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UllrsIshtar -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 2:13:22 PM)

Most people wearing fetish clothing and obvious collars and such in public are part of the goth scene, not the BDSM crowd.

Now I personally used to dress to bar-tend at the Fetish Cafe in Antwerp at home, and then took public transport or my scooter into work, I've also got the BDSM triskilian tattooed on me, so over the years I've been asked if I was into kink quite a few time by random people (one day at my vanilla job by a coworker who saw the tattoo when my clothing shifted).

Whether or not I was upset at being asked always depended entirely on how the person was doing the asking. There were times where it was incredibly annoying and offensive (mainly when I was in the middle of doing something else, and the person somehow felt "entitled" for me to pause and spend time answering questions or explain stuff to them, just because they had "figured it out") and other times where it wasn't offensive at all, and it lead to brief acknowledgements or interesting conversations.

I think the "how" of asking is a bigger deal that the actual subject itself. But then again, when approaching strange women in public, the response is always going to depend very heavy on how you actually approach her. An innocent vanilla compliment can be very offensive and off-putting if its done in the wrong location, wrong time of night, wrong tone/manner, and while she's busy with something else.




zombiegurlsos -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 2:16:47 PM)

Lucylastic I am so sorry as well accept my apologies for any confusion I added to this.... I truly am here only to learn, thank you for the correction




zombiegurlsos -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 2:21:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

Most people wearing fetish clothing and obvious collars and such in public are part of the goth scene, not the BDSM crowd.

Now I personally used to dress to bar-tend at the Fetish Cafe in Antwerp at home, and then took public transport or my scooter into work, I've also got the BDSM triskilian tattooed on me, so over the years I've been asked if I was into kink quite a few time by random people (one day at my vanilla job by a coworker who saw the tattoo when my clothing shifted).

Whether or not I was upset at being asked always depended entirely on how the person was doing the asking. There were times where it was incredibly annoying and offensive (mainly when I was in the middle of doing something else, and the person somehow felt "entitled" for me to pause and spend time answering questions or explain stuff to them, just because they had "figured it out") and other times where it wasn't offensive at all, and it lead to brief acknowledgements or interesting conversations.

I think the "how" of asking is a bigger deal that the actual subject itself. But then again, when approaching strange women in public, the response is always going to depend very heavy on how you actually approach her. An innocent vanilla compliment can be very offensive and off-putting if its done in the wrong location, wrong time of night, wrong tone/manner, and while she's busy with something else.


yes but UllrsIshtar the world is vanilla, so it would be unreasonable for a BDSM personality to be upset in public
over the approach of a vanilla. If you wish to mix worlds you have to be prepared to break a few eggs or stretch
your xenophobia.... no I am not calling you a xenophobe...lol


It is not correct to my circumstance in BDSM to say my wearing collar and leash was a Goth expression. My file at the VA is resplendent with my discussion with my Doctors on the matter of BDSM...





J0K3ER -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 2:23:52 PM)

I will leave commenting on this for later, or may be zombie can take this one up, THIS IS A TRAIN WRECK . simply a sequence of misconceptions




zombiegurlsos -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 2:31:50 PM)

Hi JOK3ER we are departing as a affiliation in this discussion except when you wish to discuss to the topic. I am not
interested in pissing people off "lokie" and you have a lot of great things to say.
But I for one am not interested in burning bridges, only in building. So enjoin me on that goal. Yes if someone unfairly
attacks you expect my support. But I am not interested in zombiegurlsos being identified as a troll
So everyone if you have been insulted by me I apologize, you treat me with respect and I will double the respect I
give to you....

I am not a politician I am a slave, so please don't expect anymore than that of me. I will say brilliant things and sometimes very silly
things, but my intent is never to harm only to communicate.

Thank you all




sexyred1 -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 2:35:24 PM)

People who start threads that don't go the way they, want always say that.




zombiegurlsos -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 2:46:01 PM)

Well freedomdwarf1, that was a great response.... thank you. Joker tried to kiss it off to me to pick up and fortunately,
I think you said it very well. I am only here to learn and hope you will accept that. I am not always perfect, but damn those intentions
are always spot on...lol




ReMakeYou -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 3:25:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos

yes but UllrsIshtar the world is vanilla, so it would be unreasonable for a BDSM personality to be upset in public
over the approach of a vanilla. If you wish to mix worlds you have to be prepared to break a few eggs or stretch
your xenophobia.... no I am not calling you a xenophobe...lol


It is not correct to my circumstance in BDSM to say my wearing collar and leash was a Goth expression. My file at the VA is resplendent with my discussion with my Doctors on the matter of BDSM...



There's a very important rule to these sorts of interactions. If you're willing to spend time defending them, odds are you're nowhere near skilled enough to pull them off.

You're well within your rights to approach and say that you like her outfit. The conversation can then go in ways that allow her to drop hints as to her own tastes if she's so inclined. If not, let the matter drop.

The two big things to be mindful of are:

-Asking a stranger about their sexual tastes is a major faux pas. There's some wiggle room if you're asking about their membership in a certain community. But as mentioned above, if you're not sure exactly where the line is, you're probably better off not doing it.

-Even if she does happen to be a domme and a major player in the community, that doesn't necessarily imply that she's going to dom you right then and there. As with any relationship, it has to happen because the two people involved are interested in each other. Simply being a sub is not enough to automatically attract every dom, especially since the desirable doms probably have plenty of interested subs to chose from already.

And on that note, being too sexual or too needy too soon is not a good way to attract a dom. It shows that you have rather unhealthy relationship expectations.




J0K3ER -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 3:26:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos

Hi JOK3ER we are departing as a affiliation in this discussion except when you wish to discuss to the topic. I am not
interested in pissing people off "lokie" and you have a lot of great things to say.
But I for one am not interested in burning bridges, only in building. So enjoin me on that goal. Yes if someone unfairly
attacks you expect my support. But I am not interested in zombiegurlsos being identified as a troll
So everyone if you have been insulted by me I apologize, you treat me with respect and I will double the respect I
give to you....

I am not a politician I am a slave, so please don't expect anymore than that of me. I will say brilliant things and sometimes very silly
things, but my intent is never to harm only to communicate.

Thank you all

hi zombie, you missed my point, freedomdwarf1 in his reply revealed severe misconception that was in fact a controversy to modern social life. his fallacy was more like a piece of steak, a T bone steak that needed a good cook to prepare it for the eaters. and because i was not ready to cook it properly so that it can be enjoyed, I left it raw for a better cook instead of burning it out and make it useless.
but since you believe freedomdwarf1 troll was brilliant, I cant argue. I can only believe that Adam Sandler is every waitress movie star.




J0K3ER -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 3:54:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

Most people wearing fetish clothing and obvious collars and such in public are part of the goth scene, not the BDSM crowd.

Now I personally used to dress to bar-tend at the Fetish Cafe in Antwerp at home, and then took public transport or my scooter into work, I've also got the BDSM triskilian tattooed on me, so over the years I've been asked if I was into kink quite a few time by random people (one day at my vanilla job by a coworker who saw the tattoo when my clothing shifted).

Whether or not I was upset at being asked always depended entirely on how the person was doing the asking. There were times where it was incredibly annoying and offensive (mainly when I was in the middle of doing something else, and the person somehow felt "entitled" for me to pause and spend time answering questions or explain stuff to them, just because they had "figured it out") and other times where it wasn't offensive at all, and it lead to brief acknowledgements or interesting conversations.

I think the "how" of asking is a bigger deal that the actual subject itself. But then again, when approaching strange women in public, the response is always going to depend very heavy on how you actually approach her. An innocent vanilla compliment can be very offensive and off-putting if its done in the wrong location, wrong time of night, wrong tone/manner, and while she's busy with something else.

Medusa, you really have a tendency of insulting people in their intelligence while you make the only idiot findomme on CS and in CO. if you did not fully understand my question I have no problem rephrasing it, ok one single woman in a gas station performing the Gothic scene in Gadsden AL. how irrational and unintelligent is that?
2nd. I said if you approach that lady in an appropriate manner, which includes a lot of underlying statements. to mention a few.

  • right time
  • right place
  • right tone
  • right words
  • they are not busy
  • they are not in the middle of a conversation
  • they are not in a hurry
  • they are not with someone
  • they are just pumping fuel




  • zombiegurlsos -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 3:57:59 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: ReMakeYou

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos

    yes but UllrsIshtar the world is vanilla, so it would be unreasonable for a BDSM personality to be upset in public
    over the approach of a vanilla. If you wish to mix worlds you have to be prepared to break a few eggs or stretch
    your xenophobia.... no I am not calling you a xenophobe...lol


    It is not correct to my circumstance in BDSM to say my wearing collar and leash was a Goth expression. My file at the VA is resplendent with my discussion with my Doctors on the matter of BDSM...



    There's a very important rule to these sorts of interactions. If you're willing to spend time defending them, odds are you're nowhere near skilled enough to pull them off.

    You're well within your rights to approach and say that you like her outfit. The conversation can then go in ways that allow her to drop hints as to her own tastes if she's so inclined. If not, let the matter drop.

    The two big things to be mindful of are:

    -Asking a stranger about their sexual tastes is a major faux pas. There's some wiggle room if you're asking about their membership in a certain community. But as mentioned above, if you're not sure exactly where the line is, you're probably better off not doing it.

    -Even if she does happen to be a domme and a major player in the community, that doesn't necessarily imply that she's going to dom you right then and there. As with any relationship, it has to happen because the two people involved are interested in each other. Simply being a sub is not enough to automatically attract every dom, especially since the desirable doms probably have plenty of interested subs to chose from already.

    And on that note, being too sexual or too needy too soon is not a good way to attract a dom. It shows that you have rather unhealthy relationship expectations.


    Hi ReMakeYou

    In the situation JOK3ER described, it would be an unusual presentation to a world that is functionally at least publically vanilla. You have no disagreement with me that any interaction with this person would have to be the same as any other. Respect, the definition of which is what you would expect someone to do to you....thank you




    Greta75 -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 4:03:06 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Bhruic
    To me, this sounds as safe as asking a woman if she is pregnant.

    Well, pregnancy is different, that's implying she's fat. That one, you can't save your ass, even if you said you like BBW or something, nothing can save your ass on that one! Ha!

    But how she dresses, to say she looks dominatrix, to me, is no way of an insult at all.

    After all, dominatrix are in a role of a confident, powerful, strong woman who controls men.

    Seriously..., if she reacts with outrage or disgusted look, just apologise and compliment how good the outfit look on her, and I doubt he'd get slap. It's how he go about doing it.




    zombiegurlsos -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 4:03:41 PM)

    I think you both need to kiss and make up this is silly beyond silly. If you can't agree to disagree could you spare us the continued
    efforts to cast each other in a bad light, although JOK3ER, your side looks weaker than hers....... Come on JOK3ER you here to fight or share?




    DocStrange -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 4:08:13 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: J0K3ER
    snip

    the subtle statement you just made is an acknowledge to the subjectivity of my question.
    you just assumed that " I DO NOT GO OUT AND DO NOT TRAVEL" yeah whatever, I know your state by the Inch. plus the other 47 states, plus canada, Mexico, west europe and the middle east and North Africa. so why can I not assume that a lady in 7" high heel-knee high
    boots , chain-belts around her hips is not a fetishism?moreover what is likely to go wrong if I ask, as long as I keep my approach on the polite side.
    and feeders keep alluding to my post as being a sexual harassment attempt , where in my post did i say I would ask her out? or even implied it. I am just doing a gallup poll of whether it is appropriate or not, from both men and women point of view, if you say NO. it is not appropriate. dont stop there please, I'd like to know why it is okay to strike a conversation with a lady and can ask her a very personal question as if she was married or if she is a member of people-helping organization. or is BDSM something people dont recognize as socially acceptable behavior. is BDSM shameful?.



    I made the statement you do not travel much because what you described i see all the time. To presume a person dressed like that must be into Fetishism or BDSM is just a really bad assumption on your part.

    You asked if it was appropriate. I answered your question and said NO. Sorry you do not like my answer but it is still my answer. A man should always act chivalrous (like a gentlemen) when approaching a woman. BDSM is not shameful but it is also not a typical first question you ask a lady. Just as you do not ask other intimate questions of lady when you have not met her before.




    Greta75 -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 4:10:37 PM)

    Last of all, if she's into you, she probably wouldn't be offended. If she didn't like how you look, she'll probably be offended anyway. Lol!

    If you don't take a risk, you never know. She might have a sense of humour and turn out to be really cool, or she might just look at you in horror ha!

    If I was wearing dominatrix-like attire, I probably wouldn't feel offended, personally, at their assumption. I see it from my viewpoint that, I would be curious because I was into bdsm, if that person was into bdsm too.

    It just feels totally non-offensive to me, but that's just me.





    zombiegurlsos -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 4:16:13 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: J0K3ER

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos

    Hi JOK3ER we are departing as a affiliation in this discussion except when you wish to discuss to the topic. I am not
    interested in pissing people off "lokie" and you have a lot of great things to say.
    But I for one am not interested in burning bridges, only in building. So enjoin me on that goal. Yes if someone unfairly
    attacks you expect my support. But I am not interested in zombiegurlsos being identified as a troll
    So everyone if you have been insulted by me I apologize, you treat me with respect and I will double the respect I
    give to you....

    I am not a politician I am a slave, so please don't expect anymore than that of me. I will say brilliant things and sometimes very silly
    things, but my intent is never to harm only to communicate.

    Thank you all

    hi zombie, you missed my point, freedomdwarf1 in his reply revealed severe misconception that was in fact a controversy to modern social life. his fallacy was more like a piece of steak, a T bone steak that needed a good cook to prepare it for the eaters. and because i was not ready to cook it properly so that it can be enjoyed, I left it raw for a better cook instead of burning it out and make it useless.
    but since you believe freedomdwarf1 troll was brilliant, I cant argue. I can only believe that Adam Sandler is every waitress movie star.


    Well So what JOK3ER if what you say is 100% spot on.... I don't and I doubt very many others here come to fight. So maybe you should apply a little rule my Owner stress's with me "Think Twice and speak once, because once a word is spoken it can't be taken back..... You have as much ability as I to become a contributing member of collarspace. I would think twice about pissing it away because JOK4ER is not the same as JOK3ER, catch my drift friend?

    None of us are perfect, trying to be the perfect person is just not a proper goal of collarspace. Be human enjoy your mistakes accept the kind hearted teasing you might receive for a really "interesting" opinion. Stop seeing the bogyman in every post.... Thank you




    J0K3ER -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 4:20:43 PM)

    in my description to the way , manner of approaching such a person i did not go into details in my OP, I described the SITUATION . from there every individual will handle it in his own way, manner. WE DO NOT DEAL WITH THE SAME SITUATION IN THE SAME WAY.
    lets forget about BDSM for a minute , I know it is confusing the hell out of you. according to dwarftroll1's personal space you cannot make contact with other people out of respect to that personal space. fuck you dwarftroll1. personal space or the red line is flexible, people can lay it down at will and retract at will depending on the situation. dwarftroll1 what i understand and always believed in is when you need some thing YOU GO GET IT. 99.99% of women wont hit on men, but they are expecting men to hit on them. I wont just stand there 300 Lbs of guts doing nothing if a lady is emitting signals of approval.




    J0K3ER -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 4:22:54 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

    Most people wearing fetish clothing and obvious collars and such in public are part of the goth scene, not the BDSM crowd.

    Now I personally used to dress to bar-tend at the Fetish Cafe in Antwerp at home, and then took public transport or my scooter into work, I've also got the BDSM triskilian tattooed on me, so over the years I've been asked if I was into kink quite a few time by random people (one day at my vanilla job by a coworker who saw the tattoo when my clothing shifted).

    Whether or not I was upset at being asked always depended entirely on how the person was doing the asking. There were times where it was incredibly annoying and offensive (mainly when I was in the middle of doing something else, and the person somehow felt "entitled" for me to pause and spend time answering questions or explain stuff to them, just because they had "figured it out") and other times where it wasn't offensive at all, and it lead to brief acknowledgements or interesting conversations.

    I think the "how" of asking is a bigger deal that the actual subject itself. But then again, when approaching strange women in public, the response is always going to depend very heavy on how you actually approach her. An innocent vanilla compliment can be very offensive and off-putting if its done in the wrong location, wrong time of night, wrong tone/manner, and while she's busy with something else.

    Medusa,




    J0K3ER -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 4:29:47 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75

    Last of all, if she's into you, she probably wouldn't be offended. If she didn't like how you look, she'll probably be offended anyway. Lol!

    If you don't take a risk, you never know. She might have a sense of humour and turn out to be really cool, or she might just look at you in horror ha!

    If I was wearing dominatrix-like attire, I probably wouldn't feel offended, personally, at their assumption. I see it from my viewpoint that, I would be curious because I was into bdsm, if that person was into bdsm too.

    It just feels totally non-offensive to me, but that's just me.



    ( in order to remain alive, you need to risk your life at least twice a year ) Friedrich Nietzsche




    J0K3ER -> RE: Serious question (10/25/2015 4:33:36 PM)

    quote:


    ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos
    "Think Twice and speak once, because once a word is spoken it can't be taken back.....

    thats true zombie , what was seen cant be unseen.




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