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PeonForHer -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 5:27:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Which is what I use the semi auto rifles for. Get a pack of those monsters and you want to put as many rounds down range as possible. If it were legal, I would hunt them with machine guns.


The ones in the Forest of Dean are feral, too. Apparently, sixty of them were released illegally in 2004. Here, the advice is mainly to give them a wide berth when seen, and most especially when there are newborns around. Dogs have come a cropper with them, though no people as yet.






PeonForHer -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 5:31:00 AM)

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YOu have questioned many aspects of the types and calibers of weapons I own...


This bit only just caught me. When have I done that? I've always freely admitted I don't know the first thing about guns and have no interest in finding out, either.




Lucylastic -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 6:47:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You got shootings at schools. After the first one you should have DEMANDED armed guards at the schools.

The opposition to that one has always perplexed me. We have armed guards at banks. Is our money more important to us than the lives of our children?

K.



you really dont know the answer to that is Yes, of course it is...????

that was shown after sandy hook.




BamaD -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 9:25:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You got shootings at schools. After the first one you should have DEMANDED armed guards at the schools.

The opposition to that one has always perplexed me. We have armed guards at banks. Is our money more important to us than the lives of our children?

K.



you really dont know the answer to that is Yes, of course it is...????

that was shown after sandy hook.


So you approve of armed guards at schools?
We have them in Alabama.




CreativeDominant -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 9:36:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You got shootings at schools. After the first one you should have DEMANDED armed guards at the schools.

The opposition to that one has always perplexed me. We have armed guards at banks. Is our money more important to us than the lives of our children?

K.



you really dont know the answer to that is Yes, of course it is...????

that was shown after sandy hook.


Alright, another vote for armed security guards at schools!




Lucylastic -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 9:48:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You got shootings at schools. After the first one you should have DEMANDED armed guards at the schools.

The opposition to that one has always perplexed me. We have armed guards at banks. Is our money more important to us than the lives of our children?

K.



you really dont know the answer to that is Yes, of course it is...????

that was shown after sandy hook.


So you approve of armed guards at schools?
We have them in Alabama.

and this is why you are beyond all hope




BamaD -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 9:55:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You got shootings at schools. After the first one you should have DEMANDED armed guards at the schools.

The opposition to that one has always perplexed me. We have armed guards at banks. Is our money more important to us than the lives of our children?

K.



you really dont know the answer to that is Yes, of course it is...????

that was shown after sandy hook.


So you approve of armed guards at schools?
We have them in Alabama.

and this is why you are beyond all hope

Also one of the reasons we don't have school shootings.
If a school here thinks that hide under your desk and hope he shoots someone else is a better plan they can do that.




Lucylastic -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 10:04:11 AM)

I take it you mean little kids
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"schoool shootings"
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jlf1961 -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 10:24:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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YOu have questioned many aspects of the types and calibers of weapons I own...


This bit only just caught me. When have I done that? I've always freely admitted I don't know the first thing about guns and have no interest in finding out, either.



Maybe I misunderstood.

In all seriousness, I hold a masters in history, and traveled the world both in and out of the military.

Generally I have a very low opinion of humanity and civilization. Some things "civilized" humans do to each other is beyond comprehension, and does not speak well for the race.

History has shown that Republics, even most constitutional based governments are short lived in comparison to other governments. The problem lies not in the form of government, but what people do to it. Lets face it, humans complicate the simplest things, and in the end it is that complexity that dooms governments.

History has also shown that large numbers of humans sharing a limited living space are very unstable and unpredictable. If one thing severely impacts that status quo, humans resort to mob rule.

And it does not take much to set them off. The riots in London due to increases in college tuition is a good example, especially when you consider that the cost of higher education in the UK is still lower than most first world countries.

I saw first hand the riots in Los Angeles after the Rodney King verdicts. And it did not take guns for the numbers of injured and dead to go high. The video of a shop owner in South Central holding off a mob with a gun was both poignant and the historic norm, and it was not an isolated case. The stores that owners just pleaded to be left alone were looted and burned.

One thing about the people that make up an angry mob, no one wants to take a bullet so the rest can loot and burn.

Gun control advocates forget those periods in history, or they say it cant happen again. Well it has happened since the LA riots, in Ferguson MO, and Baltimore. Those injured by guns in those situations are not the norm, they are the exception, the people beat with rocks, clubs and bare hands are the norm.

Okay, so you (not you specifically) say "let the police deal with the mob." The problem with that is that, as I saw in LA, the police have no desire to go into the middle of the chaos. Police departments have a limited number of personnel, and during the Rodney King riots, South Central LA was pretty much a police free zone, officers were ordered out of the area to preserve their lives. When the National Guard arrived, they were ordered to take defensive positions around key locations. I saw a gas station with five armed guardsmen on the roof, a humvee with a Ma deuce parked in front with the belt in the 50 cal machine gun locked and ready to fire.

I watched police cruisers patrol in groups of five, and if they had to stop to render aid, 3 or 4 police helicopters circled over head, accompanied by a National Guard chopper with a trooper manning a belt fed machine gun in the door.

In this video, show me the gun

Insurance companies went bankrupt covering claims from the LA riots, those that didnt shot premiums to the point that many could not afford to keep the insurance, and insurance companies recommended guns to protect the stores and owner's investments.

People look at mass shootings and say that is a reason to get rid of guns. People forget the examples of LA, Ferguson, Baltimore where guns in the hands of private individuals saved lives and property.

Anti gun advocates only see the incidents that, in general are not the norm, and forget the rest.

And those people want me to give up my guns.

Aint gonna happen.




Musicmystery -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 11:15:12 AM)

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People look at mass shootings and say that is a reason to get rid of guns.


No. They say that is a reason to better regulate them.

If you're going to insist on opposing phantom positions, no real discussion is possible.




BamaD -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 11:22:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I take it you mean little kids
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"schoool shootings"
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Little kids and teachers have no choice but to hide under their desks because there is no one there to protect them. No I was not, and have neber seen anyone suggest that little kids should be packing.




Musicmystery -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 11:25:12 AM)

Seems metal detectors might be better than the Schoolhouse at the OK Corral.

Manned, of course, so no worries, firepower is present!!!! Somebody might still get to shoot something!




Lucylastic -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 11:29:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I take it you mean little kids
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"schoool shootings"
...







Little kids and teachers have no choice but to hide under their desks because there is no one there to protect them. No I was not, and have neber seen anyone suggest that little kids should be packing.



I didnt claim you did.
I just asked you to clarify that you meant lil kids schools only, not all education facilities.




MercTech -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 11:30:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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People look at mass shootings and say that is a reason to get rid of guns.


No. They say that is a reason to better regulate them.

If you're going to insist on opposing phantom positions, no real discussion is possible.


Unless you are Feinstein who wants tougher legislation because there would not be enough votes in favor of outright confiscation.

Every time I hear rabid calls for more firearm legislation and claims "no one is out to take your guns" included in the rant; I'm reminded of how Income Tax was a "temporary" measure to pay off the debt from the Spanish American War.




BamaD -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 11:39:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Seems metal detectors might be better than the Schoolhouse at the OK Corral.

Manned, of course, so no worries, firepower is present!!!! Somebody might still get to shoot something!

I like the idea of metal detectors, but if they aren't backed up with something better than a librarian with a ruler they won't do much good will they?




BamaD -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 11:41:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I take it you mean little kids
quote:

"schoool shootings"
...







Little kids and teachers have no choice but to hide under their desks because there is no one there to protect them. No I was not, and have neber seen anyone suggest that little kids should be packing.



I didnt claim you did.
I just asked you to clarify that you meant lil kids schools only, not all education facilities.


Duh of course I meant all schools, is there a reason high school kids don't deserve protection?




BamaD -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 11:43:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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People look at mass shootings and say that is a reason to get rid of guns.


No. They say that is a reason to better regulate them.

If you're going to insist on opposing phantom positions, no real discussion is possible.


Unless you are Feinstein who wants tougher legislation because there would not be enough votes in favor of outright confiscation.

Every time I hear rabid calls for more firearm legislation and claims "no one is out to take your guns" included in the rant; I'm reminded of how Income Tax was a "temporary" measure to pay off the debt from the Spanish American War.

And since they only want to ban some guns, right now, only a parinoid knuckle dragger would oppose it.




Lucylastic -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 11:51:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I take it you mean little kids
quote:

"schoool shootings"
...







Little kids and teachers have no choice but to hide under their desks because there is no one there to protect them. No I was not, and have neber seen anyone suggest that little kids should be packing.



I didnt claim you did.
I just asked you to clarify that you meant lil kids schools only, not all education facilities.


Duh of course I meant all schools, is there a reason high school kids don't deserve protection?

what about higher education?




Musicmystery -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 12:06:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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People look at mass shootings and say that is a reason to get rid of guns.


No. They say that is a reason to better regulate them.

If you're going to insist on opposing phantom positions, no real discussion is possible.


Unless you are Feinstein who wants tougher legislation because there would not be enough votes in favor of outright confiscation.

Every time I hear rabid calls for more firearm legislation and claims "no one is out to take your guns" included in the rant; I'm reminded of how Income Tax was a "temporary" measure to pay off the debt from the Spanish American War.

Another phantom position. Why is a call for more firearm legislation automatically "rabid"? Or automatically an outright ban? Again, if you're going to make up shit, there's no logical position nor reasoning.

And no, we're not talking about "temporary" measures. We're talking about addressing a very real problem.




Musicmystery -> RE: America’s Gun Madness, as Seen From Europe (10/12/2015 12:07:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: MercTech


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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People look at mass shootings and say that is a reason to get rid of guns.


No. They say that is a reason to better regulate them.

If you're going to insist on opposing phantom positions, no real discussion is possible.


Unless you are Feinstein who wants tougher legislation because there would not be enough votes in favor of outright confiscation.

Every time I hear rabid calls for more firearm legislation and claims "no one is out to take your guns" included in the rant; I'm reminded of how Income Tax was a "temporary" measure to pay off the debt from the Spanish American War.

And since they only want to ban some guns, right now, only a parinoid knuckle dragger would oppose it.

More silliness instead of logic. That's why it's hard to see any reason in your rants.

Tip: if you want to mock others' intelligence, spell paranoid correctly. You'll have more credibility.




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