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Kirata -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 12:13:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 What does it cost to have a law that says you can't carry firearms in any public place?? Nothing. It is already illegal to carry a firearm in Chicago without a duly issued CCW permit, and I could find only a grand total of one CCW permit holder arrested for a firearm violation, not for shooting anyone but just for drawing his weapon during a dispute. Otherwise, the effect of this law which, as you say, costs nothing can be found on a website apparently dedicated to you: Hey Jackass! K.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 12:39:31 PM)
The problem LP, as I and many other non-Americans see it, is that Americans and their society have grown and evolved around gun ownership and the freedom to do so with virtual impunity despite various laws that prevent certain people from having one. Perhaps I may draw some sort of comparison (yeah, I know its not a good one)... Under Islamic laws, young women as young as 9 can be legally raped and the man can treat a woman worse than a dog. They can stone a woman to death just because she got raped. They can kill anyone that isn't a fully hetero-sexual person. They can legally kill someone who cracks a joke or has any fun with their religion. Heck, they even kill those who don't follow the same Islamic book that they do. In our western society, we would find most, if not all of those points, quite abhorrent and distasteful. But in their society, it's quite normal and accepted and is part of their laws in most places. As for the gun advocates, what a lot of you do in the US is also just as abhorrent and distasteful to us outside of the US. And to make matters worse, getting anything done with lawmaking seems virtually impossible with the way your legislative system is setup. Its no wonder that we (outside the US) find the average pro-gun American to be somewhat unhinged with their gun stance when it comes to guns and gun restrictions being kicked down the road when we see that it works very well elsewhere in the industrialised world (even in Switzerland where they also have a right to bear arms).

KYsissy -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 12:51:20 PM)
FR . . . I will bet he was on antidepressants. Seems like every time this happens, the shooter is on some meds. I know meds work wonders for the vast majority of people taking them but there are side effects for some. A good friend took Chantix to quit smoking. He had to stop because he was having suicidal thoughts, this was totally out of character for him.

BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 1:10:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 The problem LP, as I and many other non-Americans see it, is that Americans and their society have grown and evolved around gun ownership and the freedom to do so with virtual impunity despite various laws that prevent certain people from having one. Perhaps I may draw some sort of comparison (yeah, I know its not a good one)... Under Islamic laws, young women as young as 9 can be legally raped and the man can treat a woman worse than a dog. They can stone a woman to death just because she got raped. They can kill anyone that isn't a fully hetero-sexual person. They can legally kill someone who cracks a joke or has any fun with their religion. Heck, they even kill those who don't follow the same Islamic book that they do. In our western society, we would find most, if not all of those points, quite abhorrent and distasteful. But in their society, it's quite normal and accepted and is part of their laws in most places. As for the gun advocates, what a lot of you do in the US is also just as abhorrent and distasteful to us outside of the US. And to make matters worse, getting anything done with lawmaking seems virtually impossible with the way your legislative system is setup. Its no wonder that we (outside the US) find the average pro-gun American to be somewhat unhinged with their gun stance when it comes to guns and gun restrictions being kicked down the road when we see that it works very well elsewhere in the industrialised world (even in Switzerland where they also have a right to bear arms). It isn't a not good example, it is a horrible one. Yes we have been burdened with more freedom than you have, your problem, not ours. I don't care what non Americans think about it. How about that apology?

LadyPact -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 1:14:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 The problem LP, as I and many other non-Americans see it, is that Americans and their society have grown and evolved around gun ownership and the freedom to do so with virtual impunity despite various laws that prevent certain people from having one. Perhaps I may draw some sort of comparison (yeah, I know its not a good one)... Under Islamic laws, young women as young as 9 can be legally raped and the man can treat a woman worse than a dog. They can stone a woman to death just because she got raped. They can kill anyone that isn't a fully hetero-sexual person. They can legally kill someone who cracks a joke or has any fun with their religion. Heck, they even kill those who don't follow the same Islamic book that they do. In our western society, we would find most, if not all of those points, quite abhorrent and distasteful. But in their society, it's quite normal and accepted and is part of their laws in most places. As for the gun advocates, what a lot of you do in the US is also just as abhorrent and distasteful to us outside of the US. And to make matters worse, getting anything done with lawmaking seems virtually impossible with the way your legislative system is setup. Its no wonder that we (outside the US) find the average pro-gun American to be somewhat unhinged with their gun stance when it comes to guns and gun restrictions being kicked down the road when we see that it works very well elsewhere in the industrialised world (even in Switzerland where they also have a right to bear arms). So, what do you suggest, FD? Considering that you stipulate that you know we don't protect people. Tell me where it "works very well".

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 1:59:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD It isn't a not good example, it is a horrible one. I already admitted and pre-warned that it wasn't a good one. [:D] But it served its purpose in that for some societies, what appears to be normal and acceptable is totally abhorrent to others. quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Yes we have been burdened with more freedom than you have, your problem, not ours. Really?? More freedom? To do what exactly? Carry a gun in public or to own one?? I can own a gun if I so choose to do so. I have the freedom to walk anywhere without fear of being shot. A lot of Americans don't. I have the freedom to use any form of public transport without fear of the person next to me might be carrying a gun and could start a massacre at any moment. A lot of Americans don't. Our schools and malls don't have armed guards and aren't built like prisons. There are many Americans that can't make that claim. I can go hunting and shooting just like you can. So no advantage there. My kids don't have to worry about being shot when they go to school or out to play. A lot of Americans can't. So you think you have more freedom?? To carry a gun, yes. but for anything else, I don't think so. quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I don't care what non Americans think about it. Then perhaps you should. America could have a much better tourist industry and fiscally more profitable economy if it weren't for the prolification of guns. quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD How about that apology? For what?? [8\|] That I seem to remember you saying that you'd been incarcerated at some point or that you admitted to being convicted of a crime? You'd better come and shoot me then 'coz it ain't coming.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 2:09:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 The problem LP, as I and many other non-Americans see it, is that Americans and their society have grown and evolved around gun ownership and the freedom to do so with virtual impunity despite various laws that prevent certain people from having one. Perhaps I may draw some sort of comparison (yeah, I know its not a good one)... Under Islamic laws, young women as young as 9 can be legally raped and the man can treat a woman worse than a dog. They can stone a woman to death just because she got raped. They can kill anyone that isn't a fully hetero-sexual person. They can legally kill someone who cracks a joke or has any fun with their religion. Heck, they even kill those who don't follow the same Islamic book that they do. In our western society, we would find most, if not all of those points, quite abhorrent and distasteful. But in their society, it's quite normal and accepted and is part of their laws in most places. As for the gun advocates, what a lot of you do in the US is also just as abhorrent and distasteful to us outside of the US. And to make matters worse, getting anything done with lawmaking seems virtually impossible with the way your legislative system is setup. Its no wonder that we (outside the US) find the average pro-gun American to be somewhat unhinged with their gun stance when it comes to guns and gun restrictions being kicked down the road when we see that it works very well elsewhere in the industrialised world (even in Switzerland where they also have a right to bear arms). So, what do you suggest, FD? Considering that you stipulate that you know we don't protect people. Tell me where it "works very well". It works very well in every other industrialised nation on the planet. As Obama stated in his 17th address after a massacre in this year alone, every other industrialised nation in the world does not have regular massacres like the US does. It's no good asking the good American citizens to amend the 2nd or to give up their guns - it just ain't gonna happen and certainly not any time soon. Perhaps the US could adopt something like they have in Switzerland where they also have a right to bear arms? The way they have their laws organised and really enforce them rigorously might pave the way for the US to similarly have a right to bear arms without the regular massacres. At least an in-depth look at how they do it is a starting point, is it not?? As it stands at the moment, the US gun laws, or the people, or the enforcers, are a complete shambles.

LadyPact -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 2:37:03 PM)
No it doesn't. You as much said so yourself on another thread when discussing arranged marriages.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 2:49:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact No it doesn't. You as much said so yourself on another thread when discussing arranged marriages. Did I discuss US gun laws in the thread about arranged marriages?? And did I say that gun laws don't work in other countries outside the US? I don't remember doing that, but please do remind me.

LadyPact -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 2:54:31 PM)
No. What you said was that people can't protect themselves. Some of those women you talked about? A nine mm would have done the job just fine. So, tell me how we find middle ground.

PeonForHer -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 4:15:33 PM)
quote: Yes we have been burdened with more freedom than you have, your problem, not ours. Much more freedom to carry guns - but much less freedom from the fear of being shot, I'd say. It's always worth stopping and thinking about what that much-used - and abused - term 'freedom' actually means, I find.

MercTech -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 4:18:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Poor guy had a stiffy the whole time. I can believe that. Hoppe's no. 9 is not an aprodisiac[;)] Hmm, maybe I should wear some CLP as an after shave and do an empirical test.

thompsonx -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 5:26:01 PM)
No links, do your own homework for a change. If you can't be bothered to validate your opinions why should I?

BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 5:26:20 PM)
For what?? That I seem to remember you saying that you'd been incarcerated at some point or that you admitted to being convicted of a crime? You'd better come and shoot me then 'coz it ain't coming. The closest we ever came to that was when I pointed out that by having that mace, and carrying it in public you were committing a felony. You stated that you were sure that I had violated our weapons laws and I assured you that wasn't the case. Nothing in my history would have been possible in I had done time in jail including the pistol permit currently in my wallet. "I seem to remember" is just an excuse to attempt to put me down on your level in relation to the law. It is a lie fabricated by your need to deflect from your own refusal to obey the very laws you want us to adopt. You don't have to apologize if you don't mind everyone on here being reminded on a regular basis that you are a slanderous liar.

thompsonx -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 5:28:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Poor guy had a stiffy the whole time. I can believe that. Hoppe's no. 9 is not an aprodisiac[;)] Hmm, maybe I should wear some CLP as an after shave and do an empirical test. Think of all the "hotties" you have met at the range.

BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 5:30:35 PM)
I can own a gun if I so choose to do so. Really, I have a ten round .45 automatic in my pocket (which by the way I couldn't have bought if I had done time in prison LIAR). Can you own that?

Kirata -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 5:30:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx No links, do your own homework for a change. If you can't be bothered to validate your opinions why should I? Those were quotes, not opinions, and if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't need anyone to "validate" them for you. K.

BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 5:34:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KYsissy FR . . . I will bet he was on antidepressants. Seems like every time this happens, the shooter is on some meds. I know meds work wonders for the vast majority of people taking them but there are side effects for some. A good friend took Chantix to quit smoking. He had to stop because he was having suicidal thoughts, this was totally out of character for him. This seems very common. I would say over medication is more of a problem than guns.

thompsonx -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 5:38:47 PM)
Perhaps I may draw some sort of comparison (yeah, I know its not a good one)... If you know in advance that it is not a good one then why are you wasting bandwidth with something you don't think is a good idea?[8\|] Under Islamic laws, young women as young as 9 can be legally raped and the man can treat a woman worse than a dog. Why is it then that chicken hawks haven't flocked to this target rich "meca"? They can stone a woman to death just because she got raped. How many in the past ten years? They can kill anyone that isn't a fully hetero-sexual person. How many in the past ten years? They can legally kill someone who cracks a joke or has any fun with their religion. How many in the past ten years? Charley hebdo was not carried out by a government. Heck, they even kill those who don't follow the same Islamic book that they do. How many in the past ten years? No isis does not count.

thompsonx -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 5:48:18 PM)
Its no wonder that we How many non u.s. residents are included in that we? (outside the US) find the average pro-gun American to be somewhat unhinged with their gun stance when it comes to guns and gun restrictions being kicked down the road when we see that it works very well elsewhere in the industrialised world (even in Switzerland where they also have a right to bear arms). What laws do switzerland or cuba have that allow their residents to posses guns and not have the same level of gun violence we have in the u.s.? Naturally in both of those countries the government knows where every gun is since the majority of those guns were placed there by the government as well as the ammo for them. The numbers are also significantly less. The u.s. is a country of over 300 million. Cuba and switzerland together less than a quarter the population and a much smaller fraction of total guns. None the less neither switzerland or cuba have our issues or our background.Unless you can show some relationship it would appear that guns are not the issue at all.

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