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Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/4/2015 1:54:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Given such things as the USA being so powerful and having so much of an impact on the rest of the world, when Americans vote, how much - if at all - is there a sense that they're voting not just for the USA's best interests, but for the world's? What are your feelings and perceptions?

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/4/2015 3:34:27 PM   
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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/4/2015 3:44:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I'm voting for president I do consider carefully his or her skill with foreign policy. My personal belief is that how our elected commander-in-chief deals with our neighbors is just as important as domestic issues.

But, that's just me. I've found that many Americans are only concerned with how they will be personally affected, i.e. taxes, entitlements, etc.

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/4/2015 4:32:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		You've got it. The question that Reagan asked and was burned into the middle class white and repub voter is, "Are YOU better off now than you were 4 years ago ?"

So the question is, are YOU now and will YOU be better off than YOU were 4 years ago and will be...4 years from now ? The world now, is spectator sport...on CNN.

Plus, as I've said in so many words, the premise is incorrect. There is no extra responsibility upon Americans. The president himself has as much effect on the direction of the US (and the world) as the hood ornament does on a car.

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/4/2015 5:22:12 PM   
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Given such things as the USA being so powerful and having so much of an impact on the rest of the world, when Americans vote, how much - if at all - is there a sense that they're voting not just for the USA's best interests, but for the world's? What are your feelings and perceptions?



they didnt even know dubyas great grand daddy was part and party to a nazi coup against the us, or helping to launder money to hitler FFS.

Now Jeb? Dont need to be a rocket scientist to see where that one is going!

and lets be fair, how about clinton and his involvement in the drug cartel, and song bird mcstains traitor activities in nam.

the list goes on, hell kennedys daddy was mafia.

fine bunch over here running the show and people keep electing them.

What was your question again?


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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/4/2015 5:48:06 PM   
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Given such things as the USA being so powerful and having so much of an impact on the rest of the world, when Americans vote, how much - if at all - is there a sense that they're voting not just for the USA's best interests, but for the world's? What are your feelings and perceptions?



they didnt even know dubyas great grand daddy was part and party to a nazi coup against the us, or helping to launder money to hitler FFS.

Now Jeb? Dont need to be a rocket scientist to see where that one is going!

the list goes on, hell kennedys daddy was mafia.



Yep, grandaddy Bush was actually convicted, yet walked and with $1.5 mill in cash.

Jeb is the Al Gore of repubs and seems like he couldn't get laid in a 2 bit whorehouse with a pocket full of quarters.

Everybody spouts on lots of bullshit about old Joe. All he did was own most of what was important in the Boston Harbor. So what liquor did come in there, came through him. Yes, he made million$, (prohibition) fucked Gloria Swanson and generally made a fool of himself when assigned to Europe. He had a lot of company on that last one.

If he did anything good, it was get John elected, who was the last financially honest pres. who wasn't going to play ball with the banking cartel and all that did was get his head blown off. Imagine that. The CIA/Mafia couldn't off Castro but in one successful afternoon...got the POTUS.

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/4/2015 6:01:55 PM   
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Given such things as the USA being so powerful and having so much of an impact on the rest of the world, when Americans vote, how much - if at all - is there a sense that they're voting not just for the USA's best interests, but for the world's? What are your feelings and perceptions?


It's hard to say, as voting still seems somewhat disconnected on an individual basis - especially for a national-level office like President. Also, when it comes to world affairs and foreign policy, both parties seem to go along the same lines, so voting for one or the other doesn't make a whole lot of difference, policy-wise.

The primaries and conventions might make a difference, since people (usually) get to vote from a larger list of candidates, although I never liked the way they handle that process. I think they should just have a national primary for all states on the same day - no more than two months before the general election.

I would also like to see a greater push towards more parties on the political scene, although there's so much inertia throughout the electorate that it seems we'll be perpetually stuck with the two-party system.

I think a lot of voters might look at the President as the "leader of the free world" and tend to be sold on the current national security perceptions and the US role in the world. Foreign policy has always been a major issue in most presidential elections, especially since World War II.

Our foreign policy has been more ideological in nature, as we will support "freedom" against "tyranny" as a general principle...sort of. It gets a bit complicated with all these tangled webs we weave, but I think Americans try to avoid understanding all that and prefer the simplified version. But if something is done in the interests of "democracy" and "freedom," then it's viewed as being congruent with US interests.

It's rare that the US government will tout its foreign policy as something solely for US interests (not since the Spanish-American War); they always sell it as being in the interests of democracy and freedom around the world. It's never for us, since we're this selfless, loving, compassionate nation which only wants to do good in the world and never asks for anything in return. This way, Americans can go to the polls and vote with a clear conscience, since all we ever wanted to do was help the world. At least, that's what the politicians say, and I'm sure they would never lie.

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/4/2015 6:47:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		My first priority is to vote for whoever I think is gonna screw me over the least.

Every foreign policy decision can have unintended catastrophic consequences on the countries involved, and around the world, but some are completely unavoidable and out of our control anyway.

It worries me that Trump "has a plan for ISIS" but doesn't know the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah.

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/4/2015 7:24:26 PM   
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It's funny: In a land where politicians love to hug the Bible, it's interesting to see what verses don't get much airtime.

"From everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required; and from the one to whom much has been entrusted, even more will be demanded." (Luke 12:48b)

"This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy." (Ezekiel 16:49)

"Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world." (James 1:27)

Not to mention the sorting of the sheep and the goats (Matthew 25:31-46) and the parable of the vineyard workers (Matthew 20:1-16).

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/4/2015 7:33:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tend to vote for the candidate who best represents my interests, which typically means the economy. As far as voting for the world's interests -- no.

However, I believe that a strong economy (and thus a strong U.S.) tends to be beneficial for other countries as well.

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/4/2015 8:50:45 PM   
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The CIA/Mafia couldn't off Castro but in one successful afternoon...got the POTUS.


Castro lives among people who love him...Kennedy went to Texas. One is an easy shot.

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/4/2015 9:00:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		PeonForHer We all have an individual view of the world and what is important at anyone time. I simply vote for the representative that most closely aligns with my view. If at the time I believe foreign policy is the most important I will vote accordingly.

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/4/2015 9:12:16 PM   
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Kennedy went to Texas.

In a heart-searing irony, the last words spoken to JFK were "Mr. President, you certainly can’t say that Dallas doesn’t love you," spoken by Nellie Connally, the governor's wife, who sat on a jump seat in the President's limo.

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/5/2015 3:02:41 AM   
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Status: online 		reading the first dozen of postings here, and as a non-american I sum it up like thus: nobody really cares about foreign issues, US economy first which usually includes exploitation of other's resources, hardly any clue about what really goes on abroad, simplifying as much as possible in good or bad, and a talent to choose wrong allies like just now againt IS

and finally wondering but not caring why US foreign policy is unpopular in many parts of the world

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/5/2015 4:55:02 AM   
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Given such things as the USA being so powerful and having so much of an impact on the rest of the world, when Americans vote, how much - if at all - is there a sense that they're voting not just for the USA's best interests, but for the world's? What are your feelings and perceptions?


given some intra-person consistency on a policy and position front, I vote for the person who I could see as a person id actually like to get to know and spend time with.

for me a part of that mix is the notion of America's place in the world and how we go about that. its interesting to contrast the relative isolationist thoughts of a rand paul to the more interventionist types. its hard to get a handle on which is the better approach.

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/5/2015 5:24:33 AM   
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Given such things as the USA being so powerful and having so much of an impact on the rest of the world, when Americans vote, how much - if at all - is there a sense that they're voting not just for the USA's best interests, but for the world's? What are your feelings and perceptions?



From my view, there are so many layers to the thing voted on that it can be bad or good, so the first thing I hope for is that the Americans who are bothering to vote grasp what is really on the agenda and behind the creation of the law or the law that the person they are voting for means for the future.

There have been actual laws written to force things to be written so the general public to understand them.

If you are asking about the who we are voting for... All I can say is, in my heart, I really feel like the general public is clueless about people.

I do not want Hilary to be the one to represent the Democrats simply because so many woman will vote for her just because she is a girl. I am not joking either.

For the most part, society will read one post, see one meme or one false story and take that to be the truth and won't ever look more into it.

I think people find out more information about their next phone purchase than they do about the candidates.


I vote responsibly and I care. Others do to.

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/5/2015 7:36:21 AM   
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reading the first dozen of postings here, and as a non-american I sum it up like thus: nobody really cares about foreign issues, US economy first which usually includes exploitation of other's resources, hardly any clue about what really goes on abroad, simplifying as much as possible in good or bad, and a talent to choose wrong allies like just now againt IS

and finally wondering but not caring why US foreign policy is unpopular in many parts of the world


Our foreign policy would be controversial no matter what it was. We never do enough. We do too much. We act unilaterally even when we have a coalition. We don't act quickly enough. We're too hasty. We're expected to fix all the evils in the world, and to stay out of everybody's business. And we're supposed to do it now. And to ask permission from countries that will stand in our way, but won't do anything themselves.

Considering those terms, I think we do a phenomenal job with foreign policy. We haven't nuked anyone in decades.

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/5/2015 7:41:26 AM   
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Given such things as the USA being so powerful and having so much of an impact on the rest of the world, when Americans vote, how much - if at all - is there a sense that they're voting not just for the USA's best interests, but for the world's? What are your feelings and perceptions?


Responsibility.. none whatsoever since what appears on the ballot are the hand picked figureheads for power brokers that have nothing to do with the lives of the citizens.
I doubt most people have voted "for" a candidate in decades. You vote for the least obnoxious of the simpering "bought men".

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/5/2015 7:45:21 AM   
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reading the first dozen of postings here, and as a non-american I sum it up like thus: nobody really cares about foreign issues, US economy first which usually includes exploitation of other's resources, hardly any clue about what really goes on abroad, simplifying as much as possible in good or bad, and a talent to choose wrong allies like just now againt IS

and finally wondering but not caring why US foreign policy is unpopular in many parts of the world


Of the people I actually know, am related to, or talk to often; not one of them thinks the U.S. should be playing Sheriff with a posse all over the world. Outside of the beltway; the only people I've even heard of liking U.S. foreign policy are the oil companies that get to pump middle eastern oil while our troops keep them safe.

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RE: Do Americans feel extra responsibility? - 9/5/2015 8:13:50 AM   
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My first priority is to vote for whoever I think is gonna screw me over the least.

Every foreign policy decision can have unintended catastrophic consequences on the countries involved, and around the world, but some are completely unavoidable and out of our control anyway.

It worries me that Trump "has a plan for ISIS" but doesn't know the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah.


It should worry you more that Obamas Iranian friendsn now have far more freedom to arm them

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