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thompsonx -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 5:50:46 PM)

ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

No links, do your own homework for a change.

If you can't be bothered to validate your opinions why should I?

Those were quotes, not opinions,

 
A quote without a cite is an opinion.[8|]
 
 




thompsonx -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 5:54:38 PM)

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

No. What you said was that people can't protect themselves. Some of those women you talked about? A nine mm would have done the job just fine.

So, tell me how we find middle ground.

[
.22 magnum hollow points[;)] 




Kirata -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 6:19:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: Kirata

Those were quotes, not opinions,

A quote without a cite is an opinion.

Stick with that. I like you dumb. It's entertaining.

K.




BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 6:27:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

No. What you said was that people can't protect themselves. Some of those women you talked about? A nine mm would have done the job just fine.

So, tell me how we find middle ground.

[
.22 magnum hollow points[;)] 

LOL




lovmuffin -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 9:09:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Freedomdwarf1

What does it cost to have a law that says you can't own more than, say, 3 or 4 guns?? Nothing.
What does it cost to have a law that says you can't carry firearms in any public place?? Nothing.


On good, then all public places can be gun free zones. That awt'a bring out a few whack jobs and their guns blazing away at a bunch of sitting ducks waiting to get slaughtered. At what cost you ask ??? Lives!!

You guys don't get it, especially you Brits. The gun availability ship sailed over 200 years ago. 4 or 5 guns ??? Really ?? You're fucking clueless.




BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 9:19:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: Freedomdwarf1

What does it cost to have a law that says you can't own more than, say, 3 or 4 guns?? Nothing.
What does it cost to have a law that says you can't carry firearms in any public place?? Nothing.


On good, then all public places can be gun free zones. That awt'a bring out a few whack jobs and their guns blazing away at a bunch of sitting ducks waiting to get slaughtered. At what cost you ask ??? Lives!!

You guys don't get it, especially you Brits. The gun availability ship sailed over 200 years ago. 4 or 5 guns ??? Really ?? You're fucking clueless.

4 or five guns is more than most of these mass shooters bring with them.
Can't carry in public, right " I was going to shoot up a school today but it is against the law to carry these 4 guns in a public place"

Both are more about controling the general population than about stopping crime.

BTW did you see where he lied about my being a ex-con?




lovmuffin -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 9:43:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


BTW did you see where he lied about my being a ex-con?


Didn't you say once you were a member of the Dilinger gang ? I thought you told us all that you used to set off bombs at police stations. I seem to remember that[8D]




DaddySatyr -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 9:59:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

4 or five guns is more than most of these mass shooters bring with them.
Can't carry in public, right " I was going to shoot up a school today but it is against the law to carry these 4 guns in a public place"

Both are more about controling the general population than about stopping crime.

BTW did you see where he lied about my being a ex-con?



Actually, I'm a fairly middle-of-the-road type and I plan on having 4 weapons (two handguns and two rifles) in the house, at some point.

1 Handgun for me.

1 for the ball-and-chain.

1 Rifle (because we gotz wolves and bears out here in Pennsyltucky and they roam quite close to the house).

1 Rifle because I want to do some competition-type shooting (I'm thinking Steyr Aug .223).

I don't see that as "over the top".

I will (probably) keep the competition rifle locked up because I don't consider its use to be "in emergencies".

Just an aside for all you "gun nuts" (I couldn't resist). What would you recommend for wolves and black bear? Please keep in mind I'm not in favor of scattering buckshot all over the place.



Michael




BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 10:00:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


BTW did you see where he lied about my being a ex-con?


Didn't you say once you were a member of the Dilinger gang ? I thought you told us all that you used to set off bombs at police stations. I seem to remember that[8D]

Yep and I planned the Lincoln, Garfield, McKinnley, and Kennedy assasinations.




lovmuffin -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 10:12:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I get sick of people here refusing to admit that our laws, or the enforcement of existing laws, are inadequate


I admit the enforcement of existing laws are inadequate. Ya happy now ? In fact, pro gun people here have been saying this on these gun threads for quite some time. Why not crack down on the bad guys and idiots, enforce those laws not currently being enforced and see where that gets us before we start writing up a bunch of new ones.

One of the biggest problems is that many law makers want to legislate the Second Amendment out of existence and you know it. I know it. The American people know it.

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I am a firm believer that if we... responsible guns owners... do not promote responsible gun ownership then eventually laws will be passed making gun ownership very expensive and we will be limited in the type of weapons we can own and use... It will happen... people will not put up with the fear for our children in schools and in our neighborhoods let alone the fear to go to movies or malls.


FYI, There's this big organization that actually promotes responsible gun ownership. We call them the NRA.. Too bad they're so busy trying to keep law makers from legislating the Second Amendment out of existence.




BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 10:22:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

4 or five guns is more than most of these mass shooters bring with them.
Can't carry in public, right " I was going to shoot up a school today but it is against the law to carry these 4 guns in a public place"

Both are more about controling the general population than about stopping crime.

BTW did you see where he lied about my being a ex-con?



Actually, I'm a fairly middle-of-the-road type and I plan on having 4 weapons (two handguns and two rifles) in the house, at some point.

1 Handgun for me.

1 for the ball-and-chain.

1 Rifle (because we gotz wolves and bears out here in Pennsyltucky and they roam quite close to the house).

1 Rifle because I want to do some competition-type shooting (I'm thinking Steyr Aug .223).

I don't see that as "over the top".

I will (probably) keep the competition rifle locked up because I don't consider its use to be "in emergencies".

Just an aside for all you "gun nuts" (I couldn't resist). What would you recommend for wolves and black bear? Please keep in mind I'm not in favor of scattering buckshot all over the place.



Michael


Buck shot might kill a bear, but it would most likely be from infection.
If they are black bears anything over a 30/30 should do the job, assuming you can shoot which I do. If brown the absolute minimun would be a 30-06 and I would go for one of the .400 plus magnums. I know of a guy who organizes grizzly hunts in the far north. He won't allow anything less than an 06 and then he insists that you learn to shoot fast. A Grizzly will charge right through 3 or 4 of them. He preffers something in the size range but more volocity than a 45/70 or .444. any thing that will stop a bear will stop a bear will stop a wolf buy I would want something that could change targets and track moving targets better, maybe a Marlin 444 or one of the 30/30 lever guns.




JVoV -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 11:04:15 PM)

Damned bear racists.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 11:07:10 PM)


So ... I'm gonna need two different weapons for the wolves and bears?

What if I just trade in the .45 for a Desert Eagle™ .50 and use exploding ammo?



Michael




LadyPact -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 11:07:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
Damned bear racists.

Have you ever met a bear, up close and personal?





freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 11:07:22 PM)

Ok.... here we go again for someone that doesn't see the news for anything outside the US -

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Perhaps I may draw some sort of comparison (yeah, I know its not a good one)...

If you know in advance that it is not a good one then why are you wasting bandwidth with something you don't think is a good idea?[8|]

Under Islamic laws, young women as young as 9 can be legally raped and the man can treat a woman worse than a dog.

Why is it then that chicken hawks haven't flocked to this target rich "meca"?

Why do you think so many Muslim/Islamic parents take their kids on pretend holidays/visits back to their Islam-dominated countries so they can marry off their kids?

"An 8 year old little girl named Rawan died from injuries sustained within her young, immature body when her 40 year old husband had intercourse with her. The child bled to death in this perverted parody of a marriage after she was sold to her “husband” by her impoverished family.

It would be horrific enough if this was a one-time tragedy, but this is a regular custom for young Muslim girls, especially in impoverished countries. In 2010, a 13 year old girl (a 7th grader in America) died the same way – she hemorrhaged for 5 days until she bled to death after wedding night sex with her husband. Also in 2010, another 12 year old girl died in labor after struggling to give birth for 3 days.

Apparently girls are far easier to mold into “good Muslim wives” if you get them when they’re young. More than a quarter of girls in Yemen are sold into marriage before the age of 15.

The husband of little Rawan was not arrested. The parents of Rawan were not arrested. This was all perfectly legal, so Rawan’s agonizing, terrifying death is considered just an unfortunate accident in Yemen, with no more blame laid than if she had been the victim of a random lightning strike or any other unpreventable incident.

This is part of Sharia law. This is part of the “Religion of Peace.” Directly from the Quran:

“The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).” — Bukhari 7.62.88
"

"....Pedophilic Islamic marriages are most prevalent in Pakistan and Afghanistan, followed by other countries in the Middle East and Bangladesh. This practice may also be prevalent to a lesser extent amongst other Muslim communities, and is on the rise among the growing Muslim populations in many non-Muslim countries, such as the United Kingdom and the United States.

In countries like Yemen, Bangladesh, Iran, and Northern Nigeria, attempts at reforming laws and banning child marriages have been opposed and stopped on the grounds that such a ban would be un-Islamic, and in the case of Malaysia, the growing Muslim population has effectively turned back the clock on social progress by passing new laws which allow for the practice of pedophilic marriages specifically between followers of Islam.
"

Source (one of many): http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/09/its-perfectly-legal-for-muslim-men-to-rape-their-8-year-old-brides-until-they-die-2769368.html

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
They can stone a woman to death just because she got raped.

How many in the past ten years?

What's your fascination with exact numbers??
Surely one is too many!
Exact figures are probably unknown or not officially available.

Go do your own research.... but here are a few examples to get you started -

Stoning still happens today. There are 15 countries in which stoning is either practiced or authorized by law, even if it has never been practiced. In Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria (in one-third of the country's states), Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen, stoning is a legal punishment.
Source: http://mic.com/articles/68431/women-around-the-world-are-being-stoned-to-death-do-you-know-the-facts

An innocent little girl, Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow, aged only 13yrs was stoned to
death in Somalia. She pleaded for her life, a witness explained. "Don't kill
me, don't kill me," she cried, according to the man who wanted to remain
anonymous. Numerous eye-witnesses say she was forced into a hole, buried up to
her neck then pelted with stones by over than 50 men until she died in front of
1,000 jeering spectators. She had been accused of adultery in breach of Islamic
law, but sources told Amnesty International that she had in fact been raped by
three men, and had attempted to report this rape.

Aisha was killed on Monday 27 October in a stadium in the southern port of
Kismayu. None of men she accused of rape were arrested.
Source: http://pamelageller.com/2010/01/shariah-islamic-law-muslim-little-girl-stoned-to-death-for-being-raped.html/

Another Somalian female who gave birth to a stillborn child, was also stoned to death in front of a crowd of 200 in November (one of at least four Somalians to be stoned for adultery in 2009).
Source: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Stoning_to_Death

Saudi Arabia also stones people to death, and the barbarism is swelling as sharia law advances. In the last few years, a 13 year old girl in Somalia, a soldier in Pakistan, and a young couple in Afghanistan have all been stoned to death. On all occasions, Islamic sharia law was cited as the justification. In fact, all of the countries which maintain stoning on their legal books are governed by sharia law.
Source: http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2013/08/stoning--the-true-horror

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
They can kill anyone that isn't a fully hetero-sexual person.

How many in the past ten years?

4,000 lesbians and gays have been executed since the 1979 Islamic revolution. Methods of execution include; beheading, chopped in two, stoning to death, burning alive, and being thrown alive from a high building.
....Two unidentified gay teenagers were publicly executed in Iran this week for the crime of homosexuality. According to the London Times, the youths were executed in Edalat (Justice) Square in the city of Mashhad, in north-east Iran (Ross von Metzke, Pink News, October 10, 2005)
Source: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Persecution_of_Homosexuals_%28Iran%29
They also give the name, age and method of execution records for 152 individuals charged with homosexuality related offences between 1979 - 2007.
Also, recent reports in the media (in the past year or so), are claiming that there is a marked increase in gay executions happening in Iran and a few other countries.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
They can legally kill someone who cracks a joke or has any fun with their religion.
How many in the past ten years? Charley hebdo was not carried out by a government.

No, but it was carried out by Islamists who firmly believe that that any irreverence to Islam is punishable by death.
There have been many reported cases of the death penalty under blasphemy laws, mainly in Pakistan.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan also has in its penal code laws that prohibit and punish blasphemy against Islam ranging from a fine to death. The Criminal courts often decides a case of blasphemy on the basis of public emotions and political interests rather than the divine writ. Pakistan’s Criminal Code has its blasphemy laws. For instance, code 295 forbids damaging or defiling a place of worship or a sacred object, code 296A forbids outraging religious feelings, code 295 B forbids defiling the Quran, code 295 C forbids defaming Prophet Muhammad. Defiling the Quran in punishable by imprisonment for life and defaming Prophet Muhammad by death with or without a fine.
Source: http://www.islamicity.org/4274/is-blaspheme-punishable-by-death-in-islam/

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Heck, they even kill those who don't follow the same Islamic book that they do.

How many in the past ten years? No isis does not count.

Count ALL the deaths that have happened between the warring Sunni and Shea factions of Islam.
That would probably run into the tens (maybe even hundreds) of thousands, just because they follow the other side.




lovmuffin -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 11:33:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Just an aside for all you "gun nuts" (I couldn't resist). What would you recommend for wolves and black bear? Please keep in mind I'm not in favor of scattering buckshot all over the place.


There are many choices to consider depending on the likely range you might encounter a dangerous animal such as a bear. Up close within less than 50 yards, a .44 magnum handgun is a gun is a good choice. You can draw and aim it quickly plus it's easy to carry. Another choice is pepper spray. I carry it for black bears when I'm out walking my dogs. We have one that frequents the neighborhood where I live. Within 20 feet it will stop a bear and I'm sure a wolf as the shit works well on visious dogs too. I carry a magnum canister that sprays a wide fog out to 20 feet. I'm convinced that FOX brand pepper spray is the very best. Google it to learn more and pick a canister that suits your needs. The downside to a pepper spray fogger is if it's too windy and you have to shoot up wind, yer fucked. Potent pepper spay has been known to stop a charging grizzly.




BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 11:49:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Damned bear racists.

Only if they become a threat.
Of course bear are almost extict in AL.
I haven't even heard of wolfs in the state.
Some suburbs had a problem with coyotes a few years ago but they seem to have gotten that taken care off.




BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/4/2015 11:56:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


So ... I'm gonna need two different weapons for the wolves and bears?

What if I just trade in the .45 for a Desert Eagle™ .50 and use exploding ammo?



Michael


What kind of bear do you have?
If they are black bears maybe even brown, a Marlin .444 or 45/70 or the rossi model 94 clone in 45/70 if you can handle the recoil should do the job.
With black bears an 06 carbine would also do the job, and like I said earlier, if you are a good shot a 30/30 should be adequate. The larger calibers would give you a safety margine as long as it allowes rapid reaiming. I need to give one qualifier. I have never hunted either, but have read what several experts have to say on the matter.

As far as the .50 is conserned, if you can handle it may well do the job. I didn't think exploding rounds were legal for civilians.




BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/5/2015 12:01:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Just an aside for all you "gun nuts" (I couldn't resist). What would you recommend for wolves and black bear? Please keep in mind I'm not in favor of scattering buckshot all over the place.


There are many choices to consider depending on the likely range you might encounter a dangerous animal such as a bear. Up close within less than 50 yards, a .44 magnum handgun is a gun is a good choice. You can draw and aim it quickly plus it's easy to carry. Another choice is pepper spray. I carry it for black bears when I'm out walking my dogs. We have one that frequents the neighborhood where I live. Within 20 feet it will stop a bear and I'm sure a wolf as the shit works well on visious dogs too. I carry a magnum canister that sprays a wide fog out to 20 feet. I'm convinced that FOX brand pepper spray is the very best. Google it to learn more and pick a canister that suits your needs. The downside to a pepper spray fogger is if it's too windy and you have to shoot up wind, yer fucked. Potent pepper spay has been known to stop a charging grizzly.

I have read where forest rangers say that pepper spray will only make a bear mad. And you are correct, at close range a .44 mag is as lethal as a 30/30.




jlf1961 -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/5/2015 12:04:44 AM)

For our Citizens of the UK, a question.

How well did that no private gun policy work in Northern Ireland?

Now granted it worked real well on April 13 1919, didnt it?

And has taken and restricting private gun ownership solved the problem of violence related deaths? It seems to me that people that cant get a gun are finding ways to kill other folks, so does that mean it is a problem of intent, or a problem of gun ownership?

And of course the fact that Timothy McVeigh did not use a gun for his act of mass murder seems to fall on deaf ears, as a one in a million act. How about Rudolf and the Olympic park killings in Atlanta, he used a what?

Now gee, I was there, I dont remember gun shots, but I do remember a freaking bomb exploding.

Let us look at the killings at the Boston Marathon, hmm, I remember pressure cookers discussed, but no guns. Thats because it was two IED's.

Yep, take the guns out of the hands lawful citizens and mass killings stop.

How about this idea, instead of trying to get rid of guns, why not come up with some sensible and reasonable gun laws that can be enforced?

And the idea that limiting the number of guns a person can own, thats bullshit and violates the 2nd amendment.




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