crumpets
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I have been researching this for a long time):
This is wonderful that you have the experience, as a DM of sorts, for various web sites.
I'm going to take your data very seriously.
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Women: average of 1.76 profiles/personalities. (Usually create additional profiles when they lose login info). Nearly always female.
I guess that means that women have a single profile, most of the time, unless they screw up their login credentials, in which case they have two profiles. It also means that some women (some of whom I've personally known so I know this to be true) maintain a profile for their Submissive side and another profile for their Switch personality.
But, how do you know these numbers?
If I was an admin, I would correlate profiles using (at least) these (easy) four bits of data; but I have no idea of YOU had access to those four bits of data. Did you?
If you did, you could correlate profiles rather easily (hence, you would have "good data").
For example, it's easy to correlate profiles if:
1. The women used the same email address for both profiles.
2. It's also easy to correlate if they use the same IP address each time they log in.
3. It might also be easy to correlate if they used the same password.
4. And, it's trivial to correlate if the site cares to remember the browser "fingerprint" (especially if you're ignorant about this topic).
It's much harder to correlate if the profile owner:
1. Uses a different email address for each profile, or
2. Uses VPN and/or TOR (which everyone should use - email me - and I'll tell you why you're a fool if you're NOT using either one) to change their IP address when they log in, or,
3. Uses the same password for each account, or,
4. Uses a unique browser fingerprint (email me to find out why you'd be prudent to at least know what your browser fingerprint is, for example.
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Men: average of 12.3 profiles/personalities. Male AND female.
That's a pretty believable number.
We might note that the male average is six times the female average, which I'll call ten to one (for simplification).
That's believable that any one guy has ten times the number of profiles as any one gal.
It's believable that the men outnumber the women in number of profiles, for a few reasons:
1. Women can be more successful with one profile than men can be with ten times as many profiles, so, women don't NEED as many profiles to get the same results
2. Men, to increase their odds, often resort to shotgun methods, one of which might be to multiply their presence
3. Men, it seems, are the key commercial scammers when it comes to the 18-year-old-babe profiles (the number of such profiles are astoundingly huge!)
4. I would think it more likely that men would create profiles for ENTERTAINMENT purposes, such as to collect PICTURES (either of other naked men or of naked women)
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Men were also more likely to access the sites and chat during normal working hours, from 2.57% more devices. and about 9x as often as women.
This makes a lot of sense, and, if we look at the Ashley Madison numbers, the IP addresses were coming from work computers in a large number of cases. (Again, you're a fool if you're not using VPN or TOR - and if you want to know more - just email me and I'll spill my guts - since I can't believe how dumb some people are when it comes to protecting their sexual privacy.)
It's interesting that men use 3 times as many devices, as I thought everyone was wired nowadays. Kids especially. Me? I only have 3 cellphones, but, some have dual sim cards, so, I guess I could come in from more than just a computer if I had wanted to put on my reading glasses to read on a tiny cellphone screeen.
It's interesting that men come in from work ten times more than women do. I wonder if the fact that many of the "women" are men skews that number, where it would normally be twenty times or even a hundred times more often? (If I was gonna come in from work, I'd hide the entire communication behind a VPN because you have absolutely no privacy rights at work.)
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Ashley Madison the corporation committed fraud. We're talking about user-created fraud. And it's HUGE.
I understand your point. It seems pretty clear that Ashley Madison's owners did commit fraud (they apparently paid people to create fake female profiles, for example, and then advertised the number of profiles).
It seems that all five elements of fraud might exist in the Ashley Madison case:
(1) a false statement of a material fact,
(2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue,
(3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim,
(4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and
(5) injury to the alleged victim as a result
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Now, again, that's MY experience. In ADULT communities and chat. May or may not be indicative of CS, but it's worth noting the possibilities.
I thank you for that data, as I have never moderated a forum myself (although I have been asked to be a moderator, but not by anyone on a sexually related forum).
One question I have for you (and for RS, who was also a moderator) and for any other person here who is/was a moderator is what type of INFORMATION is available to you about us?
The reason I ask is that I could detect duplicate profiles easily if you gave me certain bits of information; but, without those bits, it woudl be MUCH HARDER (perhaps impossible) to correlate two profiles.
Given that data is only as good as how it was obtained, I wonder HOW you get your profile-count data, because, a lot depends on HOW you gathered the information.
1. For example, do you have, as a moderator, access to the profile email address?
If you do, then any profile with the same email address would reasonably be considered from the same person.
2. Do you, as a forum moderator, typically have access to the incoming IP address?
The IP address is "often" static (especially for cable subscribers); so that "could" be a dead giveaway of multiple profiles.
3. Do site moderators typically have access to the profile password?
I never repeat passwords, but, many people do, so, that "could" be a dead giveaway of multiple profiles.
4. Do web moderators typically have access to browser fingerprinting information?
You would be easily trackable if you were found to be unique at the panopticlick.eff.org site, for example.
I could go on with the questions, but, with access to those four items, I could pretty much track almost everyone except the ones clever enough to change any of those four characteristics on each profile they make.
Without those four bits of data, I think it might be pretty hard to determine if two profiles were by the same person.
Social engineering would work; but that's less definite than, say, tracking a browser fingerprint or an IP address or password or email address.
< Message edited by crumpets -- 9/2/2015 12:15:02 PM >
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