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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

What about this? Violent crime is rising as a result of so called gun control.


Victims of violent crime statistics
Victims of violent crimes from 1996 to 2007 (number)
Note: Number of victims presented here represents revised estimates on numbers published in earlier editions of Australian crime: facts & figures

Year Homicide ...Assault ...Sexual assault ..Robbery ...Kidnapping
1996....354.....114,156......14,542........16,372........478
1997.....364.......124,500.......14,353.........21,305.........564
1998.....334.......130,903.......14,689.........23,801.........707
1999.....385.......134,271.......14,699.........22,606.........766
2000.....362.......138,708.......16,406.........23,336.........695
2001.....347.......152,283.......17,577.........26,591.........767
2002.....366.......159,548.......18,718.........20,989.........706
2003.....341.......157,280.......18,025.........19,709.........696
2004.....302.......156,849.......19,171.........16,513.........768
2005.....301.......166,507.......18,695.........17,176.........730
2006.....322.......172,441.......19,555.........17,375.........725
2007....282.....176,427......19,781........17,988........730


http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/victims.html

Assaults continue to represent the majority of recorded violent crimes.
The overall trend since 1996 has been upward, with an increase of 55 percent between 1996 and 2007.


So your trade off is 63 justifiable homicides in exchange for 70,000 violent crimes and the plethora of associated psychological issues and therapy the victims will suffer as a result of the violent crimes. How does that help us to all get along and sit around the camp fire and singing kum by ah? Seems counter productive and more like an attack on victims and potential victims by removing their ability to defend themselves.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Check the numbers K.

10.5 gun deaths per 100,000 population.
Roughly 335 million people in the US.
Do the maths.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

What about this? Violent crime is rising as a result of so called gun control.


Victims of violent crime statistics
Victims of violent crimes from 1996 to 2007 (number)
Note: Number of victims presented here represents revised estimates on numbers published in earlier editions of Australian crime: facts & figures

Year Homicide ...Assault ...Sexual assault ..Robbery ...Kidnapping
1996....354.....114,156......14,542........16,372........478
1997.....364.......124,500.......14,353.........21,305.........564
1998.....334.......130,903.......14,689.........23,801.........707
1999.....385.......134,271.......14,699.........22,606.........766
2000.....362.......138,708.......16,406.........23,336.........695
2001.....347.......152,283.......17,577.........26,591.........767
2002.....366.......159,548.......18,718.........20,989.........706
2003.....341.......157,280.......18,025.........19,709.........696
2004.....302.......156,849.......19,171.........16,513.........768
2005.....301.......166,507.......18,695.........17,176.........730
2006.....322.......172,441.......19,555.........17,375.........725
2007....282.....176,427......19,781........17,988........730


http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/victims.html

Assaults continue to represent the majority of recorded violent crimes.
The overall trend since 1996 has been upward, with an increase of 55 percent between 1996 and 2007.


So your trade off is 63 justifiable homicides in exchange for 70,000 violent crimes and the plethora of associated psychological issues and therapy the victims will suffer as a result of the violent crimes. How does that help us to all get along and sit around the camp fire and singing kum by ah? Seems counter productive and more like an attack on victims and potential victims by removing their ability to defend themselves.

That's still shit-tons better than almost 352 million gun deaths alone (and almost 100 million homicides) in the US in 2013!!

I would trade 63 homicides against 100 million (in a comparable-sized country) any day of the week.
Even 70,000 general violent crimes are waaay below the gun deaths in the US by a fucking long margin.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Check the numbers K.

10.5 gun deaths per 100,000 population.335
Roughly 335 million people in the US.
Do the maths.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

You cant do the maths. He is correct, and you are incorrect, he never said there were 352 million homicides in the US.

There is an exercise left to the reader, and you aint got the math for it.

352,000,000/100,000 = X hint: answer is 352.

then you work that out times 10.5.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

What about this? Violent crime is rising as a result of so called gun control.


Victims of violent crime statistics
Victims of violent crimes from 1996 to 2007 (number)
Note: Number of victims presented here represents revised estimates on numbers published in earlier editions of Australian crime: facts & figures

Year Homicide ...Assault ...Sexual assault ..Robbery ...Kidnapping
1996....354.....114,156......14,542........16,372........478
1997.....364.......124,500.......14,353.........21,305.........564
1998.....334.......130,903.......14,689.........23,801.........707
1999.....385.......134,271.......14,699.........22,606.........766
2000.....362.......138,708.......16,406.........23,336.........695
2001.....347.......152,283.......17,577.........26,591.........767
2002.....366.......159,548.......18,718.........20,989.........706
2003.....341.......157,280.......18,025.........19,709.........696
2004.....302.......156,849.......19,171.........16,513.........768
2005.....301.......166,507.......18,695.........17,176.........730
2006.....322.......172,441.......19,555.........17,375.........725
2007....282.....176,427......19,781........17,988........730


http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime/victims.html

Assaults continue to represent the majority of recorded violent crimes.
The overall trend since 1996 has been upward, with an increase of 55 percent between 1996 and 2007.


So your trade off is 63 justifiable homicides in exchange for 70,000 violent crimes and the plethora of associated psychological issues and therapy the victims will suffer as a result of the violent crimes. How does that help us to all get along and sit around the camp fire and singing kum by ah? Seems counter productive and more like an attack on victims and potential victims by removing their ability to defend themselves.

That's still shit-tons better than almost 352 million gun deaths alone (and almost 100 million homicides) in the US in 2013!!

I would trade 63 homicides against 100 million (in a comparable-sized country) any day of the week.
Even 70,000 general violent crimes are waaay below the gun deaths in the US by a fucking long margin.

Whoever you got your figures from is an absoulut moron. I think that I would have noticed the death of over 90% of our population.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
If there had been ~352 million gun deaths in 2013, everyone in the entire country would have been dead by the end of the year, and accounting for the remaining ~36 million deaths would require many of them to have been killed more than once, presumably after being resuscitated by aliens so they could be killed again by rampaging freedomdwarves.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

There is an exercise left to the reader, and you aint got the math for it.

352,000,000/100,000 = X hint: answer is 352

then you work that out times 10.5.

Good grief...

352,000,000 ÷ 100,000 = 3,520

3,520 x 10.5 = 36,960

The CDC reports 33,636 firearms deaths (all causes) in a population of ~316 million for 2013, but let's not quibble.

If there had been ~352 million gun deaths in 2013, everyone in the entire country would have been dead by the end of the year, and accounting for the remaining ~36 million deaths would require many of them to have been killed more than once, presumably after being resuscitated by aliens so they could be killed again by rampaging freedomdwarves.

K.