's countries and when they fight back, and of course they're not going to play by your rules just because you say so, then you call for more bombing of people.

You're an idiot, mate, a complete fucking fool.

The poor lass who has been caught up in this, and God knows the suffering it has caused her and her family, is just trying to help with a good heart; except there are people in this world like you sat in your armchair talking about fighting and those other fucking idiots who call themselves ISIS who don't value life.

It's quite disheartening really when you think of what this world should be and what it is. Someone with a good heart with good intentions suffers because of a bunch of idiots who with no brains, and these idiots will go on merrily talking shite from an arm chair.

Sanity, why don't you go to fucking Iraq or wherever it is instead of talking a good fight?


Another moron speaks

Everything ISIS does is the white mans fault

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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/15/2015 10:26:23 AM   
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Why don't all you brave souls arm-up and go over there yourselves to fight for the cause?

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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/15/2015 10:31:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Why don't all you brave souls arm-up and go over there yourselves to fight for the cause?


Leftists will never run out of propaganda, in their continuing defense of ISIS

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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/15/2015 10:35:34 AM   
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Why don't all you brave souls arm-up and go over there yourselves to fight for the cause?

I served during Vietnam and the first Gulf War. I am now retired. So you know what you can do with this crap.
Let me translate this into practical terms. If you favor action you should take up arms and go over there, leaving the political debate at home to those who would stab the military in the back.

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RE: American Aid Worker Enslaved, Tortured, Repeatedly ... - 8/15/2015 10:46:06 AM   
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If you want war, seems to me you should be willing to serve on the front line.

The US has been in a constant state of war since 2011. What have the gains been?

ISIS just set off a bomb in Baghdad that killed 60 innocent people. What kind of magic wand do think solves this conflict? Angry White guys in America seems like a weak starting point to me.

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