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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 5:23:02 PM   
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10 pages.....here we come!

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 5:30:32 PM   
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. . . One who is never insubordinate to his marching orders,
. . . One who would never dream of committing dereliction of duty,
. . . One who is fearless in the face of danger and adversity,
. . . One who can Adapt, Improvise, and Overcome, and hold his head up as proudly as any Marine,
. . . A man of honor, with a fierce devotion, a true devoté. . . A man I can be proud to call my own.

a man with the above characters never existed, even terminator was afraid at some point....

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 5:35:23 PM   
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if this all what this thread is about we can contact Harlan Ellison and ask him to rewrite the scenario and make the terminator extremely brave

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 5:54:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: notaBULL


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ORIGINAL: dreamlady


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ORIGINAL: littleclip

the term slave is a old one for a new use in the bdsm world, I like the term of a samurai who dedicates his whole being to defend please and serve his shogun

And that, my man, is the only use I would have for a self-professed slave, one who follows the warrior ethos. The best (male) slave is a dedicated soldier at heart, one who wouldn't hesitate to lay down his life to protect or to save his Mistress or Master and their respective households,
. . . One who is never insubordinate to his marching orders,
. . . One who would never dream of committing dereliction of duty,
. . . One who is fearless in the face of danger and adversity,
. . . One who can Adapt, Improvise, and Overcome, and hold his head up as proudly as any Marine,
. . . A man of honor, with a fierce devotion, a true devoté. . . A man I can be proud to call my own.

Glad to see that somebody of the male gender - of a submissive disposition, that is - finally gets it.

DreamLady




I agree, this is what the whole thread was about in the first place

No, this thread was about you declaring that slaves existed solely to provide income. Nothing in the quoted post mentions that. So you are contradicting yourself now.

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 6:04:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
I agree, this is what the whole thread was about in the first place

It's nice that you agree, but if that is what you meant, this is not what you said, to wit:

quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL
Slaves simply exist to provide income,


Generating income is the basest form of service that a man can provide.
[as defined by me]
1. Basic, Fundamental, Foundational -- not even up for dispute
2. Base, as in "lowest"
3. Or, the lowest form of servitude to another that a man can provide in a power exchange;
4. The most common form of currency in any partnership dynamic.
(Bartering is a more sophisticated endeavor, matching up supply with a correlatively matching demand, then negotiating for subjectively equivalent value.)


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ORIGINAL: alpha499
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. . . One who is never insubordinate to his marching orders,
. . . One who would never dream of committing dereliction of duty,
. . . One who is fearless in the face of danger and adversity,
. . . One who can Adapt, Improvise, and Overcome, and hold his head up as proudly as any Marine,
. . . A man of honor, with a fierce devotion, a true devoté. . . A man I can be proud to call my own.

a man with the above characters never existed, even terminator was afraid at some point....

Feeling fear isn't the issue. Fear is a basic, primal emotion, a warning signal. It's moving past and conquering one's fears, as in Overcoming -- Not going around acting like a sniveling, spineless coward, and then saying that this is how a "submissive" man is supposed to act. (Not that you do that, personally, but just saying)

~Wondering to self whether to start popping some popcorn for the front-row seat to an ass-kicking that will assuredly ensue when alpha spouts this off to a Marine's face -- Lol, to a whole group of Marines!~

DreamLady


Edit - punctuation

< Message edited by dreamlady -- 10/7/2015 6:05:03 PM >

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 6:10:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL


quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamlady


quote:

ORIGINAL: littleclip

the term slave is a old one for a new use in the bdsm world, I like the term of a samurai who dedicates his whole being to defend please and serve his shogun

And that, my man, is the only use I would have for a self-professed slave, one who follows the warrior ethos. The best (male) slave is a dedicated soldier at heart, one who wouldn't hesitate to lay down his life to protect or to save his Mistress or Master and their respective households,
. . . One who is never insubordinate to his marching orders,
. . . One who would never dream of committing dereliction of duty,
. . . One who is fearless in the face of danger and adversity,
. . . One who can Adapt, Improvise, and Overcome, and hold his head up as proudly as any Marine,
. . . A man of honor, with a fierce devotion, a true devoté. . . A man I can be proud to call my own.

Glad to see that somebody of the male gender - of a submissive disposition, that is - finally gets it.

DreamLady




I agree, this is what the whole thread was about in the first place

No, this thread was about you declaring that slaves existed solely to provide income. Nothing in the quoted post mentions that. So you are contradicting yourself now.


there is no contradictions here, you simply choose to see what you want to see, simply because you want to be right

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 6:20:03 PM   
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GEE WONDER IF

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 6:21:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL


quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamlady


quote:

ORIGINAL: littleclip

the term slave is a old one for a new use in the bdsm world, I like the term of a samurai who dedicates his whole being to defend please and serve his shogun

And that, my man, is the only use I would have for a self-professed slave, one who follows the warrior ethos. The best (male) slave is a dedicated soldier at heart, one who wouldn't hesitate to lay down his life to protect or to save his Mistress or Master and their respective households,
. . . One who is never insubordinate to his marching orders,
. . . One who would never dream of committing dereliction of duty,
. . . One who is fearless in the face of danger and adversity,
. . . One who can Adapt, Improvise, and Overcome, and hold his head up as proudly as any Marine,
. . . A man of honor, with a fierce devotion, a true devoté. . . A man I can be proud to call my own.

Glad to see that somebody of the male gender - of a submissive disposition, that is - finally gets it.

DreamLady




I agree, this is what the whole thread was about in the first place

No, this thread was about you declaring that slaves existed solely to provide income. Nothing in the quoted post mentions that. So you are contradicting yourself now.


there is no contradictions here, you simply choose to see what you want to see, simply because you want to be right

If I was seeing what I wanted to see, I would see this warrior that is being described. And you can bet your ass that if he were to serve me, he would sure as hell be serving me sexually as well.

But since I have no choice but to see what is actually here, I am left with seeing your verbal vomit and backpedaling that you are doing. Clue-take a lesson from The Donald. He is full of shit too, but he is better at backpedaling than this.

Edited to fix typo.

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 6:29:03 PM   
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yes, fear is a natural reaction that cant be be altered by any discipline course, and courage is the act of overcoming fear, fear is always accompanied by an unpleasant feeling of danger, or insecurity, but i can guarantee you this from experience , a sub can be trained to fear his Mistress without feeling insecure, and that completely breaks the literal definition of fear, unless this is a parallel world to our world.

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 6:30:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AQRMZ

GEE WONDER IF

299 HAS RETURNED??????

No, ya think???

Move over Columbo, there's a new detective in town!

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 6:30:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL


quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamlady


quote:

ORIGINAL: littleclip

the term slave is a old one for a new use in the bdsm world, I like the term of a samurai who dedicates his whole being to defend please and serve his shogun

And that, my man, is the only use I would have for a self-professed slave, one who follows the warrior ethos. The best (male) slave is a dedicated soldier at heart, one who wouldn't hesitate to lay down his life to protect or to save his Mistress or Master and their respective households,
. . . One who is never insubordinate to his marching orders,
. . . One who would never dream of committing dereliction of duty,
. . . One who is fearless in the face of danger and adversity,
. . . One who can Adapt, Improvise, and Overcome, and hold his head up as proudly as any Marine,
. . . A man of honor, with a fierce devotion, a true devoté. . . A man I can be proud to call my own.

Glad to see that somebody of the male gender - of a submissive disposition, that is - finally gets it.

DreamLady




I agree, this is what the whole thread was about in the first place

No, this thread was about you declaring that slaves existed solely to provide income. Nothing in the quoted post mentions that. So you are contradicting yourself now.


there is no contradictions here, you simply choose to see what you want to see, simply because you want to be right

If I was seeing what I wanted to see, I would see this warrior that is being described. And you can bet your ass that if he were to serve me, he would sure as hell be serving me sexually as well.

But since I have no choice but to see what is actually here, I am left with seeing your verbal vomit and backpedaling that you are doing. Clue-take a lesson from The Donald. He is full of shit too, but he is better at backpedaling than this.

Edited to fix typo.



you see what you see because you want this thread to go your way, and yet nobody told me how the Hegelian Dialectic is relevant to this thread.
hell be serving me sexually as well.
I thought warriors went to war, not bedrooms

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 6:35:42 PM   
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oh, warriors were the most fierce rapers in the history

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 6:47:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL
yet nobody told me how the Hegelian Dialectic is relevant to this thread.

Because no one cares.


quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL
hell be serving me sexually as well.
I thought warriors went to war, not bedrooms


then stop thinking

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 6:47:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: alpha499

oh, warriors were the most fierce rapers in the history



Bruce Lee was a Rapist?

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 7:00:21 PM   
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no Bruce Lee was a bully, he abused his power and used it against people who had no knowledge of any sort of martial art, however i did not connect the word warrior with martial art,i rather thought of napoleon army

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 7:11:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: alpha499

yes, fear is a natural reaction that cant be be altered by any discipline course, and courage is the act of overcoming fear, fear is always accompanied by an unpleasant feeling of danger, or insecurity, but i can guarantee you this from experience , a sub can be trained to fear his Mistress without feeling insecure, and that completely breaks the literal definition of fear, unless this is a parallel world to our world.

I am being totally sincere here. Whatever M/s dynamic that works for you, is your business and between you and your Dominant master. But inducing fear is not my vehicle of choice.

Why would I want my slave to fear me? I'm not the type of a Mistress who inspires submission and subservience through fear. If I were, then I would be encouraging negativity, and I do not invite negativity into my life. Period.

In the same vein, a loyal pet dog willingly and enthusiastically obeys me. . . out of love and devotion. [S/]He thirsts for my displays of affection, [s/]he hungers for every kind word and every show of loving kindness I decide to bestow upon him[/her], including what mercies I choose to grant.

Ha! Try to get a cat to obey you out of fear, and it will only end up backfiring on you in one way or another. Or in a dozen different, unpleasant ways.

All you'll end up with when you raise an iron fist so to speak - specifically with a punishment (& humiliation) dynamic - is a neurotically troubled being. Insecurity is a walk in the park compared to the whirlwind you will reap as a result.

Besides, I love it when the man I fancy begs for what he wants, without having to resort to begging for me NOT to [do or be whatever].


quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL
I thought warriors went to war, not bedrooms

In Greek and Roman mythology, Ares/Mars was the God of Sex and War. The planet Mars in astrology symbolizes BOTH sexuality, as one's desire nature, an indicator of sex drive and passion, AND of aggression (which can be channeled either positively as assertiveness or negatively/destructively).
He was also Lord of the War Victory Dance, a consort worthy of his partner-mate Aphrodite/Venus, the Goddess of Love, Beauty and the Arts. Isis to the Egyptians, and [Assyrian] Astarte* to the Mesopotamians, was the Battle Goddess of Love and War. These are ancient Archetypal symbols which have universal meaning and significance.

DreamLady


Edited to add: * Ishtar to the Babylonians

< Message edited by dreamlady -- 10/7/2015 7:39:28 PM >

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 7:31:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamlady

quote:

ORIGINAL: alpha499

yes, fear is a natural reaction that cant be be altered by any discipline course, and courage is the act of overcoming fear, fear is always accompanied by an unpleasant feeling of danger, or insecurity, but i can guarantee you this from experience , a sub can be trained to fear his Mistress without feeling insecure, and that completely breaks the literal definition of fear, unless this is a parallel world to our world.

I am being totally sincere here. Whatever M/s dynamic that works for you, is your business and between you and your Dominant master. But inducing fear is not my vehicle of choice.

Why would I want my slave to fear me? I'm not the type of a Mistress who inspires submission and subservience through fear. If I were, then I would be encouraging negativity, and I do not invite negativity into my life. Period.

In the same vein, a loyal pet dog willingly and enthusiastically obeys me. . . out of love and devotion. [S/]He thirsts for my displays of affection, he hungers for every kind word and every show of loving kindness I decide to bestow upon him[/her], including what mercies I choose to grant.

Ha! Try to get a cat to obey you out of fear, and it will only end up backfiring on you in one way or another. Or in a dozen different, unpleasant ways.

All you'll end up with when you raise an iron fist so to speak - specifically with a punishment (& humiliation) dynamic - is a neurotically troubled being. Insecurity is a walk in the park compared to the whirlwind you will reap as a result.

Besides, I love it when the man I fancy begs for what he wants, without having to resort to begging for me NOT to [do or be whatever].


quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL
I thought warriors went to war, not bedrooms

In Greek and Roman mythology, Ares/Mars was the God of Sex and War. The planet Mars in astrology symbolizes BOTH sexuality, as one's desire nature, an indicator of sex drive and passion, AND of aggression (which can be channeled either positively as assertiveness or negatively/destructively).
He was also Lord of the War Victory Dance, a consort worthy of his partner-mate Aphrodite/Venus, the Goddess of Love, Beauty and the Arts. Isis to the Egyptians, and [Assyrian] Astarte* to the Mesopotamians, was the Battle Goddess of Love and War. These are ancient Archetypal symbols which have universal meaning and significance.

DreamLady


Edited to add: * Ishtar to the Babylonians


I think you people on here are way too focused on sex, like Luba said:

"Let it go"

slavery is servitude and has nothing to do with sex, if a Mistress would ask me for sex, I would run

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 7:53:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
Isis to the Egyptians, and [Assyrian] Astarte* to the Mesopotamians, was the Battle Goddess of Love and War.

Edited to add: * Ishtar to the Babylonians


In Ishtar's case fertility and prostitution as well.
That woman liked to fuck, and from the stories, she was into some kinky shit as well.

Which is why my father named the children that came after me after "serenity", "God of music and laughter" and "desert rose/town of joy".
Apparently he figured out after the first one -me- that children lean after their names.

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 8:22:41 PM   
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I believe you are sincere and and you are just stating your opinion, i was also sincere when i said a sub can be trained too many different ways according to the psychology of the parties involved in the deal. and Yes notaBULL it is all about sex and affection. dream lady you forgot that i clearly stated fear ( of a mistress ) is secure, in BDSM fear goes parallel to the real fear we instictively know, but it is not the same, therefore it is rather a figurative fear or allegoric, a kind of fear a humam being can distinguish while a cat cant, danger at animals is danger. period.
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Why would I want my slave to fear me? I'm not the type of a Mistress who inspires submission and subservience through fear. If I were, then I would be encouraging negativity, and I do not invite negativity into my life. Period.
fear generates respect, in BDSM fear is a form of indirect humiliation which you cannot deny to your sub if you are a domme. and it is not negativity because it is in fact occuring in a different dimmension BTW i dont have a mistress as of yet no body wanna undertake this tremedous task of defeating an alpha male.

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RE: Definition of slavery - 10/7/2015 8:33:53 PM   
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notaBULL another question just hit me like a bullet, do you chose your mistress or you can be any random female's slave? if you answer yes I choose my mistress, where would the whole concept of slavery stands?

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