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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 1:43:47 PM   
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Surely you've read more than enough posts on CS where people have adamantly stated that setting up a /s for failure isn't being a responsive or responsible D??
Many a time I have seen posts that say the D should be responsible for the success of the /s.



Yeah, I have seen people claim all sorts of things on the internet over the years, some of them idiotic, and some of them really useful.
Generally I take stuff I see people claim over the internet with a grain of salt.

In this case, any time I see somebody claim that you should never have unreasonably high expectations of your submissive, and never put her in a situation where there's a pretty good chance she'll fail to met expectations, I jump in and point out that this is exactly what frequently happens in any dynamic I've been in in my adult life.

Unreasonable expectations are part of my baseline.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

It takes just as much cognitive responsibility on the /s as the D to realise that they are being setup for failure.



I'm very aware of the fact that I'm being set up for failure when it happens, thank you very much.
My goal at that moment becomes pulling some sort of magic rabbit out of a hat, and somehow surprising the D-type by succeeding beyond all odds anyways.
Sometimes I manage, and sometimes I don't. When I don't punishment usually follows.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Any true punishment (as in, non-consensual) is considered abuse anywhere in the western world and carries a legal penalty if reported.



Well I guess my marriage is abusive then (and some of my play relationships are too), because it's not unusual for me to be punished in a way I don't consent to in the moment, and that I would end if I had the power and ability to do so.
That fact that I have consented to be in such a dynamic and play situation doesn't change the fact that, in the moment, it's non-consensual and I want it to end, he knows I want it to end, and he ignored my desire for him to stop anyways.

I take it you've never heard of consensual non-consent play?


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Now funishment is entirely different... it is consensual. Even in those cases, if the one being punished raises a complaint, the funishment, if not stopped instantly, becomes a non-consensual abuse.



Actually, funishment isn't different at all. Funishment is defined as assault in a lot of jurisdictions around the world, and you cannot legally consent to being assaulted.
If I consent to being spanked, and somebody spanks me, while asking every minute "do you like it? and "do you want me to continue?" even if I say "yes" to both questions every time, it's still assault, I can still press charges afterwards, and he'll still go to jail when I do.

Consent is rather irrelevant to the law when it comes to actions that are illegal, because you cannot consent to having illegal stuff done to you.


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Lastly, I wasn't replying to you.



Considering that you described *my* relationship and play dynamic, and then said a bunch of negative (and incorrect) stuff about it, I don't really give a fuck who you were replying to.

If I were to make a general post on this board stating: "All men under 5'3" are pathetic wanna be losers who couldn't possible ever dominate their way out of a wet paper bag, because of how diminutive in statue they are. They should leave BDSM to the real men, who have the physical prowess to back up their claim of having Dominant personalities."
You would feel attacked too, whether or not I made that post directly to you or to somebody else.




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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 2:16:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Surely you've read more than enough posts on CS where people have adamantly stated that setting up a /s for failure isn't being a responsive or responsible D??
Many a time I have seen posts that say the D should be responsible for the success of the /s.



Yeah, I have seen people claim all sorts of things on the internet over the years, some of them idiotic, and some of them really useful.
Generally I take stuff I see people claim over the internet with a grain of salt.

In this case, any time I see somebody claim that you should never have unreasonably high expectations of your submissive, and never put her in a situation where there's a pretty good chance she'll fail to met expectations, I jump in and point out that this is exactly what frequently happens in any dynamic I've been in in my adult life.

Unreasonable expectations are part of my baseline.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

It takes just as much cognitive responsibility on the /s as the D to realise that they are being setup for failure.



I'm very aware of the fact that I'm being set up for failure when it happens, thank you very much.
My goal at that moment becomes pulling some sort of magic rabbit out of a hat, and somehow surprising the D-type by succeeding beyond all odds anyways.
Sometimes I manage, and sometimes I don't. When I don't punishment usually follows.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Any true punishment (as in, non-consensual) is considered abuse anywhere in the western world and carries a legal penalty if reported.



Well I guess my marriage is abusive then (and some of my play relationships are too), because it's not unusual for me to be punished in a way I don't consent to in the moment, and that I would end if I had the power and ability to do so.
That fact that I have consented to be in such a dynamic and play situation doesn't change the fact that, in the moment, it's non-consensual and I want it to end, he knows I want it to end, and he ignored my desire for him to stop anyways.

I take it you've never heard of consensual non-consent play?


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Now funishment is entirely different... it is consensual. Even in those cases, if the one being punished raises a complaint, the funishment, if not stopped instantly, becomes a non-consensual abuse.



Actually, funishment isn't different at all. Funishment is defined as assault in a lot of jurisdictions around the world, and you cannot legally consent to being assaulted.
If I consent to being spanked, and somebody spanks me, while asking every minute "do you like it? and "do you want me to continue?" even if I say "yes" to both questions every time, it's still assault, I can still press charges afterwards, and he'll still go to jail when I do.

Consent is rather irrelevant to the law when it comes to actions that are illegal, because you cannot consent to having illegal stuff done to you.


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Lastly, I wasn't replying to you.



Considering that you described *my* relationship and play dynamic, and then said a bunch of negative (and incorrect) stuff about it, I don't really give a fuck who you were replying to.

If I were to make a general post on this board stating: "All men under 5'3" are pathetic wanna be losers who couldn't possible ever dominate their way out of a wet paper bag, because of how diminutive in statue they are. They should leave BDSM to the real men, who have the physical prowess to back up their claim of having Dominant personalities."
You would feel attacked too, whether or not I made that post directly to you or to somebody else.





Please children, you are on my turf here (my thread) please reflect on this addiction of yours to digress constantly. Ishtar, with all the great respect I have for you, please take no offense by this comment.

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 2:28:09 PM   
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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 2:38:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: notaBULL



Please children, you are on my turf here (my thread) please reflect on this addiction of yours to digress constantly. Ishtar, with all the great respect I have for you, please take no offense by this comment.


No, we are on Eric's turf. And per his Moderators, the forum guidelines have always allowed thread drift.

So, directing people how they can respond will do nothing.


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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 3:14:11 PM   
J0K3ER


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freedomdwarf1
We don't have a D/s or S&M relationship.
You looked at our profile, yet you didn't learn that?

I knew from the get go we are not talking about the same thing, shall I blame it on language barrier again?. you were speaking of punishment from its ( legal and constitutional ) concept . I WAS NOT. and BTW I have no idea what " Funishment" is.
and heres what I said:

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Ahhhhh! A couple, and who is talking now? Since you are A couple and already have an active D/s S&M relationship, I have a little question, what is punishment in relation to BDSM, can you imagine a D/s relationship without punishment? Without calling "missing" a very important contributing element such as " punishment " in the equation , How can you then explain why subs choose to screw up on purpose just to get punishment, and doms/mes are aware of that, even they also push their subs to make mistakes by giving them impossible tasks so they can inflict punishment in a legal framework .huh!

I was talking about punishment within BDSM field not out side of it, I could also infer you were talking about " failure" in general while i was talking about " failing a task" that results to "BDSM punishment".
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Actually, funishment isn't different at all. Funishment is defined as assault in a lot of jurisdictions around the world, and you cannot legally consent to being assaulted.
If I consent to being spanked, and somebody spanks me, while asking every minute "do you like it? and "do you want me to continue?" even if I say "yes" to both questions every time, it's still assault, I can still press charges afterwards, and he'll still go to jail when I do.

and thank you Ishtar for bringing this up, this is actually the optimal answer to this ordeal.
finally the thing i cant ever answer is you saying " i was not talking to you"


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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 3:47:59 PM   
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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 3:58:25 PM   
UllrsIshtar


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Ishtar, it weird , you are always here to either kick or save my ass..


I'm a housewife. I'm all ways here, because this is what I do on my breaks from housework during the day.

The fact that you currently also happen to be here is irrelevant to the way I post.

If I'm not kicking your ass, it's because you either finally said something that's not completely idiotic, or because what you said was so idiotic that I don't even want to get into kicking your ass over it. (Hint: it's more often one than the other, but not the one you seem to think it is.)
The same thing applies to every other poster on this board, with the exception that most other posters on this board maintain a much higher quality of posting standard than you so far have shown to possess.



< Message edited by UllrsIshtar -- 10/14/2015 4:16:08 PM >

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 4:05:02 PM   
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Please children, you are on my turf here (my thread) please reflect on this addiction of yours to digress constantly. Ishtar, with all the great respect I have for you, please take no offense by this comment.


No, we are on Eric's turf. And per his Moderators, the forum guidelines have always allowed thread drift.

So, directing people how they can respond will do nothing.



Oh! Get off your high horse Miss, a little discipline please.

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 4:37:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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Ishtar, it weird , you are always here to either kick or save my ass..


I'm a housewife. I'm all ways here, because this is what I do on my breaks from housework during the day.

The fact that you currently also happen to be here is irrelevant to the way I post.

If I'm not kicking your ass, it's because you either finally said something that's not completely idiotic, or because what you said was so idiotic that I don't even want to get into kicking your ass over it. (Hint: it's more often one than the other, but not the one you seem to think it is.)
The same thing applies to every other poster on this board, with the exception that most other posters on this board maintain a much higher quality of posting standard than you so far have shown to possess.



Most posters? Most means the majority with the exception of a few.
And much higher quality "posting standard". Not only higher , but much higher Is it all about posting OR it is about discussion?
Would you then mind explaining to me what is a high posting standard, I'm serious.
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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 4:48:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: notaBULL


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL



Please children, you are on my turf here (my thread) please reflect on this addiction of yours to digress constantly. Ishtar, with all the great respect I have for you, please take no offense by this comment.


No, we are on Eric's turf. And per his Moderators, the forum guidelines have always allowed thread drift.

So, directing people how they can respond will do nothing.



Oh! Get off your high horse Miss, a little discipline please.


See? More thread drift.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but discussions are rarely linear, whether on a forum or face to face. Trying to control thread drift will only frustrate you and since the guidelines and the Moderators allow it, you won't gain any traction.




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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 5:00:20 PM   
UllrsIshtar


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Most posters? Most means the majority with the exception of a few.
And much higher quality "posting standard". Not only higher , but much higher Is it all about posting OR it is about discussion?



That wasn't the compliment to the other posters you took it to be. It's more a matter of you setting the bar extremely low.

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ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

Would you then mind explaining to me what is a high posting standard, I'm serious.



Higher posting standard: posts that provoke interesting thoughts, new ideas, or contribute in some way to an intriguing debate.

As opposed to your posts mainly being: mindless drivel that serves no purpose, nor provokes thought, nor contributes new ideas, but seem to be primarily intended to annoy people, be confrontational without a reason, or to chatter mindlessly.



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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 5:02:56 PM   
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Is notaBULL and J0K3ER the same person?

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 5:03:35 PM   
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I'm getting confused.

Is notaBULL and J0K3ER the same person?


No. Just cut from the same cloth.

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 5:11:41 PM   
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Again the users digress, this is not about me, it is a general reflection regarding the Ds dynamic in General. But I am not like you guys hiding behind an Avatar, I say my real name and post my entire life if you want to know it. (which I did).

Exactly who do you think the avatar is of? I'm just curious.

I didn't have an issue with you posting your name. The site, however, frowns on identifying information being posted. You agreed not to when you signed up. It's this thing about they can't verify any information is actually you. The article you linked could be of somebody else. Some crazy person could try taking that information to try tracking you down to harm you. The site has to be careful about those kinds of things.

Where my problem arises is when you try to make that decision about other people. You shouldn't have posted the other person's screen name to the forum without her consent. You also don't have the right to publish bad things about her husband, which you can't prove, and he doesn't have the ability to refute. That's not cool on a public forum.


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Yes! I agree, I am far from behind perfect and I did make lots of mistakes in my life.

Everybody makes mistakes. If your "mistake" is to go out of your way to mess with other people, that's kind of an issue.


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If ones looks at being a regular in strip joints as problematic, Yes I agree, that is probably why I needed a dominant Lady in my life to control me. On the other, I may have taken that path, because I had a secret persona, which is forced upon everyone in society, due to the fact it is Women who must serve men, the other way around does not look Good, at least not where I live. So yes, one must always wear a mask and it does get exhausting.

I didn't say a word about the strip joints. If you wanted to blow your money that way, it doesn't have anything to do with me. On the other hand, if your mental capacities are that you *need* someone to control you because you can not control yourself, that may not necessarily be a healthy approach to life. They didn't accept "I didn't have a Dominant woman to control me" as a plea/defense strategy, did they?


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I did take therapy in prison, it is mandatory. Do you think they release inmates just like that?

Also didn't mention therapy. Since you have, do you think the possibility exists that more could be a valid idea? I have no idea about your mental state. Only you do.


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As for blaming the whole thing on a jealous husband, remember I only replying to users who digress here. Life is not that simple, but I do not have the time in a thread to write a book about a plan gone wrong.

It actually is that simple. You are not involved with her. You are not involved with him. If you want to say that you don't want them discussed on this thread, why did you bring it up and attach another person's name to it? Don't post negative comments about people and be specific about telling people who they are. It's not difficult to grasp that.

In my opinion, your original question doesn't really have a set answer due to various reasons. Somebody like me who is kink optional, poly optional, and already has a primary partner who is not a submissive is not going to answer the question the same as someone who is not happy unless kink is in their life, is monogamous, and would not be satisfied if their relationship structure was vanilla. My primary relationship has to have a romantic element to it, where it isn't necessarily a component when I engage in D/s. Generally, if I am 'in love' with my submissive, I don't engage in casual play (S/m) unless I'm teaching or something of that sort.

If D/s, kink, or any of that stuff were higher priorities in my life and I couldn't work it out with casual play situations or skip playing entirely, I might consider that I would only seek submissive men as partners. I'm more concerned with the qualities of the man rather than where he fits as far as D/s orientation.



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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 5:18:03 PM   
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I'm getting confused.

Is notaBULL and J0K3ER the same person?


No, the speech patterns are completely different, although they both have issues with women.

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 5:30:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

I'm getting confused.

Is notaBULL and J0K3ER the same person?


No, the speech patterns are completely different, although they both have issues with women.


How do you conclude I have issues with Women? I keep saying every Lady is a Goddess, I think you guys are on drugs or something

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 5:41:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: notaBULL


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

I'm getting confused.

Is notaBULL and J0K3ER the same person?


No, the speech patterns are completely different, although they both have issues with women.


How do you conclude I have issues with Women? I keep saying every Lady is a Goddess, I think you guys are on drugs or something

Exactly. You keep projecting your fantasy onto every woman, whether they want it or not. The way you latched onto strippers, when you said they hated male slaves.

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 5:43:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Since this reply was made specifically to me.

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
Again the users digress, this is not about me, it is a general reflection regarding the Ds dynamic in General. But I am not like you guys hiding behind an Avatar, I say my real name and post my entire life if you want to know it. (which I did).

Exactly who do you think the avatar is of? I'm just curious.

I didn't have an issue with you posting your name. The site, however, frowns on identifying information being posted. You agreed not to when you signed up. It's this thing about they can't verify any information is actually you. The article you linked could be of somebody else. Some crazy person could try taking that information to try tracking you down to harm you. The site has to be careful about those kinds of things.

Where my problem arises is when you try to make that decision about other people. You shouldn't have posted the other person's screen name to the forum without her consent. You also don't have the right to publish bad things about her husband, which you can't prove, and he doesn't have the ability to refute. That's not cool on a public forum.


quote:

Yes! I agree, I am far from behind perfect and I did make lots of mistakes in my life.

Everybody makes mistakes. If your "mistake" is to go out of your way to mess with other people, that's kind of an issue.


quote:

If ones looks at being a regular in strip joints as problematic, Yes I agree, that is probably why I needed a dominant Lady in my life to control me. On the other, I may have taken that path, because I had a secret persona, which is forced upon everyone in society, due to the fact it is Women who must serve men, the other way around does not look Good, at least not where I live. So yes, one must always wear a mask and it does get exhausting.

I didn't say a word about the strip joints. If you wanted to blow your money that way, it doesn't have anything to do with me. On the other hand, if your mental capacities are that you *need* someone to control you because you can not control yourself, that may not necessarily be a healthy approach to life. They didn't accept "I didn't have a Dominant woman to control me" as a plea/defense strategy, did they?


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I did take therapy in prison, it is mandatory. Do you think they release inmates just like that?

Also didn't mention therapy. Since you have, do you think the possibility exists that more could be a valid idea? I have no idea about your mental state. Only you do.


quote:

As for blaming the whole thing on a jealous husband, remember I only replying to users who digress here. Life is not that simple, but I do not have the time in a thread to write a book about a plan gone wrong.

It actually is that simple. You are not involved with her. You are not involved with him. If you want to say that you don't want them discussed on this thread, why did you bring it up and attach another person's name to it? Don't post negative comments about people and be specific about telling people who they are. It's not difficult to grasp that.

In my opinion, your original question doesn't really have a set answer due to various reasons. Somebody like me who is kink optional, poly optional, and already has a primary partner who is not a submissive is not going to answer the question the same as someone who is not happy unless kink is in their life, is monogamous, and would not be satisfied if their relationship structure was vanilla. My primary relationship has to have a romantic element to it, where it isn't necessarily a component when I engage in D/s. Generally, if I am 'in love' with my submissive, I don't engage in casual play (S/m) unless I'm teaching or something of that sort.

If D/s, kink, or any of that stuff were higher priorities in my life and I couldn't work it out with casual play situations or skip playing entirely, I might consider that I would only seek submissive men as partners. I'm more concerned with the qualities of the man rather than where he fits as far as D/s orientation.





Yes LadyPact, it was a serious mistake to post information about another user and her husband. I agree. As for therapy, the very existence of this site and time spent on here by users is proof that most of us need more therapy

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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 5:44:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

I'm getting confused.

Is notaBULL and J0K3ER the same person?


No, the speech patterns are completely different, although they both have issues with women.


How do you conclude I have issues with Women? I keep saying every Lady is a Goddess, I think you guys are on drugs or something

Exactly. You keep projecting your fantasy onto every woman, whether they want it or not. The way you latched onto strippers, when you said they hated male slaves.


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RE: To want or not to want - 10/14/2015 5:45:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

I'm getting confused.

Is notaBULL and J0K3ER the same person?


No, the speech patterns are completely different, although they both have issues with women.


How do you conclude I have issues with Women? I keep saying every Lady is a Goddess, I think you guys are on drugs or something

Exactly. You keep projecting your fantasy onto every woman, whether they want it or not. The way you latched onto strippers, when you said they hated male slaves.




I say this having years of experience in the field behind me Miss, strippers are much more attracted to Bulls

The way you latched onto strippers, when you said they hated male slaves.

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