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Aylee -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 11:52:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee When can we expect the sternly worded letter from the White House condemning the French for instigating this violence? (Failure to ban a flag maybe?) Or perhaps an emphatic hashtag. Sixty or so in body bags, and you're scoring partisan points? Incidentally, doesn’t “exploiting” Paris have the presidential seal of the approval? After all, a month and a half ago, as a headline at Democrat house organ The Hill noted, Obama trumpeted that “Mass shootings are ‘something we should politicize.’” http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/255723-obama-mass-shootings-should-be-politicized President Obama on Thursday made an impassioned case that gun violence is “something we should politicize” following a mass shooting at a community college in Oregon.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 11:59:33 PM)
ORIGINAL: dcnovice Bottom line who did stalin murder/kill that did not have it comming? How do you decide who had it coming? Recognized combatants in a declared war. As opposed to "colateral damage" on non combatants such as my lai or cam ne in viet nam, the wholesale slaughter of native americans at places like wounded knee or the lynching of thousands of amerikan blacks for the crime of being black in public.

Aylee -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 12:21:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee When can we expect the sternly worded letter from the White House condemning the French for instigating this violence? (Failure to ban a flag maybe?) Or perhaps an emphatic hashtag. Sixty or so in body bags, and you're scoring partisan points? Incidentally, doesn’t “exploiting” Paris have the presidential seal of the approval? After all, a month and a half ago, as a headline at Democrat house organ The Hill noted, Obama trumpeted that “Mass shootings are ‘something we should politicize.’” http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/255723-obama-mass-shootings-should-be-politicized President Obama on Thursday made an impassioned case that gun violence is “something we should politicize” following a mass shooting at a community college in Oregon.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 1:19:22 AM)
ORIGINAL: Aylee ORIGINAL: dcnovice ORIGINAL: Aylee When can we expect the sternly worded letter from the White House condemning the French for instigating this violence? (Failure to ban a flag maybe?) Or perhaps an emphatic hashtag. Sixty or so in body bags, and you're scoring partisan points? Incidentally, doesn’t “exploiting” Paris have the presidential seal of the approval? After all, a month and a half ago, as a headline at Democrat house organ The Hill noted, Obama trumpeted that “Mass shootings are ‘something we should politicize.’” http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/255723-obama-mass-shootings-should-be-politicized President Obama on Thursday made an impassioned case that gun violence is “something we should politicize” following a mass shooting at a community college in Oregon. France has a second ammend just like ours???who knew?

Marc2b -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 1:31:08 AM)
quote: As much as I'd like to believe this, I think humans have a deep seated need to differentiate oneself from another. Humans will always find a reason to declare one group as superior and certain fringe elements will always advocate for the elimination of the "inferior" group. Then why not eliminate one of those reasons? The stupidest reason of all . . . the belief that an invisible man living in the sky who spends all his time obsessing over what we do with our genitalia and issuing commands over what to do about it.

Marc2b -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 1:56:18 AM)
quote: If it's debatable that Stalin and Mao were acting on their professed and state-enforced atheism, how do we know that other historical figures were actually acting on their religion rather than using it as a cloak? Even if said historical figure were not a true believer, they are still using religion as a justification and to manipulate gullible people. Those of us whose minds are not hobbled by religious belief can see through the nonsense. Religious people can rant and rave about how I should hate gay people or "fornicators," or whoever. I do not feel beholden to join with them because I do not fear god. Not fearing god, I am free to love instead of hate. quote: Since there's no control human race that developed without religion, this falls short of being empirically verifiable. Recent history has show (starting with the rise of the secular governments) that secular societies are much more peaceful and prosperous and free than religious societies. Societies like the Scandinavian nations are well known for their peaceful populations while religious countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc, remain oppressively intolerant. Meanwjile the United States remains caught in the middle with approximately half the populace possessing a modern European style secular outlook while the other half remains mired in an old style European Batshit crazy outlook. quote: If we subtract holy wars, do we also subtract the notion--central to much law and ethics--that humans are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights? No, because you are assuming that notions like law and rights cannot exist independent of religion. This is false. In fact, it is often necessary to use law to counter religion in order to secure our rights. The First Amendment to the Constitution (freedom of religion) is a direct challenge to the first commandment (worship god or die).

Marc2b -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 2:05:02 AM)
quote: President Obama on Thursday made an impassioned case that gun violence is “something we should politicize” following a mass shooting at a community college in Oregon. Good for him. This is an issue that absolutely should be politicized! What is politics if not the debate about governance? Is not one of the purposes of government to protect it citizens from enemies both foreign and domestic? It is been my observation that people who cry "YOU'RE POLITICIZING THE ISSUE," are usually the ones who are losing the debate.

PeonForHer -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 3:12:40 AM)
quote: Good for him. This is an issue that absolutely should be politicized! What is politics if not the debate about governance? Is not one of the purposes of government to protect it citizens from enemies both foreign and domestic? There's a jokey news story going around on Facebook at the moment - headline: "ISIL to train terrorists to go to the USA and open gun shops. 'Fastest way to kill the most Americans!'", said their leader.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 3:20:42 AM)
ORIGINAL: PeonForHer There's a jokey news story going around on Facebook at the moment - headline: "ISIL to train terrorists to go to the USA and open gun shops. 'Fastest way to kill the most Americans!'", said their leader. Simple, straight forward,effecient and diabolically clever. How to fuck someone with their own dick.

Marc2b -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 3:30:59 AM)
quote: There's a jokey news story going around on Facebook at the moment - headline: "ISIL to train terrorists to go to the USA and open gun shops. 'Fastest way to kill the most Americans!'", said their leader. I don't want to hijack this into a gun control thread (though it is certainly a related topic) because it is already branching off into several side topics, but I will say this: While I am not a gun abolitionist it pisses me off that one faction (a well financed, well politically connected faction, unfortunately) has entrenched itself to the point of absurdity. It pisses me off that some people actually believe that dead six year olds', bleeding on their classroom floor, is the "price we have to pay" so that Bubba can continue to enjoy shooting at beer bottles on the fence post . . . er . . . I mean . . . "for our freedom." Seriously, there has top be a sane middle ground. But like I said, this is not the thread for it. At least not for me.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 3:46:56 AM)
I haven't seen you posting in quite a while...welcome back. I notice you are bringing a lot more meat to the table and less potatoes...keep it up.

Marc2b -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 4:10:11 AM)
quote: I haven't seen you posting in quite a while...welcome back. I notice you are bringing a lot more meat to the table and less potatoes...keep it up. Oh, I'll get to the potatoes. But in the meantime, thanks. I took the summer and half the autumn off to spend some time in outdoor play (in both the vanilla and BDSM sense of the word). But it is getting cold again so here I am with more time on my hands. By the way I still think that you're a deliberately provocative, obnoxious, bat shit crazy loon with fascistic tendencies. Just saying. I think I'll go stir up some potatoes.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 4:20:47 AM)
By the way I still think that you're a deliberately provocative, obnoxious, bat shit crazy loon with fascistic tendencies. Just saying. I would agree with deliberately provocative, obnoxious. While I have been accused and indicted many times of being batshit crazy I have never been convicted. As for fascist....no

jlf1961 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 4:34:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Good for him. This is an issue that absolutely should be politicized! What is politics if not the debate about governance? Is not one of the purposes of government to protect it citizens from enemies both foreign and domestic? There's a jokey news story going around on Facebook at the moment - headline: "ISIL to train terrorists to go to the USA and open gun shops. 'Fastest way to kill the most Americans!'", said their leader. Gee, and I thought this sort of thing could not happen in Europe because they have such great gun control laws! This can only happen in the US because the US has no gun control laws that work. Hate to break the bad news to you people, but no law, no matter how restrictive is going to stop any body from getting what they want to do just this kind of thing. Gun control is not a related issue, Marc, since the weapons used were military spec AK's. I am quite positive these animals did not go down to the French version of Wal-Mart or Academy sports and buy these weapons off the shelf. One more point, Donald Trump saying "Strict gun control laws contributed to the tragedy" is so much fucking bullshit. The simple fact, the only contributing factor in this tragedy is that some fucked up people believing that great line of bullshit that the "western" countries are the cause of all their fucking problems and that killing innocent people will fix that is the cause of this tragedy. Of course, we have the "bomb them all to hell" proponents, Trump is a good example, who seem to think that bombing the areas controlled by ISIS and other terrorist organizations will eliminate the problem. All that will do is give these people more reasons to do more of this. The problem is that there are going to be survivors who may not now support ISIS who are going to look at the destruction rained down in retaliation of these attacks and say that the ISIS leaders are right, the west is to blame. The bottom line, people like to kill other people. They do it in the name of religion, democracy, socialism, a soccer team, skin color or what ever fucked up reason they can come up with and blame someone for the crap in their lives that has gone wrong. Humans have been killing other humans since the birth of the species. It aint going stop until the human race is either extinct or we find another intelligent species to kill.

Lucylastic -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 4:37:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: There's a jokey news story going around on Facebook at the moment - headline: "ISIL to train terrorists to go to the USA and open gun shops. 'Fastest way to kill the most Americans!'", said their leader. I don't want to hijack this into a gun control thread (though it is certainly a related topic) because it is already branching off into several side topics, but I will say this: While I am not a gun abolitionist it pisses me off that one faction (a well financed, well politically connected faction, unfortunately) has entrenched itself to the point of absurdity. It pisses me off that some people actually believe that dead six year olds', bleeding on their classroom floor, is the "price we have to pay" so that Bubba can continue to enjoy shooting at beer bottles on the fence post . . . er . . . I mean . . . "for our freedom." Seriously, there has top be a sane middle ground. But like I said, this is not the thread for it. At least not for me. You have posted some good points marc...you have mail:)

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 4:50:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Well, the problem is that Frances best fighting force is the french foreign legion... How successful was that force when it tried ot murder de gaulle? were was the french armed forces in WW I - II dropping weapons and showing they're but to the enemy... point is the french have a better fighting force when it hires non french fighter....

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 4:55:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: adrift This sort of thing will continue to happen until the cost to the perpetrator becomes too high. That appears to be the msg. the "terrorist" seem to be sending to the usa,gb,spain,italy and france. They lost very few fighters and they did lots of physical and psychological damage seems asymmetrical warfare is effective for ISIS

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 4:58:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx How did negotiating with Nazi work out? Here is a hint for those ignorant of the history of ww2. Those negotiations worked out just fine. I have no problem negotiating with my Nazi relatives...lol We compromised on many things.....

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 5:03:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I am thinking of isolation as a very appropriate word here.... how about the West collectively isolate and forget about the east for a couple decades..... I take it you plan or riding a bicycle for a few decades?[8\|] Hum we have plenty of energy to run the country, but if necessary more bicycle riding and walking would be good for most of us. but back to ISIS, we don't need to be the solution Let Wahabis, sunnies and shietes deal with ISIS without the help of the west....

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Paris under attack (11/15/2015 5:15:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 As a matter of interest, the Legion never tried to murder De Gaulle..............The O.A.S. tried any number of times to do so and yes, there were a number of EX_legionaires in that organisation. The Legion per se had no hand in in that though. The putsch of 61 was led by officers of the legion. The units directly involved in the putsch were the 1st and 2nd REP, the 1er REC and the 14th and 18th Regiments of Chasseurs Parachutistes. right so only part of the legion? or every legionnaire was involved? Makes some difference in how you receive the information...

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