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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 10:50:48 AM   
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Faking it, eh? Who would go through all the social, emotional, cultural, and even legal problems to say they are gay when they are not?


an opportunistic little boy1 who found a way to wet his dick or masturbate in the womens can.

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 10:56:26 AM   
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an opportunistic little boy1 who found a way to wet his dick or masturbate in the womens can.


Just how would that work the second time?

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 11:01:37 AM   
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Cognitive dissonance:
the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change.


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Since its been proven gay is not 'genetic' and no gay gene is known to exist, the claim "would never wish to be gay" has to be either a lie or some sort of disorder like cognitive dissonance.


Doesn't this statement clearly state that those who believe X suffer from this disorder or are lying? Wouldn't that seem to limit the set of people that could suffer this condition? I contend that cognitive dissonance can affect anyone at anytime...I could be wrong but it is not likely.
Consider the number of people on this board who proclaim loudly that the law should be obeyed and infractions must be punished who have no problem with "J walking" or "waterboarding". We, as in you and me, have been taught from infancy that murder is wrong. If one is in the military there is necessarily a conflict within oneself about this dichotomy. What was once totally wrong is now your job. It is explained away quite easily with rhetoric but the objective facts remain.



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I never said or implied that I thought cognitive dissonance was uncommon, why have you made that up?


Yes you did.



Still dismissing the fact that it has been confirmed that genetics is not a consideration as a bonafide reason? Do you not understand that leaves only some sort of psychological issue if not simply a life decision?

Do you understand that until proper procedure has been complied with the little boy is not a little girl?

Your claim that my belief that: cognitive dissonance was uncommon is called a strawman. In other words unless you can lay out your set of proofs that it in anyway substantially confirms that (which you have not) it leave you with your false presumption.

Your military example is killing but not murder, hence killing in self defense is not the same as murder, despite I do recognize the illegitimate use of the construct in todays political wars for power money and greed.

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 11:08:01 AM   
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an opportunistic little boy1 who found a way to wet his dick or masturbate in the womens can.


Just how would that work the second time?


precedence

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 11:18:39 AM   
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Let's try that one more time. The first time he masturbates in the girls restroom they will probably notice. Just how would he go about acquiring further access to the girls restroom?
I am pretty sure precedence would hold little hope.

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 11:21:10 AM   
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Your military example is killing but not murder, hence killing in self defense is not the same as murder, despite I do recognize the illegitimate use of the construct in todays political wars for power money and greed.


That would be the standard "rhetoric" I refered to in my post.

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 11:27:31 AM   
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Still dismissing the fact that it has been confirmed that genetics is not a consideration as a bonafide reason? Do you not understand that leaves only some sort of psychological issue if not simply a life decision?


Wasn't it Ptolomy who's geocentric construct lasted more than a thousand years longer than the psylogic viewpoint you profer has been in existence?
You seem to feel that I am somehow invested in this persons sexuality
My point is,as I have said on this thread before, it is none of my business what this individual sees themself as...I do not care...it does not affect me.
Go prove to someone else that homosexuality is a choice. It is not relevant to me.

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 11:29:12 AM   
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Do you understand that until proper procedure has been complied with the little boy is not a little girl?


Do you understand I do not care? Do you underestand it is none of my business?

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 11:30:52 AM   
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Your claim that my belief that: cognitive dissonance was uncommon is called a strawman. In other words unless you can lay out your set of proofs that it in anyway substantially confirms that (which you have not) it leave you with your false presumption.


That would be your opinion. Mine has been previously stated.

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 11:40:52 AM   
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Apparently it does, or you'd have the ability to expand on 'no.'


My issue with your posts is the complete lack of understanding exhibited towards all of the technical details of this situation.
You claim she is estranged from her parents yet there is no proof of that or that she is an emancipated minor.


Not true - I provided the statement in the newspaper that her parents are having difficulty coming to terms with this and that she regularly sleeps at a friends house.

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You dismiss any regulations the school may have in place for those with different needs.


Not true. I addressed that. The school provided her with a separate bathroom for her to use. That was the accommodation. I have to say that seems reasonable to me.

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I pointed out that there is considerable paperwork required for something as simple as getting a wheel chair on campus. You assume with no bassis that the school simply agreed to all of her request because she asked. If you would have told your high school you were gay or transgender and wanted to use the faculty restroom would they have agreed with no questions asked?


There's no evidence of any paperwork involved here. Or any evidence that she's been evaluated by a psychiatrist. Back in the 1980s, if I had felt uncomfortable using the regular restrooms in my high school and asked to use a faculty room instead, I don't think it would have bothered the administration of my high school.

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You have said that her parents would naturally lie for her. If you had told your folks you wanted to fake your way into the girls locker room by saying you were transgender would they have agreed to lie for you?


Not true. I have said it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect her parents to naturally SUPPORT her. Some parents wouldn't question whether or not she was trying to pull off a prank. And these parents in particular seem to be somewhat estranged from her.

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You assume that there is no medical or psyciatric professional involved. If you had told your folks that you were transgender would they have just shruged and said "whatever" or might they have discussed it with you? Even sought professional help to deal with it?


I have seen no evidence of psychiatric professionals being involved. Have you? She's only been trying to use the girls room for a few weeks.

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You make some rather crass assumptions that have no bassis in reality. How many straight guys do you know who would put on a dress and act like a girl in front of all of their friends but wink to them that it was just a scam? Somehow you find her perevious declarations of homosexuality to be inconsistant with her deciding to be a girl. Are you really unaware that homosexuals and straight girls like to have sex with men?
Other than that we are good.


I haven't actually made ANY assumptions here. My assertion is that WE DON'T KNOW whether she's legitimate, or making some sort of political statement, or even just immature and hasn't sorted her own sexuality out just yet. Are you aware that there's a difference between a homosexual male and a transsexual?

Are you aware that sometimes teenagers act out and play pranks?

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 11:45:01 AM   
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It seems like a lot of people may be faking the religion they claim so dear too.


What would make you say that? I don't believe I've claimed ANY religion in here. Or are you just an Islamophobe?

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 11:49:09 AM   
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Let's try that one more time. The first time he masturbates in the girls restroom they will probably notice. Just how would he go about acquiring further access to the girls restroom?
I am pretty sure precedence would hold little hope.



nice so bottom line you expect that laws should be created and enforced so that little boys can simply wear a dress as a ticket to the ladies room because he will probably be discovered?








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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 11:49:42 AM   
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an opportunistic little boy1 who found a way to wet his dick or masturbate in the womens can.


Just how would that work the second time?


Would this *ever* happen? As I said, there must have been homosexual boys at my boys' school. I didn't once see a boy getting a stiffy in the changing room. No doubt such a boy would be terrified at the thought of being believed to be getting turned on by what he saw around him.

Here we have a kid who already feels watched, and watched with deep suspicion, at that. She's not going to do a damned thing that will upset anybody in whatever changing room she finds herself.

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 11:58:01 AM   
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Still dismissing the fact that it has been confirmed that genetics is not a consideration as a bonafide reason? Do you not understand that leaves only some sort of psychological issue if not simply a life decision?


Wasn't it Ptolomy who's geocentric construct lasted more than a thousand years longer than the psylogic viewpoint you profer has been in existence?
You seem to feel that I am somehow invested in this persons sexuality
My point is,as I have said on this thread before, it is none of my business what this individual sees themself as...I do not care...it does not affect me.
Go prove to someone else that homosexuality is a choice. It is not relevant to me.



You made it your business when you chose to argue the issues. Homosexuality is part of the issues and what this argument is about, whether it affects you is not part of the argument, another strawman of yours, if you do not care and its not your argument then best to find a thread you wish to support with more than contrarian ungrounded opinions that you cant support within the framework being argued.

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 12:00:29 PM   
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an opportunistic little boy1 who found a way to wet his dick or masturbate in the womens can.


Just how would that work the second time?


Would this *ever* happen? As I said, there must have been homosexual boys at my boys' school. I didn't once see a boy getting a stiffy in the changing room. No doubt such a boy would be terrified at the thought of being believed to be getting turned on by what he saw around him.

Here we have a kid who already feels watched, and watched with deep suspicion, at that. She's not going to do a damned thing that will upset anybody in whatever changing room she finds herself.


just to be clear you are talking about an all boys school correct?


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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 12:03:00 PM   
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Let's try that one more time. The first time he masturbates in the girls restroom they will probably notice. Just how would he go about acquiring further access to the girls restroom?
I am pretty sure precedence would hold little hope.



nice so bottom line you expect that laws should be created and enforced so that little boys can simply wear a dress as a ticket to the ladies room because he will probably be discovered?



So to you "probably" means she might not get caught? Once again just how does that work. How does one masturbate in the girls restroom in front of girls and them not notice. Do you really think that probably he might not get caught? You are not making any sense here? Does she have one of those Klingon cloaking devices so he can lurk and masturbate without being seen?

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 12:07:13 PM   
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You made it your business when you chose to argue the issues.


Show me where I chose to discuss the genetics of homosexuality.

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 12:11:01 PM   
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if you do not care and its not your argument then best to find a thread you wish to support with more than contrarian ungrounded opinions that you cant support within the framework being argued.


There must be something that makes you feel you can tell others what they can think,say or discuss...but I have been unable to distinguish what it is. Tell us just what is it that gives you this authority.

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 12:13:23 PM   
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Let's try that one more time. The first time he masturbates in the girls restroom they will probably notice. Just how would he go about acquiring further access to the girls restroom?
I am pretty sure precedence would hold little hope.



nice so bottom line you expect that laws should be created and enforced so that little boys can simply wear a dress as a ticket to the ladies room because he will probably be discovered?



So to you "probably" means she might not get caught? Once again just how does that work. How does one masturbate in the girls restroom in front of girls and them not notice. Do you really think that probably he might not get caught? You are not making any sense here? Does she have one of those Klingon cloaking devices so he can lurk and masturbate without being seen?





ah now the truth behind your posts comes out!

SO you are once again making grandiose assumptions that the kid will jump up on a table and say hey everyone watch me masturbate! FFS gunny save yourself the embarrassment!

Here let me help you; you probably as you said it carries the presumption getting caught is inveitable, which is supported by your further ASSumption that the only way the kid would masturbate is with an audience.

Since I never said that the kid would masturbate in front of an audience you conveniently filled in your blanks adding your own set of conditions or is it more of a literacy matter?

It wouldnt work that way at all. The kid who does not want to get caught would go in a toilet stall and if he is a smart kid who does not want to get caught would pick out one gal that he thought he could trust to join him, and most likely when there would be little restroom traffic.

Seriously, you cant comprehend how an opportunistic little boy could pull this off? Seriously?

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RE: Transgender rights in rural Missouri - 9/4/2015 12:18:30 PM   
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You're equating homosexuality or being trans with being a rapist?

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