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ForgetToRemember -> Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/17/2015 11:15:54 PM)

I decided to test out a hypothesis that I've had for a while. There are more men than women that are kinky (have distinct fetishes and/or observe a power exchange). I don't have the time or resources to do a full study of course, but thought I'd post what I found in my small sample. I searched my home state, any distance, any other settings. The only search criteria were age (18-36) and gender (in this case sex). I searched for reasonably active people (on in the last month). Here is what I found after removing the fakes, double accounts and scam / spammers.

Men: 96
Trans: 3 (all naturally born men)
Women: 23

I didn't count couples, since I figured they were unique, and mostly canceled out (not effecting the ratio much). I also didn't count sexual orientation because I figured about as many men as women are gay (ie unwilling to date the opposite sex). Therefore, not effecting the ratio much either.

Final result: ~4:1 ratio for Male:Female somewhat active on collarspace. Again not a huge sample size. I am also aware that some can be hidden, or not show last online date. Again I assume about as many men as women use these options.

I'd be curious what other states come out to be (I was able to do this in part because of the small size of my state's population). Larger populations would take more time, but could be done (hardest part is removing fakes / duplicates).



NookieNotes -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/18/2015 4:30:19 AM)

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I also didn't count sexual orientation because I figured about as many men as women are gay (ie unwilling to date the opposite sex).


Actually, this is not the case. The estimates are that there are 4-10x as many gay men than women.

But the rest doesn't surprise me.



crumpets -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/18/2015 11:06:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ForgetToRemember
Men: 96
Trans: 3 (all naturally born men)
Women: 23


You will find, as a general rule, that horny men outnumber horny women something like a hundred to one in almost all endeavors.

There are quite a few reasons for this, but it has held for tens of thousands of years, so, there is no amount of politically correct talk that will change this hundred-to-one ratio.

One of the reasons is that men are naturally infused with far more sexually aggressive hormones than women, and, while none of us can ever FEEL the effect of hormones on another person, women just don't have the levels that men have, even when they are at their lifetime peak, while men, at their very lowest levels in their lives, are often at far higher titres than women at their absolute peak. (I know plenty of women SAY they're hornier than some men, but that's why it's a hundred to one - there is always going to be one woman for every hundred men who is actually hornier than they are - and - nobody can FEEL the effect of hormones on another person - so it's hard to say other than from indirect observation).

Every other reason relates to that biological one above.

For example, take any average kinky woman here, and ask her how much unsolicited MAIL she gets. Then take an average kinky guy here, and ask him how much unsolicited mail he gets. If the ratio isn't roughly about a hundred to one, I'd be surprised.

Again, take the average kinkster here, and ask how the RESPONSES go to their solicitations. Again, if it's not about a hundred to one, I'd be surprised.

Then run a search of Craigslist or Fetlife or Alt.com, and search for ads by kinky men versus ads by kinky women. If it's not about a hundred to one, again I'd be very surprised.

(Do you see a pattern here yet?)

We could go on and on, for example, look at RAPE figures. If that's not at least a hundred to one men who rape women versus women who rape men, I'd be surprised (although there are many factors involved, not the least of which is the DEFINITION of rape).

But the list goes on and on. When is the last time you saw a maruding band of young women pillaging and plundering a town, versus the same thing, with a bunch of hoodlum men?

To make things even worse than the general hundred-to-one ratio, consider that a lot of profiles are BUSINESS endeavors (mainly scams). So, pretty much all the too-good-to-be-true female profiles here are run by men or women, at a hundred-to-one ratio yet again. I can't tell you that I personally measured all of this, but I'm just trying to make the point that if you don't see a hundred to one (roughly) ratio in ALL the sexual comparisons between men and women, then you're counting fake profiles as women, when they're not.

If you put a reasonable age and weight and a few other reasonable criteria in your search for female profiles, for example, you will drop in half or down to 1/10th (depending on your search criteria) the "real" women profiles (Hint: Every 18 year old babe who just wants to get laid is fake, if you didn't know this already.)



ForgetToRemember -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/18/2015 12:39:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

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I also didn't count sexual orientation because I figured about as many men as women are gay (ie unwilling to date the opposite sex).


Actually, this is not the case. The estimates are that there are 4-10x as many gay men than women.

But the rest doesn't surprise me.


Thanks for letting me know that. I haven't looked up the most recent data on the subject. That might change the ratio a little bit closer to 3:1 (if for no other reason than the sample being so small).

Crumpets I know of what you speak. There are proven biological differences between men and women, and one that I was interested in is what we think of as "Kinky". I was wondering if one's kinkyness had some basis in nature and not only nurture. I for example, have 'felt' different since a very young age. I would probably say I knew I as sadomasochistic since before 8 (I know mods don't like us talking about young children, but I am talking about history really). Of course at the time I had no idea what it was called, or if it was normal or not.

Hence why I was curious what kind of ratio I'd find on sites dedicated to satiating the "kinky" need, and if it showed some bias that could be biologically indicative. A control would be the ratio of men:women for non kinky sites (normal dating and tinder like sites). I haven't done this yet though. I'd still like to see what the ratios are for other states though.



Kana -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/18/2015 1:16:05 PM)

I think the term "Men" is being used quite loosely here :-)



NookieNotes -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/19/2015 3:52:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: crumpets
One of the reasons is that men are naturally infused with far more sexually aggressive hormones than women, and, while none of us can ever FEEL the effect of hormones on another person, women just don't have the levels that men have, even when they are at their lifetime peak, while men, at their very lowest levels in their lives, are often at far higher titres than women at their absolute peak.


Actually, you have this wrong. VERY wrong. You know not of what you speak, and you are spreading a myth that has hurt man- and womankind for centuries.

If you want the truth, stick around. If not, your loss:

Women want sex as much as men.

For every straight man having sex, h=guess what? There is a woman there. Yeah. I know. Crazy!

And, women cheat as often as men do. Uh huh. And our hormones are not only as strong, but at certain times of the month and in our lifecycles, even stronger.

So, put it away.

The thing is this: women (in general) have a few things that keep them from rutting about the way you are implying men do:

1. Society. Being ostracized as a "slut" is particularly painful for some women, as women are (generally) social creatures.

2. Birth control and STIs. Not only are women the ONLY ones who can get pregnant, we can also catch STIs from men easier than men catch them from us. THE SUCK.

3. Our hormones tend to wax and wane, causing us to want one man part of the time, and a completely different man another part of the time.

4. Our sexuality is tied more intrinsically with our brains (really, it's an anatomical fact). Therefore, what we want/need is usually accompanied by more of a mental componant than a pure physical release.

AND YET... despite all of this, and the fact that most men don't actually know how to handle a sexually aware woman, women still give in to our cravings and have sex with less-than-ideal-options, because we need it. Want it. Enjoy it. We just don't tell you, or everyone on the fora about it.

After all, with all of those ads on CL, or here, or wherever, we can get it whenever we want. And no one the wiser, if we choose not to tell.

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ORIGINAL: Kana

I think the term "Men" is being used quite loosely here :-)


LOL! And... this.



DerangedUnit -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/19/2015 4:56:30 AM)

They said "sexually aggressive hormones" which could have referred to the effect of the hormones produced in sex.

Men release primarily dopamine during sex, while women release oxytocin. A woman generally has sex to bond while a man has sex to feel pleasure, fucking whoever tends to happen when a bond isnt likely because yes its still needed. As shown with the fibromyalgia of the last century hysteria ;)

Of course this doesn't mean women always bond over sex(but if its really good sex..... maybe:P) womens brains actually process pleasure differently, creating a numb feeling that reduces pain response. And thats for a reason. Because our bodies WANT to be able to get off even if the situation is not ideal. As it often isnt..... for thousands of years(and still) women were battle prizes or forced to marry, your brain can alter behavior to get you off without releasing bonding hormones if experience has shown there arent potential partners.

Most animals have these self defense mechanisms built in. Like ducks, the females have fake vaginas because they are so often raped. They only show the drake the right one if he will stick around and help raise the ducklings.



NookieNotes -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/19/2015 5:35:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DerangedUnit
Men release primarily dopamine during sex, while women release oxytocin. A woman generally has sex to bond while a man has sex to feel pleasure, fucking whoever tends to happen when a bond isnt likely because yes its still needed. As shown with the fibromyalgia of the last century hysteria ;)


A woman generally wants sex to bond... however, studies show that many women (even those who usually want sex within a relationship ) have sex, especially during ovulation, for pleasure and procreative drive, even when they weren't planning to.

Again, they just don't talk about it.

What people SAY they do and what they do are two different things.



DerangedUnit -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/19/2015 7:24:34 AM)

True. Most people want sex, sex drive itself doesnt have to do with gender, just how people go about it....

Some women want sex 5 times a day, some men once a month. That is other factors(like lifestyle, activity level, health and personality)

Women dont tend to actively seek though. They dont stop their car in the middle of the road and yell "hey you! I wanna bone you!" At a stranger. I think that has a lot to do with our vibrators working better than most men anyways lol(as I hinted at with the mention of hysteria which was back from a time when a vibrator was a medical device and women went to the doctor to get off)



MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/19/2015 9:35:50 AM)

Your data collecting methods are ATROCIOUS. For one you left out a huge part of the CS membership due to age, the fact they are in relationships, etc. (WHY exactly? There are lots of people age 37+ on here; the couples are ACTIVE in fetishes so why were they eliminated?) and secondly I see a lot of your personal opinions and assumptions coloring your so-called "research".

Also, exactly how are you able to assess if a profile is a sock, duplicate, or belongs to a scammer? (Please, DO TELL)

I don't necessarily disagree with the "more men than women" idea, but I have strong doubts about your fact gathering and whether you ACTUALLY did all this "research", or are just throwing some data around to give your opinion more beef.

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ORIGINAL: ForgetToRemember

The only search criteria were age (18-36) and gender (in this case sex). I searched for reasonably active people (on in the last month). Here is what I found after removing the fakes, double accounts and scam / spammers.

I didn't count couples, since I figured they were unique, and mostly canceled out (not effecting the ratio much). I also didn't count sexual orientation because I figured about as many men as women are gay (ie unwilling to date the opposite sex). Therefore, not effecting the ratio much either.

Final result: ~4:1 ratio for Male:Female somewhat active on collarspace. Again not a huge sample size. I am also aware that some can be hidden, or not show last online date. Again I assume about as many men as women use these options.

I'd be curious what other states come out to be (I was able to do this in part because of the small size of my state's population). Larger populations would take more time, but could be done (hardest part is removing fakes / duplicates).




NookieNotes -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/19/2015 11:17:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DerangedUnit
Women dont tend to actively seek though.


Agreed. There is no need. The men are seeking. It's easier for us to simply respond or not as we see fit.



RogueCell -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/19/2015 11:28:31 AM)

Absolutely THIS.



RogueCell -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/19/2015 11:30:17 AM)

Sigh

Actually, you have this wrong. VERY wrong. You know not of what you speak, and you are spreading a myth that has hurt man- and womankind for centuries.

If you want the truth, stick around. If not, your loss:

Women want sex as much as men.

For every straight man having sex, h=guess what? There is a woman there. Yeah. I know. Crazy!

And, women cheat as often as men do. Uh huh. And our hormones are not only as strong, but at certain times of the month and in our lifecycles, even stronger.

So, put it away.

The thing is this: women (in general) have a few things that keep them from rutting about the way you are implying men do:

1. Society. Being ostracized as a "slut" is particularly painful for some women, as women are (generally) social creatures.

2. Birth control and STIs. Not only are women the ONLY ones who can get pregnant, we can also catch STIs from men easier than men catch them from us. THE SUCK.

3. Our hormones tend to wax and wane, causing us to want one man part of the time, and a completely different man another part of the time.

4. Our sexuality is tied more intrinsically with our brains (really, it's an anatomical fact). Therefore, what we want/need is usually accompanied by more of a mental componant than a pure physical release.

AND YET... despite all of this, and the fact that most men don't actually know how to handle a sexually aware woman, women still give in to our cravings and have sex with less-than-ideal-options, because we need it. Want it. Enjoy it. We just don't tell you, or everyone on the fora about it.

After all, with all of those ads on CL, or here, or wherever, we can get it whenever we want. And no one the wiser, if we choose not to tell.

THIS, @ THIS



Thegunnysez -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/19/2015 11:33:55 AM)

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Agreed. There is no need. The men are seeking. It's easier for us to simply respond or not as we see fit.


That is sooooo not fair.



RogueCell -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/19/2015 12:06:00 PM)

Jeez I am so useless at this forum.



NookieNotes -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/19/2015 5:01:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez
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Agreed. There is no need. The men are seeking. It's easier for us to simply respond or not as we see fit.


That is sooooo not fair.


Really? How is this not fair?



cloudboy -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/19/2015 7:12:03 PM)


I've done informal research too, and there are definitely more men than woman, probably in line with your 4-1 ratio. The catch is that many men here are players looking to dabble or simply indulge their fantasies.

Anyway, the wild world of the internet makes all searches for a partner a real adventure. You need luck, timing, and compatibility. If you're a man, you have to beat the stacked odds as well.



Thegunnysez -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/20/2015 7:09:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez
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Agreed. There is no need. The men are seeking. It's easier for us to simply respond or not as we see fit.


That is sooooo not fair.


Really? How is this not fair?


Because I would prefer to be the one to "simply respond or not" as I see fit.



RockaRolla -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/20/2015 7:37:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez
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Agreed. There is no need. The men are seeking. It's easier for us to simply respond or not as we see fit.


That is sooooo not fair.


Really? How is this not fair?


Because I would prefer to be the one to "simply respond or not" as I see fit.

You already are. I can't tell you how many times I messaged men while still looking and had my messages ignored.
You can do that at any point during the conversation. But so many men see red flags once they talk to a woman and keep going because "It's just so hard to find someone!"



WickedestDesires -> RE: Male:Female ratio on collarspace (8/20/2015 1:23:07 PM)

Nods
Curiously I quoted a mean ratio the other day of what you just said (4). But i quoted one for Scotland population 5 million and London both have similar populations
It is a simple apt ratio – either side can be fragmented into; single, attached, pro element,

Damn my faulty memory I am including only those who are not pro or fake. Search parameters are with photos of actually them and online in the last hour ( i did not apply those to guys or married ones)
2 women 23 men
12:1 is the ratio for Scotland two biggest cities at this moment in time...which is pretty bad when you think about it I mean the fact 25 people from my lands are on here in the last hour. Ive ran it for longer time periods it is truly grim


the ratio on any site should be 1:1
it is not and many conclusions can be drawn



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