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lovmuffin -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/5/2015 1:35:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Just an aside for all you "gun nuts" (I couldn't resist). What would you recommend for wolves and black bear? Please keep in mind I'm not in favor of scattering buckshot all over the place. There are many choices to consider depending on the likely range you might encounter a dangerous animal such as a bear. Up close within less than 50 yards, a .44 magnum handgun is a gun is a good choice. You can draw and aim it quickly plus it's easy to carry. Another choice is pepper spray. I carry it for black bears when I'm out walking my dogs. We have one that frequents the neighborhood where I live. Within 20 feet it will stop a bear and I'm sure a wolf as the shit works well on visious dogs too. I carry a magnum canister that sprays a wide fog out to 20 feet. I'm convinced that FOX brand pepper spray is the very best. Google it to learn more and pick a canister that suits your needs. The downside to a pepper spray fogger is if it's too windy and you have to shoot up wind, yer fucked. Potent pepper spay has been known to stop a charging grizzly. I have read where forest rangers say that pepper spray will only make a bear mad. And you are correct, at close range a .44 mag is as lethal as a 30/30. Check this out. http://www.backpacker.com/gear/experts/ask-buck/does-bear-spray-really-work/ I bought some bear spray at a mountain store in Idaho for when I was fishing mountain lakes and streams. It makes me quite nervous when carrying a string of trout back to my vehicle or down a trail and run into a set of fresh bear tracks. All I had at the time was .357 - 158 grain hollow points in my 6 shooter, probably adiquet but certainly not optimal. The bear spray was possibly a better option as it shoots up to 23 feet in a cone shape fog. The FOX spray I have (another fogger) is some real nasty stuff. It doesn't shoot quite that far but it's more potent than my bear spray. I tested these on myself by doing a short test burst and taking a tiny amount on my finger off the board I shot at and dabbing it about an inch or so under one eye. That FOX shit is the nastiest stuff I have ever tested. A tiny amount under the eye burns like a bitch. Most likely a bear will run from you, grizzly and polar bears not included, yet, if you're familiar with bears, we all know they're unpredictable, especially when you smell like fish. I would hate to startle one in close proximity holding the leashes on two dogs, freaking pandemonium. If a bear thinks he's cornered, he will likely attack. ETA Check this out too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-n51xxF8K8

JVoV -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/5/2015 3:21:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Damned bear racists. Have you ever met a bear, up close and personal? Sure. I have 5 acres in the boonies. I've never been in a position that I had to shoot one though. Mostly, I see them out digging through the trash cans for food. But there's no need for racial profiling, geez.

LadyPact -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/5/2015 5:48:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Sure. I have 5 acres in the boonies. I've never been in a position that I had to shoot one though. Mostly, I see them out digging through the trash cans for food. But there's no need for racial profiling, geez. I'm glad to see you have a sense of humor. [:D] I didn't know you had bears in Florida. I'm used to the bear population being more in the northern regions. More like places that snow in the winter. Oh, we got the serious wildlife lecture when we got stationed in AK. Yes, once they have been in the trash, even if they don't find anything edible, if they smell food, they keep coming back hoping there will be food. Even things like chewing gum wrappers or empty soda cans. Once they smell that sweet, they are coming back.

BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/5/2015 8:20:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Sure. I have 5 acres in the boonies. I've never been in a position that I had to shoot one though. Mostly, I see them out digging through the trash cans for food. But there's no need for racial profiling, geez. I'm glad to see you have a sense of humor. [:D] I didn't know you had bears in Florida. I'm used to the bear population being more in the northern regions. More like places that snow in the winter. Oh, we got the serious wildlife lecture when we got stationed in AK. Yes, once they have been in the trash, even if they don't find anything edible, if they smell food, they keep coming back hoping there will be food. Even things like chewing gum wrappers or empty soda cans. Once they smell that sweet, they are coming back. He is dealing with black bears, you with brown, totally different beast. I used to work for a hunting "club" as a telemarketer (we all have dark things in our past but I had to eat) and talked to this woman from the north east. Maine or NH. Her husband was from France and as soon as he became a citizen and could do so he bought a gun (mainly because he grew up in a place where they were taboo so he thought it would be cool). She was putting food out on the poarch for a black bear that wandered around the area. She thought bears were herbavoirs. She was also afraid that her husband might kill the bear with her .22 rifle. I did my best to educate her about what was going to happen when she didn't have food out there and what would happen if he shot the bear with a .22. She was shocked.

Kirata -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/5/2015 9:50:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin There are many choices to consider depending on the likely range you might encounter a dangerous animal such as a bear. Here's one I bet you never thought of... Hunter escapes attack by shoving arm down bear's throat K.

BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/5/2015 9:57:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin There are many choices to consider depending on the likely range you might encounter a dangerous animal such as a bear. Here's one I bet you never thought of... Hunter escapes attack by shoving arm down bear's throat K. Like running, this is what you do when all else fails.

jlf1961 -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/6/2015 12:23:40 AM)
Actually, I have it on good authority that tree huggers are providing guns to game animals.

BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/6/2015 12:52:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Actually, I have it on good authority that tree huggers are providing guns to game animals. I have the t-shirt "I support the right to arm bears" A checkout at Walmart thought it was a anti-hunting t-shirt.

joether -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/6/2015 3:49:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Because owning 300+ Wii games is perfectly normal? Because owning 82 different fishing rods is perfectly normal? Because owning 437 skeins of yarn is perfectly normal? Because owning 289 action figures in their packages is normal? There are these things called "hobbies." And people who do these hobby things tend to collect things related to their hobby. Really? Mowing down a class room of kids is a 'hobby' to you?

joether -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/6/2015 3:52:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Actually, I have it on good authority that tree huggers are providing guns to game animals. I have the t-shirt "I support the right to arm bears" A checkout at Walmart thought it was a anti-hunting t-shirt. Wouldn't that be unconsensual to do to the bear? Maybe he likes his fur on his arms?

BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/6/2015 4:16:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Actually, I have it on good authority that tree huggers are providing guns to game animals. I have the t-shirt "I support the right to arm bears" A checkout at Walmart thought it was a anti-hunting t-shirt. The right, not a requirement. Wouldn't that be unconsensual to do to the bear? Maybe he likes his fur on his arms?

Kirata -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/6/2015 5:29:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Because owning 300+ Wii games is perfectly normal? Because owning 82 different fishing rods is perfectly normal? Because owning 437 skeins of yarn is perfectly normal? Because owning 289 action figures in their packages is normal? There are these things called "hobbies." And people who do these hobby things tend to collect things related to their hobby. Really? Mowing down a class room of kids is a 'hobby' to you? That was uncalled for. Maybe you should take up reading comprehension as a hobby. K.

Wayward5oul -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/6/2015 5:43:06 AM)
quote: That was uncalled for. Maybe you should take up reading comprehension as a hobby. K. [/font][/size] I think I'm breaking the rules here, mine and the forums' because you're not supposed to comment on posts that you can't see. But since you quoted it and I saw yours I'm finding that I can't "unsee" this post and I can't stop myself from commenting about how low this remark was. And shameful.

lovmuffin -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/6/2015 6:13:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin There are many choices to consider depending on the likely range you might encounter a dangerous animal such as a bear. Here's one I bet you never thought of... Hunter escapes attack by shoving arm down bear's throat K. I'm going to keep that one in mind. I've heard the same sort of thing works on a lion using a stick though.

lovmuffin -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/6/2015 6:18:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: That was uncalled for. Maybe you should take up reading comprehension as a hobby. K. [/font][/size] I think I'm breaking the rules here, mine and the forums' because you're not supposed to comment on posts that you can't see. But since you quoted it and I saw yours I'm finding that I can't "unsee" this post and I can't stop myself from commenting about how low this remark was. And shameful. The same mentality and the same sort of thing some of our lawmakers would say. I'm glad he doesn't rule the world.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/6/2015 6:42:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Because owning 300+ Wii games is perfectly normal? Because owning 82 different fishing rods is perfectly normal? Because owning 437 skeins of yarn is perfectly normal? Because owning 289 action figures in their packages is normal? There are these things called "hobbies." And people who do these hobby things tend to collect things related to their hobby. Really? Mowing down a class room of kids is a 'hobby' to you? This from the boy who claims he only offers up facts and arguments, never stooping to 'just personal attacks'. This is low, you fucking twit.

stef -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/6/2015 10:38:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Really? Mowing down a class room of kids is a 'hobby' to you? And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

Kirata -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/6/2015 11:35:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: joether Really? Mowing down a class room of kids is a 'hobby' to you? And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously. Oh, he knows why. It's because they're hateful, ignorant, and in league with the Devil. K.

cloudboy -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/6/2015 1:13:31 PM)
Fast Reply: Read today that the mother and son both had Asperger's. She and her son were both gun enthusiasts, and oddly the father (divorced) knew nothing about this. The mother had feared the government taking her guns away, and the father (after the shooting) lamented the need for stricter gun-laws. In a vivid description of the attack unfolding, it was reported that a neighbor alerted the mother to a shooting at the college -- so that the mother could maybe protect or warn her child about it. Then the police came and informed her that her son was the shooter, which she initially said could not be the case. To me this is a text book example of gun-angst. The mother was knowledgeable about guns and seemingly responsible about them. She was also eager to protect her home. All her efforts and hopes were undone by unintended consequences.

BamaD -> RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms (10/6/2015 3:27:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Fast Reply: Read today that the mother and son both had Asperger's. She and her son were both gun enthusiasts, and oddly the father (divorced) knew nothing about this. The mother had feared the government taking her guns away, and the father (after the shooting) lamented the need for stricter gun-laws. In a vivid description of the attack unfolding, it was reported that a neighbor alerted the mother to a shooting at the college -- so that the mother could maybe protect or warn her child about it. Then the police came and informed her that her son was the shooter, which she initially said could not be the case. To me this is a text book example of gun-angst. The mother was knowledgeable about guns and seemingly responsible about them. She was also eager to protect her home. All her efforts and hopes were undone by unintended consequences. Nothing in your theory explains him targeting people of faith. It looks more like a textbook case of an anti religious bigot getting rid of the people he hated. PS the father is English so he gave the typical English knee jerk reaction acording to his upbringing. What would you expect, that he would stand of there and say that his son was some kind of monster.

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