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ORIGINAL: bounty44

too much infighting, ranting tones, self-aggrandizement and talking in generalities. its hard to believe the rnc, or the voters, find any worth in this process.

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I didn't know much about Florina before this debate, but now I think she is one of the scariest candidates. She seems to like big government just fine as long as Republicans are in charge. She would have us at war with women, potheads, Russia, and half of the Middle East before the midterm. ...And she'd probably sing the praises of limited government every step of the way...

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really have no idea what youre talking about there...

but since you mention "big government", let me add: with little exception, most things in the country get done, and/or get done better, at the state and local level as opposed to the federal. its mind boggling that you liberals just cannot seem to either grasp, or accept that.

Fifty interstate highway administrations?
Fifty state nasa programs?
Fifty state armies?
Fifty interstate commerce commissions?
Fifty federal aviation agencies?

Well the real deal all of these things don't go state, is for obvious financial greed. No state FDIC, no state farm subsidies, no state financed TARP's, the federal govt. offering by far the best return on investment to lobbying for tax giveaways.

The capitalist can't enjoy near the socialism of his risk at the state level even though they make every attempt. Stated don't have the money.

Same reason Texas (or any state) wouldn't and Quebec...didn't secede.

apparently Thompson cannot tell the difference between MOST things (which is what was said) as opposed to all things.

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ORIGINAL: hot4bondage

I didn't know much about Florina before this debate, but now I think she is one of the scariest candidates. She seems to like big government just fine as long as Republicans are in charge. She would have us at war with women, potheads, Russia, and half of the Middle East before the midterm. ...And she'd probably sing the praises of limited government every step of the way...

I didn't watch the entire show, and I cannot even say otherwise that carly Fiorina is not a big government republican, but neither do I recall anything in particular to lead me to believe that she is.

which is a really roundabout way of saying, what's making you think she's "big government?"

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I don't think America has ever elected an overweight President

Five presidents have been “obese” according to the BMI. Taft 340#(42.3 on the BMI), Cleveland (34.6), McKinley (31.1), Taylor (30.2), and Teddy Roosevelt (30.2). Bill Clinton was overweight with a BMI of 28.3.Sep 28, 2011

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Why do you think that the u.s. has a right to interfere in the internal affairs of a soverign nation?

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fox would never host a dem debate.

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ORIGINAL: hot4bondage

I didn't know much about Florina before this debate, but now I think she is one of the scariest candidates. She seems to like big government just fine as long as Republicans are in charge. She would have us at war with women, potheads, Russia, and half of the Middle East before the midterm. ...And she'd probably sing the praises of limited government every step of the way...

I didn't watch the entire show, and I cannot even say otherwise that carly Fiorina is not a big government republican, but neither do I recall anything in particular to lead me to believe that she is.

which is a really roundabout way of saying, what's making you think she's "big government?"

She wants to expand the world's largest military and use it in ways that might easily draw us into yet another prolonged conflict in the Middle East, another cold war, another Cuban missile crisis. I'm not saying we shouldn't carry the big stick, but she's using reckless language and misleading us about our relative strength and readiness.

She wants to outlaw abortions after 20 weeks. How could a law like that be enforced without investigating miscarriages? That would require a huge expansion in the size and scope of law enforcement.

In the debate, she invoked her step-daughter's alcohol and pill-related death as a reason not to legalize marijuana. I guess that's understandable, but it's not rational. To her credit, she did say that she wouldn't interfere with states that have defied federal prohibition, but what about the rest of the world? As I'm sure you know, the war on drugs has been the antithesis of limited government.

I didn't watch the whole show, either. A good word for it, by the way. Seemed like more of a reality show than a debate. But i did see enough to be convinced that Florina is a socially conservative interventionist. Granted her version of big government would be a lot different than, say, Bernie Sanders' version, but to me it's just another type of statism.

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fox would never host a dem debate.

The question is, would democrats dare to debate when fox holds it?

I think fox would love to hold a debate lol. Put all their hardcores, like Hannity as moderator hahaha. Oh man!

It's a rating spinner, they should totally do it!!

This Bernie Sanders dude is such a nice guy though. I can see why his gaining popularity. Sometimes to be President, you just need to be likable by majority too. Need charm.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

fox would never host a dem debate.

The question is, would democrats dare to debate when fox holds it?

I think fox would love to hold a debate lol. Put all their hardcores, like Hannity as moderator hahaha. Oh man!

It's a rating spinner, they should totally do it!!

This Bernie Sanders dude is such a nice guy though. I can see why his gaining popularity. Sometimes to be President, you just need to be likable by majority too. Need charm.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

fox would never host a dem debate.

The question is, would democrats dare to debate when fox holds it?

I think fox would love to hold a debate lol. Put all their hardcores, like Hannity as moderator hahaha. Oh man!

It's a rating spinner, they should totally do it!!

This Bernie Sanders dude is such a nice guy though. I can see why his gaining popularity. Sometimes to be President, you just need to be likable by majority too. Need charm.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

fox would never host a dem debate.

The question is, would democrats dare to debate when fox holds it?

I think fox would love to hold a debate lol. Put all their hardcores, like Hannity as moderator hahaha. Oh man!

It's a rating spinner, they should totally do it!!

This Bernie Sanders dude is such a nice guy though. I can see why his gaining popularity. Sometimes to be President, you just need to be likable by majority too. Need charm.

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I don't think America has ever elected an overweight President

Five presidents have been “obese” according to the BMI. Taft 340#(42.3 on the BMI), Cleveland (34.6), McKinley (31.1), Taylor (30.2), and Teddy Roosevelt (30.2). Bill Clinton was overweight with a BMI of 28.3.Sep 28, 2011

Times have change though, fit is the new in! Bill Clinton never looked overweight to me, but I should google the pictures of other Presidents when I am free. I never hear anybody make fat jokes about Clinton, but poor Christie keeps getting ridiculed for his weight online.

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Why do you think that the u.s. has a right to interfere in the internal affairs of a soverign nation?

It's not about the right, they are dropping sanctions in conditions to a few things anyway right? So it should be in their conditions to be allowed random checks. It's called a negotiation of terms.

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I typically don't see the military and law enforcement included under the rubric of "big government." maybe they are to liberals?

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when people use that phrase, its been my experience they are talking about entitlements,

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 tax codes, regulations,

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 redundant services/agencies

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and the government taking the place of things people could be and should be doing themselves,

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or at a state and local level and just overall getting in the way of peoples freedom and abrogating their responsibility.

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i don't disagree that an argument could be made there for the "war on drugs" having a big government component to it, but that doesn't seem to typify carly Fiorina.

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 "state controlling economic and social policy"--which is a brief description of statism.

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It seems many republicans have been caught up in the "Obama is a Muslim" bullshit, even Carson is now in on the act, despite the Constitution stating Religion is no barrier to Muslims.

The republicans, between them, seem to be pandering to the lowest common denominator, fear. They also seem to be isolating minorities one group at a time.