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DaddySatyr -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/20/2015 11:07:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR Who on here actually opposes passing out free trigger locks? I do! [:D] I would spend the money hiring extra people to go round confiscating guns that aren't locked safely away. Can't do that, pesky constitution you know. I would only send people I didn't like. You do realize that the idea of trigger locks is to make them safe. With a proper trigger lock on a firearm it is less dangerous than a iron, or a butcher knife, so if you want to confiscating guns with trigger locks you must want to confiscate the much more dangerous irons and butcher knives. And I fully expected you to be the first to take a anti trigger lock stand, you have a rabid and unreasoning fear of firearms. How would you know who's firearms weren't stored away to your satisfaction? Surprise door to door searches? That pesky Constitution thing again. Sounds like you favor a police state, but of course only conserning firearms cause they are so evil. I just recently re-armed with all the bullshit and riots going on (and the officer, getting killed in his own home). Years ago, I had a gun safe (which I rarely used, because I lived alone). Once my youngest came to live with me, I re-employed it but he has been shooting since he's seven years old). When he left, I had already dis-armed so the safe was a white elephant. Since I have re-armed, I am embroiled in teaching one of the ladies how to use the weapon, should she need to (I won't be armed outside the house until I get the concealed carry permit so the weapon will be home). Since it is just she, myself, and the puppy, I don't know that I see a need for trigger locks. At the very worst, she's a gunophobe that won't go near the weapon, anyway. Puppy is a *very* smart dog but he can't navigate his way into the sock drawer. I believe that in some cases, safety can become a danger. If my weapon is in the gun safe with the trigger lock equipped and the ammunition is in a different room, by the time I get them all in the same place, where they can do me some good, I have, essentially, just invited the home-invading dirt bag to help themselves to my weapon. So, in short, I don't know that I'm a big fan of trigger locks. Michael

Kirata -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/21/2015 1:33:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr So, in short, I don't know that I'm a big fan of trigger locks. I have no need to be concerned about a trigger lock in my living situation, but there's a big difference between a three year old and a sixteen year old. I would think it a slick trick (excluding some affair that depends on batteries) to engineer a trigger lock that can be disengaged immediately if needed in an emergency, but only by its owner who knows the "secret," which of course nobody else can discover (see also: Swamp Land Specials). Yeah, no. Fooling a three year old is one thing, but much beyond that you're on your own. You can't depend on a trigger lock. K.

DaddySatyr -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/21/2015 2:32:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr So, in short, I don't know that I'm a big fan of trigger locks. I have no need to be concerned about a trigger lock in my living situation, but there's a big difference between a three year old and a sixteen year old. I would think it a slick trick (excluding some affair that depends on batteries) to engineer a trigger lock that can be disengaged immediately if needed in an emergency, but only by its owner who knows the "secret," which of course nobody else can discover (see also: Swamp Land Specials). Yeah, no. Fooling a three year old is one thing, but much beyond that you're on your own. You can't depend on a trigger lock. K. That's pretty much where my head is at; the lady that lives with me has tolerated living with weapons in whatever home she was in (except when she lived alone and the first two years of our cohabitation). She's not a danger to do something stupid. A part of her wishes there was no weapon in the house but she is well aware (and concerned) about recent events. Last year, when the riots reached Philadelphia, her eyes really opened up. I swear, by all I hold holy, that I am willing to take whatever steps I can to make my weapons safe as long as they also remain useful. What good is a weapon that can't be used, when one needs to use it (Dirt bags don't usually send notes or e-mails, letting you know when to expect them)? Michael

thompsonx -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/21/2015 5:16:20 AM)
quote: Surprise door to door searches? That pesky Constitution thing again. Sounds like you favor a police state, but of course only conserning firearms cause they are so evil. As was done durring the katrina fiasco?

BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/21/2015 10:29:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR Who on here actually opposes passing out free trigger locks? I do! [:D] I would spend the money hiring extra people to go round confiscating guns that aren't locked safely away. Can't do that, pesky constitution you know. I would only send people I didn't like. You do realize that the idea of trigger locks is to make them safe. With a proper trigger lock on a firearm it is less dangerous than a iron, or a butcher knife, so if you want to confiscating guns with trigger locks you must want to confiscate the much more dangerous irons and butcher knives. And I fully expected you to be the first to take a anti trigger lock stand, you have a rabid and unreasoning fear of firearms. How would you know who's firearms weren't stored away to your satisfaction? Surprise door to door searches? That pesky Constitution thing again. Sounds like you favor a police state, but of course only conserning firearms cause they are so evil. I just recently re-armed with all the bullshit and riots going on (and the officer, getting killed in his own home). Years ago, I had a gun safe (which I rarely used, because I lived alone). Once my youngest came to live with me, I re-employed it but he has been shooting since he's seven years old). When he left, I had already dis-armed so the safe was a white elephant. Since I have re-armed, I am embroiled in teaching one of the ladies how to use the weapon, should she need to (I won't be armed outside the house until I get the concealed carry permit so the weapon will be home). Since it is just she, myself, and the puppy, I don't know that I see a need for trigger locks. At the very worst, she's a gunophobe that won't go near the weapon, anyway. Puppy is a *very* smart dog but he can't navigate his way into the sock drawer. I believe that in some cases, safety can become a danger. If my weapon is in the gun safe with the trigger lock equipped and the ammunition is in a different room, by the time I get them all in the same place, where they can do me some good, I have, essentially, just invited the home-invading dirt bag to help themselves to my weapon. So, in short, I don't know that I'm a big fan of trigger locks. Michael Personally I don't trust trigger locks. A few years back consumer reports did a review of them. About a third didn't lock properly, giving a false since of security. About a third didn't unlock properly. Only about 1 in 3 functioned as designed. When I have bought a new gun, which comes with a trigger lock I toss it. However if someone wants one I have no problem with them being provided.

MercTech -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/21/2015 3:54:36 PM)
Most gun locks or safes render a firearm inaccessible in an emergency. The best compromise is a bio metric lock. At leas bio-metric tech has matured enough to be reliable. One thing to remember with bio-metric security is to program at least three different fingerprints in so you can open it even if you have a band-aid on one finger. http://www.wired.com/2014/05/sentinl-gun-lock/

BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/21/2015 4:10:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: Surprise door to door searches? That pesky Constitution thing again. Sounds like you favor a police state, but of course only conserning firearms cause they are so evil. As was done durring the katrina fiasco? Yes, and the city lost the lawsuit, of course they had destroyed most of the guns.

BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/21/2015 4:11:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Most gun locks or safes render a firearm inaccessible in an emergency. The best compromise is a bio metric lock. At leas bio-metric tech has matured enough to be reliable. One thing to remember with bio-metric security is to program at least three different fingerprints in so you can open it even if you have a band-aid on one finger. http://www.wired.com/2014/05/sentinl-gun-lock/ That could work, of course there are no kids in my home so I use the old fashon way. I keep most in the gun safe the others nearby.

BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/21/2015 4:59:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: Surprise door to door searches? That pesky Constitution thing again. Sounds like you favor a police state, but of course only conserning firearms cause they are so evil. As was done durring the katrina fiasco? Actually NO had required firearms registration some time earlier with the usual dismissel of anyone who said it would make confiscation easy it the city found an excuse to do so as paranoid gun nuts, guess they weren't so paranoid after all.

thompsonx -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/21/2015 5:22:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: Surprise door to door searches? That pesky Constitution thing again. Sounds like you favor a police state, but of course only conserning firearms cause they are so evil. As was done durring the katrina fiasco? Actually NO had required firearms registration some time earlier with the usual dismissel of anyone who said it would make confiscation easy it the city found an excuse to do so as paranoid gun nuts, guess they weren't so paranoid after all. I would be curious to know if any of those residents of n.o. ever got their firearms back? Years ago I was target shooting on a friends ranch and the sherrif came by and got all bossy and demanded my weapon. He radioed the numbers and told me it was stolen. Just a lying piece of shit who transmitted the model number as the serial number and of course many of that model had been stolen. I had to go to the cop shop whith my reciept and then they told me tough shit. If I wanted it back I would have to get a court order. It took me months to get it back. When they finally produced it they all thought it was funny how they had wasted my time just because they could. They joked about how many guns they got to keep just because most people will just give up.

BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/21/2015 5:29:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: Surprise door to door searches? That pesky Constitution thing again. Sounds like you favor a police state, but of course only conserning firearms cause they are so evil. As was done durring the katrina fiasco? Actually NO had required firearms registration some time earlier with the usual dismissel of anyone who said it would make confiscation easy it the city found an excuse to do so as paranoid gun nuts, guess they weren't so paranoid after all. I would be curious to know if any of those residents of n.o. ever got their firearms back? Years ago I was target shooting on a friends ranch and the sherrif came by and got all bossy and demanded my weapon. He radioed the numbers and told me it was stolen. Just a lying piece of shit who transmitted the model number as the serial number and of course many of that model had been stolen. I had to go to the cop shop whith my reciept and then they told me tough shit. If I wanted it back I would have to get a court order. It took me months to get it back. When they finally produced it they all thought it was funny how they had wasted my time just because they could. They joked about how many guns they got to keep just because most people will just give up. A few did. The city destroyed most of the guns, even though there was no crime involved(other than the cities actions). The citizens sued and won the lawsuit but the last I heard the city was dragging their feet and making excuses not to pay.

thompsonx -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/21/2015 5:45:18 PM)
I lived in n.o. briefly a couple of times. I love that place. I could even put up with the corruption if I could tolerate the humidity.

Wayward5oul -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/23/2015 5:12:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Personally I don't trust trigger locks. A few years back consumer reports did a review of them. About a third didn't lock properly, giving a false since of security. About a third didn't unlock properly. Only about 1 in 3 functioned as designed. When I have bought a new gun, which comes with a trigger lock I toss it. However if someone wants one I have no problem with them being provided. Seems like I remember something like the report you are referring to. But that has been awhile, and I haven't kept up with it. Has there not been any improvements since then, or attempts to correct the deficiencies brought to light by the report?

BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/23/2015 5:27:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Personally I don't trust trigger locks. A few years back consumer reports did a review of them. About a third didn't lock properly, giving a false since of security. About a third didn't unlock properly. Only about 1 in 3 functioned as designed. When I have bought a new gun, which comes with a trigger lock I toss it. However if someone wants one I have no problem with them being provided. Seems like I remember something like the report you are referring to. But that has been awhile, and I haven't kept up with it. Has there not been any improvements since then, or attempts to correct the deficiencies brought to light by the report? Last I heard the city was still dragging their feet. Making up one excuse after another. But it is one more peice of proof of the danger of firearms registration. Not everyone who wants to register guns plans on confiscating them when they find an excuse. But everyone who plans on confiscating them want to register guns.

MercTech -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/23/2015 5:28:34 PM)
I didn't think New Orleans had any firearm registration laws. Nope, registrations is for California and movies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Louisiana

BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/23/2015 5:34:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech I didn't think New Orleans had any firearm registration laws. Nope, registrations is for California and movies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Louisiana How did they know where to go? That doesn't change the fact that the confiscation was a constitutional violation.

BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/23/2015 5:43:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech I didn't think New Orleans had any firearm registration laws. Nope, registrations is for California and movies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Louisiana It appears that you are indeed correct, it was a door to door search, and not the result of registration. Still unconstitutional and illegal. And the city still refused to give reciepts for them and refused to return undocumeted guns even if the owner could provide serial numbers. Who has perchase documentation on a firearm that has been in the family 50 years? I realise you are not defending them just making sure the record here is accurate.

Wayward5oul -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/23/2015 6:06:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Personally I don't trust trigger locks. A few years back consumer reports did a review of them. About a third didn't lock properly, giving a false since of security. About a third didn't unlock properly. Only about 1 in 3 functioned as designed. When I have bought a new gun, which comes with a trigger lock I toss it. However if someone wants one I have no problem with them being provided. Seems like I remember something like the report you are referring to. But that has been awhile, and I haven't kept up with it. Has there not been any improvements since then, or attempts to correct the deficiencies brought to light by the report? Last I heard the city was still dragging their feet. Making up one excuse after another. But it is one more peice of proof of the danger of firearms registration. Not everyone who wants to register guns plans on confiscating them when they find an excuse. But everyone who plans on confiscating them want to register guns. Oops, need to clarify-I was asking about trigger locks. I remember reading about the Consumer Reports results when they were published. I just would have thought that there would have been some improvement in trigger locks spurred on by the report.

BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/23/2015 6:24:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Personally I don't trust trigger locks. A few years back consumer reports did a review of them. About a third didn't lock properly, giving a false since of security. About a third didn't unlock properly. Only about 1 in 3 functioned as designed. When I have bought a new gun, which comes with a trigger lock I toss it. However if someone wants one I have no problem with them being provided. Seems like I remember something like the report you are referring to. But that has been awhile, and I haven't kept up with it. Has there not been any improvements since then, or attempts to correct the deficiencies brought to light by the report? Last I heard the city was still dragging their feet. Making up one excuse after another. But it is one more peice of proof of the danger of firearms registration. Not everyone who wants to register guns plans on confiscating them when they find an excuse. But everyone who plans on confiscating them want to register guns. Oops, need to clarify-I was asking about trigger locks. I remember reading about the Consumer Reports results when they were published. I just would have thought that there would have been some improvement in trigger locks spurred on by the repor Yes that seems likely. But I have no current information. As I said, I don't oppose trigger locks, I just don't trust them. Even if they work perfectly the idea that they take 10 seconds to open ignores that in the middle of the night you have to find the key, find the gun, find the hole, and unlock it, far more than 10 seconds. But to each his own. Plus there are no children in my home.

BamaD -> RE: The Coalition to Stop Gun ...Safety? (9/23/2015 7:03:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Personally I don't trust trigger locks. A few years back consumer reports did a review of them. About a third didn't lock properly, giving a false since of security. About a third didn't unlock properly. Only about 1 in 3 functioned as designed. When I have bought a new gun, which comes with a trigger lock I toss it. However if someone wants one I have no problem with them being provided. Seems like I remember something like the report you are referring to. But that has been awhile, and I haven't kept up with it. Has there not been any improvements since then, or attempts to correct the deficiencies brought to light by the report? Last I heard the city was still dragging their feet. Making up one excuse after another. But it is one more peice of proof of the danger of firearms registration. Not everyone who wants to register guns plans on confiscating them when they find an excuse. But everyone who plans on confiscating them want to register guns. Oops, need to clarify-I was asking about trigger locks. I remember reading about the Consumer Reports results when they were published. I just would have thought that there would have been some improvement in trigger locks spurred on by the report. The most recent I found was a 2007 report on Engadaget Lockdown Trigger locks unsafe at any caliber.... Unfortunately I could not link it. It is written by Marc Weber "noted security expert". He has a very low oppinion of trigger locks stating that they are too easy to defeat and that all companies make them the same and that once they found one that could get past the politicians (noted firearms experts all) the rest made them the same way. Sorry I couldn't find anything more recent.

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