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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 1:46:41 AM   
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When Dominant Females claim they want submissive males, are they really sure they want that,

Um, no different than when Dominant males claim they want submissive females. Or males. Or both. No question that Dominant personalities who lead, want submissive personalities to follow them.
I think what your real question is (aside from your private dramas), is a matching up of D/s levels desired, basic compatibility issues aside.
Are either parties seeking a committed ownership, or just seeking a steady or semi-steady play partner?
Does the Dominant want to be the Master or Mistress of a submissive, or of a slave? If they want more of a slave, then they both need to be willing to give their D/s relationship time to develop and to deepen into a functioning M/s dynamic.
For instance, I personally don't want to be the Mistress to a slave. I don't do slaves. What I want is a submissive male who has more multidimensionality going for him than that (no offense).


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
the feedback I am getting is that they get bored of these men very quickly,

I don't like to say that I get bored of people because I'm only attracted to interesting characters to begin with.
However, I quickly get bored of slaves, both the inculcated ones who have been in the lifestyle for 20 years or so, and have nothing to show for it after having served 3-4 Mistresses except habitually slavish practices and a slave mindset that make them unsuitable to be any woman's primary partner; in addition to all the wannabe (male) "slaves" who are slaves only to their severely limited range of fetishes.
I don't get bored or tired of submissive men because what piques my interest and sustains my interest is who they are as a person, as a man first, and then being submissive is secondary to the rest.


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
so what is the solution here?

You should have gotten a good deal of insight based on what's already been posted.

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ORIGINAL: peppermint
As with any relationship you date, you get to know each other, and most times you find out that it's not going to work long term. That means you break up and start to look for someone else who might be the one. It doesn't matter that it's a Dominant/submissive relationship. It will still be like any other relationship.

I certainly did not marry the first man I dated. I certainly did not form a long term relationship with the first Dom I met. It's not boredom. It's incompatibility. It's just not going to work.
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl
One of things that tends to prevelant in the D/s BDSM community is people jump right into a kinky sex relationship. They confuse tingly genitals for love. Then about 3 months into it, the bloom is of the rose and they realize that they don't like the person they're with.

I'll also add that many people have unrealistic expectations of what is possible within a relationship. In some cases, they seem to think that D/s is some sort of magical power that suspends basic human interaction.

Because of this, the average life span of D/s BDSM relationship tends to be 3 - 6 months.
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ORIGINAL: MisterP61
Yes, quite a few are on here for the kinky sex, but others are wanting more than that. It basically boils down to finding the right match, and that really can't be found without any sort of time investment.
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Me personally? I would get bored of the stereotypical 'lowly worm' types. The ones that have the air of desperation? I'm not suited for them, either.

You want a quality D, right? Well, Dominant women tend to want a quality s too, if they are really going for the relationship thing. It takes a little more to be that than just picking a label from the drop down menu. There's also the part about being a good man, being compatible with your partner, and all of that other stuff if you are actually going to love a person.

Can I give you some advice? The smartest thing you are ever going to do is listen to what the Dominant women are saying when it comes to the criteria that they use for the partners that matter to them. Most of it is about being a good man/human. Kind of like what vanilla people do, without the kink.

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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER
let me cut right to the chase now, and in order to stick to the topic, your question is " do really dommes want male subs" this is the main question, I believe the answer is yes, IF they are genuine dommes, then it is very natural for them to seek subs. Do men and women seek and enter into marriages? yes. Do they ( in some cases ) wanna retract afterward and get a divorce? Also yes. this is a general rule that applies to ALL Men and Women regardless their sexual orientation or their Cultural background.
your Q:<< are they really sure they want that >> I DONT KNOW, I really dont. e.g., A woman's hansdom, successful co-worker or colleague, may disclose his orientation to her as a sub whose interest is ONLY in dommes. what you think notaBULL ? her lucky day Huh!

<<the feedback I am getting is that they get bored of these men very quickly, so what is the solution here?>>
yes thats true, people lose interest, and if you think me, or anyone else here could give you the solution to this, you may wanna ask them to solve the problem of divorce as well.
a D/s, M&S engagement is no different than any other Vanilla ice cream relationship.the question is how much efforts can you put towards the relation in order to succeed. couples committing to a long-term-relationship quelque-soit leur rôles, dom/es or subs, are not free anymore after making commitment, you as a dom/me have Obligations towards you sub and vice versa, so it is no privilege for the dom/me to violate the agreement by claiming unlawful rights to walk away from the deal.

Btw OP, any sort of enduring relationship requires value-added contributions that flow back & forth naturally with an almost effortless ease. If it feels more like work than pleasure, or as if any of the associated parties involved has taken on a major job-like project, then this does not auger well.

While submission is valued by Dominants, just like their dominance is valued by the submissive, saying you are submissive and willing to do XYZ to seal the deal is not enough.
Both partners at the very minimum, assuming they have reached an understanding to move forward, need to continuously show that they are better off together than as separate entities.

When you are dealing with your prospective Owner's primary partner having to sign off on your inclusion to their pre-existing union, then the benefits of your presence have to outweigh the complications/drawbacks of having a 3rd or 4th wheel on board.


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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 2:24:13 AM   
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too late I took a screen capture in case i need it

And?

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 4:05:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

No my thread is about relationships, the Guide Goddess and I never made it that far.

She had to reject me because her hubby got jealous and did not want her to own me


It sounded to me like you had a very deep (emotional, psychological, spiritual) connection with her. She rejected you and you freaked out and committed that crime. Most people wouldn't go to that extreme. That's why I asked if you posted this question because of the relationship you had with her.



I did not have a relationship with her, we did not meet, it was online and was suppose to lead to RT, so your question is void. Yes we had a connection, of course.

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 4:17:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bunnicula

Or an alternative theory...

The Domme in question and her husband realised that the person they were talking to had questionable morals and a staggering lack of empathy with others. This was proven when he planned and executed a robbery that will have a long-lasting impact on those innocent people caught up in his crime.

Fortunately CNN is not a major news channel over here in the UK so this particular thief never made it to the big-time news channels. He is completely unknown over here. We have enough thieves and losers of our own without having to import any more.


I happened to be someone who had lots of money from age 19 to 25 I had my own business, until Quebec wanted to Split from Canada and a couple of Billion Dollars left the Province in one year, check it out, it is an historical fact. At that time I had 12 people living under my roof for free. That is apart from what I did on the side for others.

I had a moving company and moved people for free when they had no cash.

My older brother suffers from Schizophrenia and I was always there for him, if he got locked up for a while I went to visit him. I am a dedicated Christian and helped people all my life

So please do not tell me i have no HEART. Stop judging people without knowing their full history.

I am not a thief, it is called a PHYCHOSIS.

Plus I have been single since age 24 so since then we cannot say that I get rejected right?




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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 7:43:21 AM   
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Part of the problem that I'm encountering with this thread now is the fact that you (OP) went ahead and put this person's screen name all over the thread without her being here to respond to any of the claims made. Yes, you made it look different by adding spaces between the words where the screen name had none but the screen name is of a former poster here. If it's the same person, she is not here to set the story straight and if it's a different person, you are casting allegations toward someone who would be mistaken for the person you are referring to. It's not cool in either case.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
No! I was suppose to become the slave of XXX XXXXX XXXXXXX and after rejection I freaked out

So, basically what you are telling people is that you decided to go out and commit a crime because somebody on the internet decided they were no longer interested in talking to you or pursue a relationship? That is one of the lousiest dang excuses that people try to use for the messed up stuff that they pull. It is no justification to try to mess up other people's lives. There's a word for it but it's not psychosis.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
She had to reject me because her hubby got jealous and did not want her to own me

I'm not buying this, either. Since you did post the other person's name all over the thread, I went and did some reading. (I did this after I started my reply on this thread. I'm actually now more convinced that it is the former poster who used to be here. She would have been the type of woman who would be a great match for the type of relationship and kinks you say you seek.) She's had various people in her life since you and speaks of being very happy with them.

That's generally the tip off, right there. Yes, it does happen (sometimes) that a spouse is jealous if their primary partner has additional people in their life but when that's really the case, it tends to go across the board. It's (usually) not that one special snowflake who the spouse is jealous of but everybody else sharing the life of the partner is ok. (You really kind of lost on this one because somebody online isn't going to inspire jealousy when the people in real time don't seem to be a problem.)

I know you only started posting a lot here recently under this screen name. (Meaning I don't know if you had other ones or not.) Here's another tip that most folks who have been on the boards for longer than a tick can tell you. A very high majority of the time when someone comes to the boards trying the tune that the spouse being jealous of them is the reason a relationship ended, without mentioning a word about what they (the s-type) did themselves that contributed to the Dominant not wanting them in their life anymore, it's like a big, flashing neon sign to people that there are BIG gaps in the story. Perfect little s-type up until the end? I'll probably tell you to pull the other leg. It might have bells on it.



Edited to remove a duplicate word.

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 7:58:59 AM   
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Couldnt have said it better. Oh and I did report the post. Because it IS a TOS violation

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 8:41:35 AM   
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HOLY WOW.

OP- I think if this story is true- you're a dangerous person with a true disdain for women. You are not "worshiping" anyone- by blaming this crime on pain caused to you by a stranger over the internet. If you take rejection that badly- you need to work on yourself before you get into any relationship, much less a BDSM one.

I sincerely hope you get help, from a qualified professional psychologist.
Really I find this thread pretty frightening.

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 8:44:06 AM   
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I am not a thief, it is called a PHYCHOSIS.




Judging from this and other threads, I'm sure the diagnosis isn't that simple. You show a very unhealthy relationship towards. You choose to give adoration to women who don't want it. You choose to give adoration to women that think of you as a way to their bills. You even admit that they don't want your adoration, but continue on the same path anyway. You chose to go watch strippers for decades, putting your fantasies onto them with no real emotional connection. You have chosen a definition of slavery that would minimize your emotional connection to your Mistress.

I would very seriously suggest that you look for kink friendly therapist to look at why you seem to want a relationship with a woman, but still make sure that relationship is distant or unattainable.




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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 10:46:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Part of the problem that I'm encountering with this thread now is the fact that you (OP) went ahead and put this person's screen name all over the thread without her being here to respond to any of the claims made. Yes, you made it look different by adding spaces between the words where the screen name had none but the screen name is of a former poster here. If it's the same person, she is not here to set the story straight and if it's a different person, you are casting allegations toward someone who would be mistaken for the person you are referring to. It's not cool in either case.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
No! I was suppose to become the slave of XXX XXXXX XXXXXXX and after rejection I freaked out

So, basically what you are telling people is that you decided to go out and commit a crime because somebody on the internet decided they were no longer interested in talking to you or pursue a relationship? That is one of the lousiest dang excuses that people try to use for the messed up stuff that they pull. It is no justification to try to mess up other people's lives. There's a word for it but it's not psychosis.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
She had to reject me because her hubby got jealous and did not want her to own me

I'm not buying this, either. Since you did post the other person's name all over the thread, I went and did some reading. (I did this after I started my reply on this thread. I'm actually now more convinced that it is the former poster who used to be here. She would have been the type of woman who would be a great match for the type of relationship and kinks you say you seek.) She's had various people in her life since you and speaks of being very happy with them.

That's generally the tip off, right there. Yes, it does happen (sometimes) that a spouse is jealous if their primary partner has additional people in their life but when that's really the case, it tends to go across the board. It's (usually) not that one special snowflake who the spouse is jealous of but everybody else sharing the life of the partner is ok. (You really kind of lost on this one because somebody online isn't going to inspire jealousy when the people in real time don't seem to be a problem.)

I know you only started posting a lot here recently under this screen name. (Meaning I don't know if you had other ones or not.) Here's another tip that most folks who have been on the boards for longer than a tick can tell you. A very high majority of the time when someone comes to the boards trying the tune that the spouse being jealous of them is the reason a relationship ended, without mentioning a word about what they (the s-type) did themselves that contributed to the Dominant not wanting them in their life anymore, it's like a big, flashing neon sign to people that there are BIG gaps in the story. Perfect little s-type up until the end? I'll probably tell you to pull the other leg. It might have bells on it.



Edited to remove a duplicate word.



Again the users digress, this is not about me, it is a general reflection regarding the Ds dynamic in General. But I am not like you guys hiding behind an Avatar, I say my real name and post my entire life if you want to know it. (which I did).

Yes! I agree, I am far from behind perfect and I did make lots of mistakes in my life.

If ones looks at being a regular in strip joints as problematic, Yes I agree, that is probably why I needed a dominant Lady in my life to control me. On the other, I may have taken that path, because I had a secret persona, which is forced upon everyone in society, due to the fact it is Women who must serve men, the other way around does not look Good, at least not where I live. So yes, one must always wear a mask and it does get exhausting.

I did take therapy in prison, it is mandatory. Do you think they release inmates just like that?

As for blaming the whole thing on a jealous husband, remember I only replying to users who digress here. Life is not that simple, but I do not have the time in a thread to write a book about a plan gone wrong.

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 11:17:12 AM   
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Hear! Hear!. Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec toi, la grande bretagne est une pépinière des voleurs et des clochards.


...et la France aussi, malheuresement.

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 11:21:04 AM   
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I am not a thief, it is called a PHYCHOSIS.

Plus I have been single since age 24 so since then we cannot say that I get rejected right?






You committed an armed robbery and were convicted. You are not a convicted psychotic, you are a convicted thief. Don't make excuses for your appallingly bad choices in life. Man up, admit to your failures and improve yourself going forward.

Also, the fact that you have been single since age 24 is not down to the world rejecting you, it's down to the way you comport yourself and present yourself. Again, take responsibility for yourself and your actions and maybe things will change. Continue to make excuses and you will continue on exactly the same way.


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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 11:49:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bunnicula


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL




I am not a thief, it is called a PHYCHOSIS.

Plus I have been single since age 24 so since then we cannot say that I get rejected right?






You committed an armed robbery and were convicted. You are not a convicted psychotic, you are a convicted thief. Don't make excuses for your appallingly bad choices in life. Man up, admit to your failures and improve yourself going forward.

Also, the fact that you have been single since age 24 is not down to the world rejecting you, it's down to the way you comport yourself and present yourself. Again, take responsibility for yourself and your actions and maybe things will change. Continue to make excuses and you will continue on exactly the same way.



I am not posting threads to get your approval on my past or future Miss, I could not give damn of what your opinions are, like I said before, this is a question, not a court room

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 11:55:10 AM   
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You opened yourself up to it, more than once by linking to a website with information about a court case. If you dont expect people to comment on it, dont post it.
By the way what kind of bike was it.

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 12:03:19 PM   
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You opened yourself up to it, more than once by linking to a website with information about a court case. If you dont expect people to comment on it, dont post it.
By the way what kind of bike was it.



At that time I owned a police interceptor with no chip to control the speed, the car could reach about 190 miles an hour, I think, but I just took my bicycle

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 12:05:53 PM   
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You do not "need" a dominant lady to control you.
You need therapy so that hopefully you can gain the tools to control yourself. You aren't free from choices because someone is "controlling" you- you have to own your own choices.

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 12:06:32 PM   
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You brought it up in an open forum, and my opinion seems to coincide with the courtroom's opinion.

Your horrible life choices are the reason you are in this situation now and no relationship with a dominant woman is going to 'fix' your problems.


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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 12:12:39 PM   
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You opened yourself up to it, more than once by linking to a website with information about a court case. If you dont expect people to comment on it, dont post it.
By the way what kind of bike was it.



At that time I owned a police interceptor with no chip to control the speed, the car could reach about 190 miles an hour, I think, but I just took my bicycle


You did.
ok thank you.

on with the thread.

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 12:14:37 PM   
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Ahhhhh! A couple, and who is talking now? Since you are A couple and already have an active D/s S&M relationship,

We don't have a D/s or S&M relationship.
You looked at our profile, yet you didn't learn that?

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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER
I have a little question, what is punishment in relation to BDSM, can you imagine a D/s relationship without punishment?

Like many people in the BDSM world, we don't have a punishment regime.

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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER
Without calling "missing" a very important contributing element such as " punishment " in the equation , How can you then explain why subs choose to screw up on purpose just to get punishment, and doms/mes are aware of that, even they also push their subs to make mistakes by giving them impossible tasks so they can inflict punishment in a legal framework .huh!

It would only work if there was a punishment regime; otherwise it's a useless pursuit to nowhere.

And only asshats and insta-doms set impossible tasks for their subs.

If the /s cannot see they are being given impossible things and are thus setup for failure, that would be their problem for not getting out of the arrangement ASAP.
FWIW, punishment isn't legal, it's called abuse. Funishment is a whole different ball of wax.


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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 1:00:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

And only asshats and insta-doms set impossible tasks for their subs.



Thanks for calling my husband, and a bunch of other people I play with "asshats" and "insta-doms".


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

If the /s cannot see they are being given impossible things and are thus setup for failure, that would be their problem for not getting out of the arrangement ASAP.



And thanks for saying I'm an idiot for not getting out my marriage ASAP, and that I don't dump all of the Tops I enjoy playing with most.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

FWIW, punishment isn't legal, it's called abuse. Funishment is a whole different ball of wax.



And thanks for implying that my relationship is abusive, and that the only way to have a fulfilling BDSM relationship the "right" way is to do it entirely different than I am.


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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 1:14:32 PM   
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Surely you've read more than enough posts on CS where people have adamantly stated that setting up a /s for failure isn't being a responsive or responsible D??
Many a time I have seen posts that say the D should be responsible for the success of the /s.
Many insta-doms have been ridiculed for setting up a /s for failure.

It takes just as much cognitive responsibility on the /s as the D to realise that they are being setup for failure.
And I didn't say you should get out of your marriage - that would be your spin on it, not mine.
And generally speaking, being a top or bottom implies consensual play.
Again, your spin, not mine.

Any true punishment (as in, non-consensual) is considered abuse anywhere in the western world and carries a legal penalty if reported.
Now funishment is entirely different... it is consensual. Even in those cases, if the one being punished raises a complaint, the funishment, if not stopped instantly, becomes a non-consensual abuse.


Lastly, I wasn't replying to you.



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