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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 8:05:15 AM   
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Id like to see non assholes stand up to their fellow assholes no matter what party, race, religion, and colour.


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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 9:25:12 AM   
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There are many on the Right of politics who aren't racist and loathe racism. But for others on the right, racism presents a bit of a dilemma. This latter group consists of racists or those who for various reasons tolerate racism.


The relationship of these right wingers with racism is more complex. Unable to openly assert racist politics any more, these people resort to a number of strategies to disguise and promote their hate. These strategies are often seen influencing posts on these boards. Among them:
*They reject the assertion that race is a major issue, insisting that the problem disappeared with legislation outlawing racial discrimination and other openly racist practices;
*They focus on claims of what they like to term 'reverse racism', or attack programs designed to turn around some of the worst effects of racism^ ;
*They code their racism in 'respectable' veneers eg birthers, anti-immigration and the like - dog whistle politics; and
*They claim that racial issues are deliberately created by the Left for reasons of political expediency.

A dilemma that confronts the Right is that a sizeable section of their support base is racist. They can't afford to alienate these voters, nor can they be seen to openly support their racist speech and actions. They resolve the problem by insisting that hate speech is free speech protected by the Constitution. Unable to defend the content of hate speech from their supporters, they instead defend their right to air their hate speech and disguise it as an issue of 'freedom'.

I sympathise with the many genuine non-racists on the Right who must be thoroughly embarrassed by some of the things the racists on the Right say and do. While some on the Right are consistent in their open opposition to the racists in their ranks, most tend to stay quiet and apparently hope that the problem will disappear. Sorry but this is never going to happen. Sooner or later they are going to have to confront the racists in their ranks, and dispatch the Right's long association with racist politics into the dustbin of history.

The sooner the genuine non-racists on the Right stand up and be counted on this issue, the better. They have nothing to lose - where else are their racist supporters going to go? - and everything to gain. More importantly it is the right thing to do.

^ I am not directing these remarks at non-racist Libertarians who for ideological reasons oppose AA programs and the like.

Very well put and what surprises, is that the real racists on the right are a small minority and of no real demographic significance. Plus, come 11/16, they will vote for the establishment repub anyway. So there is no reason to pander at all.

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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 10:00:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Id like to see non assholes stand up to their fellow assholes no matter what party, race, religion, and colour.


+ 1


I do it when the Democrats get out of line. If only conservatives and libertarians would do it when their parties and the people representing them would do it just as often. We'd have better government overnight!

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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 10:06:46 AM   
joether


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

There are many on the Right of politics who aren't racist and loathe racism. But for others on the right, racism presents a bit of a dilemma. This latter group consists of racists or those who for various reasons tolerate racism.


The relationship of these right wingers with racism is more complex. Unable to openly assert racist politics any more, these people resort to a number of strategies to disguise and promote their hate. These strategies are often seen influencing posts on these boards. Among them:
*They reject the assertion that race is a major issue, insisting that the problem disappeared with legislation outlawing racial discrimination and other openly racist practices;
*They focus on claims of what they like to term 'reverse racism', or attack programs designed to turn around some of the worst effects of racism^ ;
*They code their racism in 'respectable' veneers eg birthers, anti-immigration and the like - dog whistle politics; and
*They claim that racial issues are deliberately created by the Left for reasons of political expediency.

A dilemma that confronts the Right is that a sizeable section of their support base is racist. They can't afford to alienate these voters, nor can they be seen to openly support their racist speech and actions. They resolve the problem by insisting that hate speech is free speech protected by the Constitution. Unable to defend the content of hate speech from their supporters, they instead defend their right to air their hate speech and disguise it as an issue of 'freedom'.

I sympathise with the many genuine non-racists on the Right who must be thoroughly embarrassed by some of the things the racists on the Right say and do. While some on the Right are consistent in their open opposition to the racists in their ranks, most tend to stay quiet and apparently hope that the problem will disappear. Sorry but this is never going to happen. Sooner or later they are going to have to confront the racists in their ranks, and dispatch the Right's long association with racist politics into the dustbin of history.

The sooner the genuine non-racists on the Right stand up and be counted on this issue, the better. They have nothing to lose - where else are their racist supporters going to go? - and everything to gain. More importantly it is the right thing to do.

^ I am not directing these remarks at non-racist Libertarians who for ideological reasons oppose AA programs and the like.

Very well put and what surprises, is that the real racists on the right are a small minority and of no real demographic significance. Plus, come 11/16, they will vote for the establishment repub anyway. So there is no reason to pander at all.


If it was a small minority, why is it we see it so often? From Mr. Trump to any of the other candidates fighting for the same batch of moronic fucktards? If it was a small minority, even Mr. Trump would have stood up to the person that made a racist comment about the President; why didn't that happen? Because being conservative equates to be an asshole racist. The truth is, that racist is alive and well in America. And they vote Republican and Tea Party.

The next general elections, conservatives whom bother to actually vote, will vote how the GOP/TP dictates. They will not vote due to free will or a deep understanding of the people running for the White House. They will vote how they are told. From the nominee to the 24/7/365 conservative propaganda machines (some might accuse them of being conservative media....). The rest of us will vote for the only sane candidate that has a chance at the White House: the Democratic Nominee. Since we would rather have a sane and stable person, rather than a racist, arrogant moron representing the nation!


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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 10:07:45 AM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Id like to see non assholes stand up to their fellow assholes no matter what party, race, religion, and colour.


+ 1


I do it when the Democrats get out of line. If only conservatives and libertarians would do it when their parties and the people representing them would do it just as often. We'd have better government overnight!

But of course Democrats never get out of line.

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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 10:11:04 AM   
CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: joether


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

There are many on the Right of politics who aren't racist and loathe racism. But for others on the right, racism presents a bit of a dilemma. This latter group consists of racists or those who for various reasons tolerate racism.


The relationship of these right wingers with racism is more complex. Unable to openly assert racist politics any more, these people resort to a number of strategies to disguise and promote their hate. These strategies are often seen influencing posts on these boards. Among them:
*They reject the assertion that race is a major issue, insisting that the problem disappeared with legislation outlawing racial discrimination and other openly racist practices;
*They focus on claims of what they like to term 'reverse racism', or attack programs designed to turn around some of the worst effects of racism^ ;
*They code their racism in 'respectable' veneers eg birthers, anti-immigration and the like - dog whistle politics; and
*They claim that racial issues are deliberately created by the Left for reasons of political expediency.

A dilemma that confronts the Right is that a sizeable section of their support base is racist. They can't afford to alienate these voters, nor can they be seen to openly support their racist speech and actions. They resolve the problem by insisting that hate speech is free speech protected by the Constitution. Unable to defend the content of hate speech from their supporters, they instead defend their right to air their hate speech and disguise it as an issue of 'freedom'.

I sympathise with the many genuine non-racists on the Right who must be thoroughly embarrassed by some of the things the racists on the Right say and do. While some on the Right are consistent in their open opposition to the racists in their ranks, most tend to stay quiet and apparently hope that the problem will disappear. Sorry but this is never going to happen. Sooner or later they are going to have to confront the racists in their ranks, and dispatch the Right's long association with racist politics into the dustbin of history.

The sooner the genuine non-racists on the Right stand up and be counted on this issue, the better. They have nothing to lose - where else are their racist supporters going to go? - and everything to gain. More importantly it is the right thing to do.

^ I am not directing these remarks at non-racist Libertarians who for ideological reasons oppose AA programs and the like.

Very well put and what surprises, is that the real racists on the right are a small minority and of no real demographic significance. Plus, come 11/16, they will vote for the establishment repub anyway. So there is no reason to pander at all.


If it was a small minority, why is it we see it so often? From Mr. Trump to any of the other candidates fighting for the same batch of moronic fucktards? If it was a small minority, even Mr. Trump would have stood up to the person that made a racist comment about the President; why didn't that happen? Because being conservative equates to be an asshole racist. The truth is, that racist is alive and well in America. And they vote Republican and Tea Party.

The next general elections, conservatives whom bother to actually vote, will vote how the GOP/TP dictates. They will not vote due to free will or a deep understanding of the people running for the White House. They will vote how they are told. From the nominee to the 24/7/365 conservative propaganda machines (some might accuse them of being conservative media....). The rest of us will vote for the only sane candidate that has a chance at the White House: the Democratic Nominee. Since we would rather have a sane and stable person, rather than a racist, arrogant moron representing the nation!


You ignorant, generalizing twit...

Believe it or not, you...and others of your ilk...don't get to be right every time you use the word 'racist' just because you THINK you are.

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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 10:14:58 AM   
CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Id like to see non assholes stand up to their fellow assholes no matter what party, race, religion, and colour.


+ 1


I do it when the Democrats get out of line. If only conservatives and libertarians would do it when their parties and the people representing them would do it just as often. We'd have better government overnight!

But of course Democrats never get out of line.

They must not, because I'd love to see the post where he says so.

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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 10:25:51 AM   
joether


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what perpetually boggles my mind is how comrade bird brain continually posts things that bear so little resemblance to reality. we have called him "delusional" before---evidence continues to mount.


Let's talk reality and see WHO doesnt live within it. You are stating that racism does not exist within the United States. Or not enough to be a major issue for the country to contend with. I say it is a major issue that we should deal with. Given the facts of recent situations in US History, I would be correct in my understanding. Your just a partisan hack without a clue!

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
if there is a person on these boards WHO (not whom bird brain) I wish would go the heck away, its him.


Yes, because I am the one often showing the rest on this forum that your a FUCKING MORON! I've destroyed each and every one of your arguments while at the same time creating air-tight arguments that you can not counter. How do I and others know this?

The moment one starts insulting another, they have declared they have no further intellectual ammunition on the debate. Given that you run out after the first shot, while I have stockpiles is a telling example of this on many subjects.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
he offers nothing in terms of substantive material, or critical thought and instead seems to take perverse delight in juvenile accusations and semi-coherent ramblings that, as bama has pointed out numerous times, cast everyone who disagrees with his positions, as evil or uneducated.


If I offer nothing in substance, that is because its nothing you can understand. Those of us that are intelligent and education, understand I contribute much. This thread for example, I'm stating that conservatives are racists. That they will vote for a racist asshole. And they will never denounce racism because that would mean they couldn't vote for any of the GOP/TP candidates currently running for the White House. So between 'values and ethics' and 'money and power'; every conservative wants 'money and power'. That is what got the Bush administration in a whole heap of troubles during his time in office. That you can not understand things is not our fault....EITHER!

Who stated the following about "...juvenile accusations..."?
quote:


comrade bird brain


Oh, that would be....YOU...

If its 'OK' you to behave in a "...juvenile..." manner, then its 'OK" for everyone else to do the same. Dont like like? Then maybe you as the HYPOCITE should cease the actions in the first place! Between the two of us bounty, your the immature one here. By a huge factor and degree!

I have no doubt you'll insult me, or at least try to insult me. Thereby proving my point on 'whom is mature' between the two of us. Your immature by nature. You never learned to be an actual adult. Actual adults do not insult during a discussion. Particularly on a serious issue like racism. This nation has quite a rough history with the subject; to bad you can neither acknowledge or understand it.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
its one thing to be controversial or thoughtfully provocative, its entirely another thing, and not acceptable either, to be purposely ignorant, and with mean spirit---inflammatory.


If that was true, you would not be doing it yourself. Since you do it....EVERY POST...its fair to assume your full of shit!

Your ignorant and mean spirited. You'll vote for the GOP nominee regardless of just how racist the person is without a second thought. Thereby showing to every other American just how credible you really are....


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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 10:27:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Id like to see non assholes stand up to their fellow assholes no matter what party, race, religion, and colour.


+ 1


I do it when the Democrats get out of line. If only conservatives and libertarians would do it when their parties and the people representing them would do it just as often. We'd have better government overnight!

But of course Democrats never get out of line.

and whoosh, he completely misses the point again.
Fuck


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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 10:36:16 AM   
joether


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PATHETIC....

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You ignorant, generalizing twit...

Believe it or not, you...and others of your ilk...don't get to be right every time you use the word 'racist' just because you THINK you are.


Me and my "...ilk...." happen to be US Citizens. To which if your an...ACTUAL...US Citizen, will show respect. Can you muster that?

My side has been right more often than not in the last seven years. Your side advocated for wars that drained this nation's resources. Have argued for shutting down the government over stupid issues. Attacked the President in every way; including being classless, immature, and RACIST. Your side pushed to remove healthcare from tens of millions of Americas. Your side hates the idea that gas prices, unemployment and crime, are all low right now. That those on the left have more moderates supporting them thanks to realistic ideas and concepts.

As far as I see it, your 'side' does not have one leg to stand upon on any important subject facing this nation right now. Your #1 guy for the White House is a true representation of the 1%. An that person cares about you much less than the President cares about me (got a letter in reply to a letter I sent to him, WRITTEN, not typed).

I can list what the Democrats want to do for the betterment of this nation. So far, none of the GOP candidates have pushed for any such issues that benefit the nation as a whole. Why should they? They have ignorant racists voting for them. They know they do not have to be responsible or accountable with power. In fact, they could behave completely TYRANNICAL, and you would....STILL....vote for them without a second thought!

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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 10:47:20 AM   
joether


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Status: offline 		Here is a question for all those bashing me on this thread:

Why is it you can not perform one of the two following concepts:

A ) Stating you will not vote for a candidate for public office that supports racism (openly or privately)?

B ) Denouncing any GOP/TP candidate for not fighting against racism in the nation?

That is all that anyone is asking you to do. Why is either of these thought processes so tough to understand, let alone, state openly? Are we not a country of free people? Since the GOP/TP love to state that all the time. Yet, how free are we as a nation when racism is open and 'OK' among the GOP/TP candidates?

The answer is simple and sad....

It takes an intelligent, educated, and mature person to take either action. To realize that racism is a two way street. That you have never been on the receiving end of racism either means you have never encountered it (highly unlikely), or just to ignorant to realize you have (more likely the case). Racism, like any other form of hate, seeks to downgrade the United States of America. So attacking me, states your 'OK' with downgrading the United States of America.

I'm rather sad that none of you conservatives and libertarians (most especially the libertarians) can not understand the thread's purpose. Yes, it was to 'shock' you into action. I guess hatred, animosity, and ignorance grips your souls tighter than anything good, just, or honorable.....



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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 10:51:02 AM   
joether


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: joether
quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Id like to see non assholes stand up to their fellow assholes no matter what party, race, religion, and colour.


+ 1


I do it when the Democrats get out of line. If only conservatives and libertarians would do it when their parties and the people representing them would do it just as often. We'd have better government overnight!

But of course Democrats never get out of line.

and whoosh, he completely misses the point again.
Fuck


Maybe NASA should employ BamaD's head as a launch pad. Things seem to fly off and over his head quite quickly and without much effort.....

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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 10:52:08 AM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

There are many on the Right of politics who aren't racist and loathe racism. But for others on the right, racism presents a bit of a dilemma. This latter group consists of racists or those who for various reasons tolerate racism.


The relationship of these right wingers with racism is more complex. Unable to openly assert racist politics any more, these people resort to a number of strategies to disguise and promote their hate. These strategies are often seen influencing posts on these boards. Among them:
*They reject the assertion that race is a major issue, insisting that the problem disappeared with legislation outlawing racial discrimination and other openly racist practices;
*They focus on claims of what they like to term 'reverse racism', or attack programs designed to turn around some of the worst effects of racism^ ;
*They code their racism in 'respectable' veneers eg birthers, anti-immigration and the like - dog whistle politics; and
*They claim that racial issues are deliberately created by the Left for reasons of political expediency.

A dilemma that confronts the Right is that a sizeable section of their support base is racist. They can't afford to alienate these voters, nor can they be seen to openly support their racist speech and actions. They resolve the problem by insisting that hate speech is free speech protected by the Constitution. Unable to defend the content of hate speech from their supporters, they instead defend their right to air their hate speech and disguise it as an issue of 'freedom'.

I sympathise with the many genuine non-racists on the Right who must be thoroughly embarrassed by some of the things the racists on the Right say and do. While some on the Right are consistent in their open opposition to the racists in their ranks, most tend to stay quiet and apparently hope that the problem will disappear. Sorry but this is never going to happen. Sooner or later they are going to have to confront the racists in their ranks, and dispatch the Right's long association with racist politics into the dustbin of history.

The sooner the genuine non-racists on the Right stand up and be counted on this issue, the better. They have nothing to lose - where else are their racist supporters going to go? - and everything to gain. More importantly it is the right thing to do.

^ I am not directing these remarks at non-racist Libertarians who for ideological reasons oppose AA programs and the like.

Very well put and what surprises, is that the real racists on the right are a small minority and of no real demographic significance. Plus, come 11/16, they will vote for the establishment repub anyway. So there is no reason to pander at all.


If it was a small minority, why is it we see it so often? From Mr. Trump to any of the other candidates fighting for the same batch of moronic fucktards? If it was a small minority, even Mr. Trump would have stood up to the person that made a racist comment about the President; why didn't that happen? Because being conservative equates to be an asshole racist. The truth is, that racist is alive and well in America. And they vote Republican and Tea Party.

The next general elections, conservatives whom bother to actually vote, will vote how the GOP/TP dictates. They will not vote due to free will or a deep understanding of the people running for the White House. They will vote how they are told. From the nominee to the 24/7/365 conservative propaganda machines (some might accuse them of being conservative media....). The rest of us will vote for the only sane candidate that has a chance at the White House: the Democratic Nominee. Since we would rather have a sane and stable person, rather than a racist, arrogant moron representing the nation!


You ignorant, generalizing twit...

Believe it or not, you...and others of your ilk...don't get to be right every time you use the word 'racist' just because you THINK you are.


You forget that to Joe, and most on the left one definition of racist is anyone who disagrees with them or Obama, (to the kool aid drinkers it comes down to the same thing) that way they just scream racist hope to force us to divert to proving that we aren't when the only proof they accept is total surrender.
For example the absurd proclimation that all conservatives are racist, stupid biased and without justification. How ever Joe and friends think that if they repeat it enough it makes it a fact. Or worse yet they are so out of touch that they believe it. I notice that despite his proclimation that he calls out leftest when they are wrong Joe has yet to disavow La Rasa, BLM the "Reverand" Sharpton or the "Reverand" Wright.

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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 11:26:02 AM   
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Really? Is what follows the most your brain can handle? A simple sentence? You can not challenge anything else in my post by a very small, sub section?

PATHETIC....

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
You ignorant, generalizing twit...

Believe it or not, you...and others of your ilk...don't get to be right every time you use the word 'racist' just because you THINK you are.


Me and my "...ilk...." happen to be US Citizens. To which if your an...ACTUAL...US Citizen, will show respect. Can you muster that?

My side has been right more often than not in the last seven years. Your side advocated for wars that drained this nation's resources. Have argued for shutting down the government over stupid issues. Attacked the President in every way; including being classless, immature, and RACIST. Your side pushed to remove healthcare from tens of millions of Americas. Your side hates the idea that gas prices, unemployment and crime, are all low right now. That those on the left have more moderates supporting them thanks to realistic ideas and concepts.

As far as I see it, your 'side' does not have one leg to stand upon on any important subject facing this nation right now. Your #1 guy for the White House is a true representation of the 1%. An that person cares about you much less than the President cares about me (got a letter in reply to a letter I sent to him, WRITTEN, not typed).

I can list what the Democrats want to do for the betterment of this nation. So far, none of the GOP candidates have pushed for any such issues that benefit the nation as a whole. Why should they? They have ignorant racists voting for them. They know they do not have to be responsible or accountable with power. In fact, they could behave completely TYRANNICAL, and you would....STILL....vote for them without a second thought!
You ignorant twit...

Again, you make assumptions that fit your side. That's o.k. but you need to recognize that when you do it no matter what your side does, you're the partisan hack.

I've noted times when I thought a Republican was wrong, I've noted times when I thought a Democrat was right though admittedly, I do it far less often because I see them being right far less often.

What your side terms as 'racist' is anything that doesn't agree with your side's view of things. Against ILLEGAL immigration? Racist.

Against abortion on demand or abortion used as birth control? Against the teaching of how to engage in BDSM activities by Planned Parenthood? We're engaging in a "war on women".

Don't want the schools teaching your kid that they're special just by "being" and not by doing? Don't want the schools teaching your kids that they deserve a trophy just for participating and that there are no "winners" (because that's not how things work in real life). You're a "non-conformist" (remember when your side thought that was a good thing?)

Don't think it's your job to correct someone else's misguided views when you know that...no matter how you dot it, with derision or humor or a speech...You're going to be wrong? You must hold those same views.

Trump is an idiot in many ways. Obama is an idiot in many ways. Carson is wrong in many ways. Hillary is wrong in many ways. I can recognize all of that...can you?




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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 11:47:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		A ) Stating you will not vote for a candidate for public office that supports racism (openly or privately)?


A You voted for Obama twice even though he supported Rev Wright, the most blatant racist since Robert Byrd.
B Not being mind readers how are we supposed to know what a person thinks in private
C As soon as we do this you will then proclaim that since, in your mind, all conservatives are racist that we have to vote Dem.



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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 11:51:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		B ) Denouncing any GOP/TP candidate for not fighting against racism in the nation?


Sounds reasonable except that you define racism as anyone who disagrees with Obama. You and the DNC have reduced the term racism to nothing more than a meaningless political slogan and thus it has no affect on those who disagree with you. Where is your condemnation of BLM, La Rasa, Sharpton, and Wright? Your actions speak so loud we can't hear a word you are saying.

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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 12:53:37 PM   
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You forget that to Joe, and most on the left one definition of racist is anyone who disagrees with them or Obama, (to the kool aid drinkers it comes down to the same thing) that way they just scream racist hope to force us to divert to proving that we aren't when the only proof they accept is total surrender.


OK, OK, where are the Grammar Nazi/Police here....

Attack me for grammar Mr. Run-On-Sentence-Man!

Most on the left define racism different from you. They either have had direct or indirect exposure to it. Or, are passionate and empathetic enough to understand the pain and suffering one has endured as a result of it.

You can disagree with President Obama. As long as its about the subject and not the man itself. I have issues with Mr. Carson. Not because he is black, but his ideas for America are just fucked up! Yeah, the man is black, so what?

Many on the conservative side (enough to be nearly all) have attacked President Obama because of the color of his skin, NOT, because of what he advocates for the nation. Either directly or subconsciously. Notice this thread, BamaD? Why did I mention it? What was my motive for creating the thread? Here is a hint: Post 31.

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For example the absurd proclimation that all conservatives are racist, stupid biased and without justification.


Why are you against The Affordable Care Act and the Iran Treaty again? You did read both documents completely and understood them, yes?

I'll test you, because I read both documents. I'll ask the kind of stuff you can not easily find on websites. Why? Because I read that information as well. Think your up for the exam?

If you fail, you just proved my point. That the grand majority of your viewpoint is someone else's viewpoint. That they, and you, know your too stupid and uneducated to think for yourself on just about any important subject to the nation. Whose fault is that? You say your responsible, yet, you allow others to tell you what to think. Then you go a babble it and get nailed for being a fool! Rather than realizing you were made a fool, you attack back equally mindless and get slammed again and again. The intelligent and educated would say "ok, doing the same thing over and over without success and expecting a different result is insane!"

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How ever Joe and friends think that if they repeat it enough it makes it a fact.


Funny how conservative media has done that towards President Obama. That a high majority of conservatives in poll after poll state President Obama is not only not American but a Muslim. An that anyone that has watched conservative media can point out the tens of thousands of examples in which conservatives were told both concepts like they were true. Being that they held racist thoughts towards blacks, hatred of Democrats; it served to justify the narration that President Obama was neither American nor Christian. Even though many federal agencies (including the FBI) have stated the man is a US Citizen by birth in Hawaii two years after it became a state (the 50th state). And denied he is Christian, even though he states he's one.

You have been repeating that Hillary Clinton did wrong doing with Benghazi for two years. Yet, what did she do that was wrong given circumstances? Where did she break the law? If she had ACTUALLY broken the law, she would have been charged....BY NOW....

Yet, your belief system is she is wrong and criminal. Even though the only way to be a criminal in this nation, with our laws, is to be FOUND GUILTY in a COURT OF LAW by a TRIAL OF THEIR PEERS (or admit guilty). Neither has happened to Mrs. Clinton. So why state she has to be guilty of Benghazi or the current 'email scandal'?

You and others have stated that the Iran Deal allows Iran an easier time of getting nuclear weapons. Yet, if you took the time to read the treaty, you would find that's not so easy. Even if the treaty is signed, everyone knows, on all sides, in each country that signs; that the United States will....STILL...spy on Iran to see if they are up holding their side of the treaty.

Do you not posses the ability to reflect and look at your own views and the conservative philosophy right now? Objectively? Do you even know what it means to examine something objectively?

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Or worse yet they are so out of touch that they believe it.


Out of touch of what? There's a huge debt we as a nation have to pay off? That the human body breaks down over tens of years regardless of healthcare laws? Our nation's infrastructure is crumbling and breaking? Racism is alive and well because 1/2 the nation wants to ignore it? The deficit has been reduced below $260 billion? That the Pope and our President get along better than Netanyahu did with Rand Paul?

Oh, I can go on and on. And you...KNOW....I can go on on on with this topic. I'm willing to have real discussions on this board. To bad the conservative folks can not handle the basic concepts due to ignorance and immaturity....

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I notice that despite his proclimation that he calls out leftest when they are wrong Joe has yet to disavow La Rasa, BLM the "Reverand" Sharpton or the "Reverand" Wright.


Actually I have in the past....

Its on the boards if you look it up.

Rev. Wright creates more problems than helps. I voiced annoyance back then of the President listening to the man's viewpoints. But then, as President, one has to listen to viewpoints. Yet, unlike G. W. Bush, President Obama didn't surround himself with 'yes men'. He has people that disagree with him all the time. What your not understanding is, liberals do disagree with each other all the time. Unlike conservatives whom say "you either with us or against us" liberals will have some pretty deep and lengthy conversations on a topic. They will argue. They will talk. They will even bitch. Yet, over time, a consensus is met on the topic.

Most liberals look out for the poor, elderly, ill, young, and those attacked by the system. Conservatives are told what to think and do. Liberals what more federal dollars for education; conservatives want less. Liberals want more systems available to help the poor handle life; conservatives try to diminish those sources of funding (i.e. ACA). Pick the topic, BamaD, liberals right now, have the moral high ground.

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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 1:11:52 PM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		Why are you against The Affordable Care Act and the Iran Treaty again? You did read both documents completely and understood them, yes?


Obamacare is government control of something the government has no business doing, details of the bill do not change that.

The Iran deal, do you really think that having inspections has any teeth when you have to give three weeks notice?
Do you really think that having sites off limits which the U N has declared to be primary developement centers means that the deal is more than a scrap of paper.
And I suppose you like the idea of self inspection by Iran, if we could trust them to do that there wouldn't be a problem would there? And no it isn't in the deal proper, it is one of the side deals that make sure the deal is worse than useless.
And then you think that giving them the money to finace terror is good?
Indefensable.


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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 1:18:33 PM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		You have been repeating that Hillary Clinton did wrong doing with Benghazi for two years. Yet, what did she do that was wrong given circumstances? Where did she break the law? If she had ACTUALLY broken the law, she would have been charged....BY NOW....

She hung the embasy out to dry, never said that was illegal wrong but not illegal.
She lied about the cause along with the rest of the administration, again not illegal but wrong.
She exposed classified information and shared it with uncleared people that is illegal.
She could murder someone live on the evening news, proclaim that this proved the need for gun control and this DOJ would come up with gun control measures. There is no way they would prosecute her for anything but switching parties.

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RE: White House Calls the GOP Racists - 9/23/2015 1:21:33 PM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		Rev. Wright creates more problems than helps. I voiced annoyance back then of the President listening to the man's viewpoints.

That is merely stating that he is a ineffective voice for the President, far from disavowing him for the racist he is, and you still refuse to disavow Sharpton, BLM and La Rasa.

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