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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Re my link above.

http://theweek.com/articles/555720/how-george-w-bush-dick-cheney-brought-torture-america

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Re my link above.

http://theweek.com/articles/555720/how-george-w-bush-dick-cheney-brought-torture-america

The web page your link brings up says right at the top, "Opinion"

Even if you could find something that wasnt pure opinion on the matter it will never change the fact that leftists used such things as propaganda and aided and abetted al-Qaeda / ISIS and all of the rest of the lefts Islamist friends in the process

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Re my link above.

http://theweek.com/articles/555720/how-george-w-bush-dick-cheney-brought-torture-america

The web page your link brings up says right at the top, "Opinion"

Even if you could find something that wasnt pure opinion on the matter it will never change the fact that leftists used such things as propaganda and aided and abetted al-Qaeda / ISIS and all of the rest of the lefts Islamist friends in the process

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Re my link above.

http://theweek.com/articles/555720/how-george-w-bush-dick-cheney-brought-torture-america

The web page your link brings up says right at the top, "Opinion"

Even if you could find something that wasnt pure opinion on the matter it will never change the fact that leftists used such things as propaganda and aided and abetted al-Qaeda / ISIS and all of the rest of the lefts Islamist friends in the process

It may not have been the intent, but it was the effect.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I take it you didnt watch the PBS film yet

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

You two clowns miss the fact that the timetable to pull troops out of Iraq was set by Bush....... Bush and his team also installed a Shia government that was not fully inclusive.

Hence we now have ISIS in control of much of Iraq and Syria.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

We have been in a constant state of alienating our allies since 2008

Backtracking on and apologizing for our victories on behalf of the victims of the Baathists and Islamists in the region

As ISIS was rising Obama was golfing and laughing, literally called them JV despite his access to the best intelligence services the world has ever known

Iraq begged us for help fighting them, and Barack Obama ignored them. The Saudis, Turkey, the Kurds, the world has been asking for out help with this massive, grievous humanitarian crisis and they are all but ignored

The French, even with their reputation, are doing more than we are. The British are doing more. The Saudis have decided to go it alone while we work with Iranian extremists via treaty to fund THEIR terrorist activities and proxy wars. Ignored the American hostage they are holding in John Kerrys secretive, scandalous negotiations. Even agreed that though they are chanting for our death, they can have nuclear weapons in ten years' time... Thus sparking a potential nuclear arms race in the region

The bottom line is that we arent on our side any longer, and some day the news of this will gain some traction. It might take another 9/11 but it will eventually gain some traction

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I take it you didnt watch the PBS film yet

I wrote that leftists used such things as propaganda and PBS? Is as leftist as as leftist broadcasters get so...

Care to tell us something that I havent already posted?

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ORIGINAL: Staleek

It's time wealthy westerners stopped shitting their pants over what happens in the Middle East and just leave it be.

We've had the odd terrorist attack, 60 or so in the UK, fewer in the USA (not counting 9/11 which was an anomaly which can't be repeated), and a handful in the European mainland. In fact, if you're in the USA, you're twice as likely to be killed by right-wing terrorists than Islamic terrorists....

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0

http://time.com/3934980/right-wing-extremists-white-terrorism-islamist-jihadi-dangerous/

http://www.refinery29.com/2015/06/89683/homegrown-terrorism-statistics

Few if any of the Islamic terrorist attacks would have occurred if we had kept out of North East Africa and the Middle East. Contrary to what the cowards wetting their pants in fear on Fox News are telling you ISIS doesn't give a crap about what goes on outside of its territory.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

You two clowns miss the fact that the timetable to pull troops out of Iraq was set by Bush....... Bush and his team also installed a Shia government that was not fully inclusive.

Hence we now have ISIS in control of much of Iraq and Syria.

Immaterial, has nothing to do with ISIS. YOU are overlooking the fact that I have already posted that Iraq begged for help against ISIS from the United States, and that Barack ignored their pleas. For really old trolls with no memory, heres what I posted in that regard, only one short page ago:

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

We have been in a constant state of alienating our allies since 2008

Backtracking on and apologizing for our victories on behalf of the victims of the Baathists and Islamists in the region

As ISIS was rising Obama was golfing and laughing, literally called them JV despite his access to the best intelligence services the world has ever known

Iraq begged us for help fighting them, and Barack Obama ignored them. The Saudis, Turkey, the Kurds, the world has been asking for out help with this massive, grievous humanitarian crisis and they are all but ignored

The French, even with their reputation, are doing more than we are. The British are doing more. The Saudis have decided to go it alone while we work with Iranian extremists via treaty to fund THEIR terrorist activities and proxy wars. Ignored the American hostage they are holding in John Kerrys secretive, scandalous negotiations. Even agreed that though they are chanting for our death, they can have nuclear weapons in ten years' time... Thus sparking a potential nuclear arms race in the region

The bottom line is that we arent on our side any longer, and some day the news of this will gain some traction. It might take another 9/11 but it will eventually gain some traction

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ORIGINAL: ChrchofDrk

Turn the sand where they live to glass and be done with them I say. Innocents may die. But that's their tough shit. It will put the fear of God into them

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

More bullshit, the British along with everyone else, are doing less of the bombing than America. Even an idiot like you should know that.

As for Iran, please forgive me, I didnt realise they are funding Sunni terrorists who most Iranians as heretics.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Re my link above.

http://theweek.com/articles/555720/how-george-w-bush-dick-cheney-brought-torture-america

The web page your link brings up says right at the top, "Opinion"

Even if you could find something that wasnt pure opinion on the matter it will never change the fact that leftists used such things as propaganda and aided and abetted al-Qaeda / ISIS and all of the rest of the lefts Islamist friends in the process

It may not have been the intent, but it was the effect.

You think they didnt know what the effect would be?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Staleek

It's time wealthy westerners stopped shitting their pants over what happens in the Middle East and just leave it be.

We've had the odd terrorist attack, 60 or so in the UK, fewer in the USA (not counting 9/11 which was an anomaly which can't be repeated), and a handful in the European mainland. In fact, if you're in the USA, you're twice as likely to be killed by right-wing terrorists than Islamic terrorists....

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0

http://time.com/3934980/right-wing-extremists-white-terrorism-islamist-jihadi-dangerous/

http://www.refinery29.com/2015/06/89683/homegrown-terrorism-statistics

Few if any of the Islamic terrorist attacks would have occurred if we had kept out of North East Africa and the Middle East. Contrary to what the cowards wetting their pants in fear on Fox News are telling you ISIS doesn't give a crap about what goes on outside of its territory.

Islamists have been attacking and murdering every people theyve come in contact with since the time of Muhammad

Contrary to the ignorance spewed by theuir leftist apologists they dont kill for revenge

Ask the Yazidis about that

They enslave, rape, torture and kill because the people they encounter arent Muslims, or the right kind of Muslims

And New York City isnt anywhere near North Africa or the Middle East

Neither is Boston, or London, or any of thousands of other places around the globe subject to recent Islamist attacks

And again, for the terminally stupid, Kayla Mueller proves that ISIS does affect American citizens

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Laughable shit, as well as ignorant. You do know they want to die as martyrs dont you ? God holds no fears for them.

"Innocents may die" hardly describes the effect of turning the place to glass.