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bounty44 -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/29/2015 7:02:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: bounty44 personally, I think there is some psychological disorder going on...beyond that of normal liberalism. How simple minded of you to accuse me of being a liberal. Just because I find fault with your reasoning and your stated positions does not mean I am a liberal nor were I to agree with one of your positions make me a conservative. What it does show is that I am capable of making decisions based on reality,facts and logic instead of some preconcieved notion of a left right paradigm. hey Einstein---the whole "reparation" thing is a "liberal position." institutional racism and white privilege and crying racism literally every time someone who doesn't agree with you, is a liberal position/tactic. so...not quite so much simple minded as observant. so you'll note, since it glaringly escaped you the first time around, my using the term "liberalism" is not the same as my saying "you are a liberal." quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx How many "university studies" have shown some ethnic group to be inferior to some other ethnic group? How many univrsity studies proved the sun revolved around the earth? actually, as to your first point, some have, but more importantly, neither one of those pseudo intellectual questions refute the position about academia being a large source of the furtherance of knowledge. wanna try again and continue to look foolish? especially as you know how to formulate an argument... quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx You may have noticed that I have refuted all of your nonsense with facts and not opinion which is all that you have posted. sorry, the only thing ive noticed in that regard is you are delusional and the only "nonsense" that might exist is in the notion that some of us have that you can actually carry on a rational conversation with people.

thompsonx -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/29/2015 7:30:47 PM)
ORIGINAL: bounty44 hey Einstein---the whole "reparation" thing is a "liberal position. Comrade... the whole reparation thing is about restitution. Do you also feel that the reparations the usa paid the japanese amerikan citizens locked up durring w2 or the reparations the germans paid the jews is a liberal position? " institutional racism and white privilege and crying racism literally every time someone who doesn't agree with you, is a liberal position/tactic. so...not quite so much simple minded as observant. Since I have not brought those issues to this discussion that would be your imagination at work. so you'll note, since it glaringly escaped you the first time around, my using the term "liberalism" is not the same as my saying "you are a liberal." Then perhaps you might parse your meaning for those words for the edification of us all. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx How many "university studies" have shown some ethnic group to be inferior to some other ethnic group? How many univrsity studies proved the sun revolved around the earth? actually, as to your first point, some have, but more importantly, neither one of those pseudo intellectual questions refute the position about academia being a large source of the furtherance of knowledge. wanna try again and continue to look foolish? especially as you know how to formulate an argument... Those two points show that academia is not infalable which you seem to think it is. When you seek to cover yourself with the mantle of academia you cover yourself with the bullshit as well as the gems. So lets not be disingenuous. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx You may have noticed that I have refuted all of your nonsense with facts and not opinion which is all that you have posted. sorry, the only thing ive noticed in that regard is you are delusional and the only "nonsense" that might exist is in the notion that some of us have that you can actually carry on a rational conversation with people. It is only the morons who have trouble carrying on a discussion with me. People who put forth rational arguements and speak to me in a civil tone get the same in return. As for punkassmotherfuckers and assorted fucksticks they get treated as they deserve. Now run along with your contrived petulance...bart simpson wants you to come out and play

CreativeDominant -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/29/2015 10:03:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: bounty44 hey Einstein---the whole "reparation" thing is a "liberal position. Comrade... the whole reparation thing is about restitution. Do you also feel that the reparations the usa paid the japanese amerikan citizens locked up durring w2 or the reparations the germans paid the jews is a liberal position? " institutional racism and white privilege and crying racism literally every time someone who doesn't agree with you, is a liberal position/tactic. so...not quite so much simple minded as observant. Since I have not brought those issues to this discussion that would be your imagination at work. so you'll note, since it glaringly escaped you the first time around, my using the term "liberalism" is not the same as my saying "you are a liberal." Then perhaps you might parse your meaning for those words for the edification of us all. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx How many "university studies" have shown some ethnic group to be inferior to some other ethnic group? How many univrsity studies proved the sun revolved around the earth? actually, as to your first point, some have, but more importantly, neither one of those pseudo intellectual questions refute the position about academia being a large source of the furtherance of knowledge. wanna try again and continue to look foolish? especially as you know how to formulate an argument... Those two points show that academia is not infalable which you seem to think it is. When you seek to cover yourself with the mantle of academia you cover yourself with the bullshit as well as the gems. So lets not be disingenuous. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx You may have noticed that I have refuted all of your nonsense with facts and not opinion which is all that you have posted. sorry, the only thing ive noticed in that regard is you are delusional and the only "nonsense" that might exist is in the notion that some of us have that you can actually carry on a rational conversation with people. It is only the morons who have trouble carrying on a discussion with me. People who put forth rational arguements and speak to me in a civil tone get the same in return. As for punkassmotherfuckers and assorted fucksticks they get treated as they deserve. Now run along with your contrived petulance...bart simpson wants you to come out and play institutional racism and white privilege and crying racism literally every time someone who doesn't agree with you, is a liberal position/tactic. so...not quite so much simple minded as observant. Since I have not brought those issues to this discussion that would be your imagination at work. *****Really? You and others might want to go back through these following posts of yours to see you "not crying 'racism': Posts 57, 81, 101, 106. As for your position that you bring facts? Everything you are calling "cites" and "facts" are not...in fact...backed by any cite you have given because you have not given ANY CITE other than the Atlantic Monthly article. Unless you care to state where your "facts" come from, then...just like any other poster on here who posts without cites and won't provide them ..all they can considered to be is your opinion. Unless you really ARE of the belief that you are the only one who should be considered differently than everyone else...no matter which side of the aisle they're from...Lucy, Bama, Bounty, etc?

thompsonx -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 3:53:34 AM)
institutional racism and white privilege and crying racism literally every time someone who doesn't agree with you, is a liberal position/tactic. so...not quite so much simple minded as observant. Since I have not brought those issues to this discussion that would be your imagination at work. ***Really? You and others might want to go back through these following posts of yours to see you "not crying 'racism': Posts 57, 81, 101, 106. You might want to get an adult who speaks english to explain the difference to you. Take note of the part I bolded in the comrade's statement.** As for your position that you bring facts? Everything you are calling "cites" and "facts" are not...in fact...backed by any cite you have given because you have not given ANY CITE other than the Atlantic Monthly article. Unless you care to state where your "facts" come from, then...just like any other poster on here who posts without cites and won't provide them ..all they can considered to be is your opinion. The numerous links I provided are there even for the willfully ignorant to read. Do you dispute that there were 4 million slaves in the usa on the eve of the civil war? Do you deny that jim crow deprived those freed slaves and their decendants equal protection under the law? Do you deny that thousands of blacks were lynched?Do you deny that the slaves were not paid for their labor? Do you deny that children are entitled to the patrimony of their ancestors? Just which facts I have posited are you disagreeing with?

bounty44 -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 4:51:12 AM)
quote: Since I have not brought those issues to this discussion that would be your imagination at work. hey Sherlock, they are the very underpinnings of your "discussion." want to try again? and I was thinking just this morning too as I was on my way here about your perpetual, at least seemingly so, hatred for America...nah, that's not a liberal position either. or maybe that's all in my imagination too?

thompsonx -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 7:21:22 AM)
ORIGINAL: bounty44 " institutional racism and white privilege and crying racism literally every time someone who doesn't agree with you, is a liberal position/tactic. so...not quite so much simple minded as observant. Since I have not brought those issues to this discussion that would be your imagination at work. hey Sherlock, they are the very underpinnings of your "discussion." want to try again? Comrade you also fail at reading comprhension. Perhaps you might find an adult to explane the difference to you. and I was thinking What with?[8\|] just this morning too as I was on my way here about your perpetual, at least seemingly so, hatred for America That would be your ignorant unsubstantiated attempt to derail this discussion. The discussion is about reparations not your attempt to depict me as anti-amerikan. If you would like to start a thread about said subect I would be more than happy to discuss your igorance of that subject in depth ...nah, that's not a liberal position either. or maybe that's all in my imagination too? You do seem to have a rather active imigaition.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 7:41:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx institutional racism and white privilege and crying racism literally every time someone who doesn't agree with you, is a liberal position/tactic. so...not quite so much simple minded as observant. Since I have not brought those issues to this discussion that would be your imagination at work. ***Really? You and others might want to go back through these following posts of yours to see you "not crying 'racism': Posts 57, 81, 101, 106. You might want to get an adult who speaks english to explain the difference to you. Take note of the part I bolded in the comrade's statement.** As for your position that you bring facts? Everything you are calling "cites" and "facts" are not...in fact...backed by any cite you have given because you have not given ANY CITE other than the Atlantic Monthly article. Unless you care to state where your "facts" come from, then...just like any other poster on here who posts without cites and won't provide them ..all they can considered to be is your opinion. The numerous links I provided are there even for the willfully ignorant to read. Do you dispute that there were 4 million slaves in the usa on the eve of the civil war? Do you deny that jim crow deprived those freed slaves and their decendants equal protection under the law? Do you deny that thousands of blacks were lynched?Do you deny that the slaves were not paid for their labor? Do you deny that children are entitled to the patrimony of their ancestors? Just which facts I have posited are you disagreeing with? Do you deny that you cried racist and/or racism in the posts I noted? If you do, you're lying or you are the one with s reading comprehension problem...of your own posts. You might want to get someone who knows you personally to gently point those out to you. I don't deny the numbers of slaves, I don't deny the hypocrisy of the Jim Crow laws or their devastation., I don't deny the lynchings. What I deny is your continual mention of cites...the fact is, you have named one cite and yet, state that every fact you bring forward is a cite. It isn't. Citing something is giving the source of your facts. You don't. Again, you might want to get an adult to explain that more gently to you. I also deny the need for generalized reparations. That doesn't make me a racist any more than it makes blacks who disagree with reparations "Uncle Toms".

thompsonx -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 8:13:17 AM)
ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant ORIGINAL: thompsonx institutional racism and white privilege and crying racism literally every time someone who doesn't agree with you, is a liberal position/tactic. so...not quite so much simple minded as observant. Since I have not brought those issues to this discussion that would be your imagination at work. ***Really? You and others might want to go back through these following posts of yours to see you "not crying 'racism': Posts 57, 81, 101, 106. You might want to get an adult who speaks english to explain the difference to you. Take note of the part I bolded in the comrade's statement. As for your position that you bring facts? Everything you are calling "cites" and "facts" are not...in fact...backed by any cite you have given because you have not given ANY CITE other than the Atlantic Monthly article. Unless you care to state where your "facts" come from, then...just like any other poster on here who posts without cites and won't provide them ..all they can considered to be is your opinion. The numerous links I provided are there even for the willfully ignorant to read. Do you dispute that there were 4 million slaves in the usa on the eve of the civil war? Do you deny that jim crow deprived those freed slaves and their decendants equal protection under the law? Do you deny that thousands of blacks were lynched?Do you deny that the slaves were not paid for their labor? Do you deny that children are entitled to the patrimony of their ancestors? Just which facts I have posited are you disagreeing with? Do you deny that you cried racist and/or racism in the posts I noted? The post you cite are my pointing out specific racist behaviour...not as alleged "caling racist everyone who disagrees with me. Perhaps you might find an english teacher to explain the difference to you.[8\|] I don't deny the numbers of slaves, I don't deny the hypocrisy of the Jim Crow laws or their devastation., I don't deny the lynchings. What I deny is your continual mention of cites...the fact is, you have named one cite and yet, state that every fact you bring forward is a cite. It isn't. Citing something is giving the source of your facts. You don't. All of the below have been cited for you in this thread that you refuse to acknowledge there pressence speaks volumes. http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm http://www.civilwarcauses.org/stat.htm http://www.11points.com/News-Politics/11_Companies_That_Surprisingly_Collaborated_With_the_Nazis I also deny the need for generalized reparations. Why? That doesn't make me a racist Do you believe that children should inherit from their ancestors? If you do then why do you not feel that the decendents of slaves should inherit what was stolen from their ancestors?**

CreativeDominant -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 10:39:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant ORIGINAL: thompsonx institutional racism and white privilege and crying racism literally every time someone who doesn't agree with you, is a liberal position/tactic. so...not quite so much simple minded as observant. Since I have not brought those issues to this discussion that would be your imagination at work. ***Really? You and others might want to go back through these following posts of yours to see you "not crying 'racism': Posts 57, 81, 101, 106. You might want to get an adult who speaks english to explain the difference to you. Take note of the part I bolded in the comrade's statement. As for your position that you bring facts? Everything you are calling "cites" and "facts" are not...in fact...backed by any cite you have given because you have not given ANY CITE other than the Atlantic Monthly article. Unless you care to state where your "facts" come from, then...just like any other poster on here who posts without cites and won't provide them ..all they can considered to be is your opinion. The numerous links I provided are there even for the willfully ignorant to read. Do you dispute that there were 4 million slaves in the usa on the eve of the civil war? Do you deny that jim crow deprived those freed slaves and their decendants equal protection under the law? Do you deny that thousands of blacks were lynched?Do you deny that the slaves were not paid for their labor? Do you deny that children are entitled to the patrimony of their ancestors? Just which facts I have posited are you disagreeing with? Do you deny that you cried racist and/or racism in the posts I noted? The post you cite are my pointing out specific racist behaviour...not as alleged "caling racist everyone who disagrees with me. Perhaps you might find an english teacher to explain the difference to you.[8\|] I don't deny the numbers of slaves, I don't deny the hypocrisy of the Jim Crow laws or their devastation., I don't deny the lynchings. What I deny is your continual mention of cites...the fact is, you have named one cite and yet, state that every fact you bring forward is a cite. It isn't. Citing something is giving the source of your facts. You don't. All of the below have been cited for you in this thread that you refuse to acknowledge there pressence speaks volumes. http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm http://www.civilwarcauses.org/stat.htm http://www.11points.com/News-Politics/11_Companies_That_Surprisingly_Collaborated_With_the_Nazis I also deny the need for generalized reparations. Why? That doesn't make me a racist Do you believe that children should inherit from their ancestors? If you do then why do you not feel that the decendents of slaves should inherit what was stolen from their ancestors?** Specific racist behavior? Oh please...you might want to get an English teacher to point out to you there is no difference when you speak of my "racism" or that of other posters. I am against generalized reparations. I believe in what these black leaders have to say: that "the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed.". B. Obama that, "Given the fact that there’s plenty of blame to go around for slavery — plenty of blame to go around among African and Arab states, plenty of blame to go around among Western states — I think we’re better to look forward, not point fingers backward" C. Rice that "it's hard to see the space for significant debate on reparations. Instead of focusing on reparations, people must try and find some sort of a unified plan for reviving economic prospects". Artur Davis “The people made worse off by slavery were those who were enslaved. Their descendants would have been worse off today if born in Africa instead of America. Put differently, the terrible fate of their ancestors benefited them. If those who were enslaved were alive, they would deserve huge reparations and their captors would deserve worse punishments than our laws allow. But death has put both beyond our reach. Frustrating as that may be, creating new injustices among the living will not change that.”. Thomas Sowell "Reparations fall into line behind the fight for welfare programs that ‘only subsidized black inertia.’ ‘The demand for reparations,’ he said, ‘is yet another demand for white responsibility, when today’s problem is a failure of black responsibility.'”. Shelby Steele “By failing to draw a distinction between past and present, the reparations issue encourages the view that all blacks are victims, and that all whites are collectively responsible. Simply to regard all members of a group as victims neatly removes such terms as ‘character’ and ‘personal responsibility’ from the cultural dialogue. After all, what need is there for individual striving when it is plainly understood that all the difficulties that blacks suffer are the direct, indisputable result of incidents that occurred centuries ago? The real danger with reparations, then, is that it presumes victim status for all members of a fixed group.” Armstrong Williams “The issue of slavery was very prominent in the minds of the young men who went into the cannon’s mouth during the Civil War,” Keyes said in 2002. “[A] lot of folks went consciously, believing that God called them to give their lives to repair the moral wrong of slavery. Something money could not do. So, they gave their blood. “Now, it seems to me that by the very comparison you’re suggesting, almost I feel an insult to our slave ancestors. You want to tell me that what they suffered can actually be repaired with money? You’re going to do the same thing those slaveholders did, put a money price on something that can’t possibly be quantified in that way.”. Alan Keyes "Reparations advocates argue that this current generation of black people has not shared in the bounty that is America and that any pathology in the black community is rooted in the legacy of slavery. How a monetary payment will address either wrong is unclear, as does the morality of taking money from people who never owned slaves in order to pay people that were never enslaved. But reparations are not about righting historical wrongs; it is about massaging the egos of those leading the movement.”. Joseph C. Phillips "If there is a debt, it was created by another generation, another time and place in our history, and in America we do not embrace the notion that I am responsible for my father’s debts,” Ward Connerly

joether -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 11:11:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Termyn8or I'll go farther than that thompson. THEY OWE US ! That would be your ignorant,peurile unsubstantiated opinion and nothing more. Where the fuck would they be if they had been left there in Africa. In africa of course.[8\|] YOU want to go to Africa and worry about getting eaten alive ? Worry about a neighboring tribe selling you into slavery ? (and I do not meant to Whites, they enslaved each other) Is it your contention that white people never enslaved white people? And eaten alive doesn't just mean by the animals and bugs, I mean by the other homosapiens. Cannibals. You have been watching old t.v programs haven't you? And then if you do survive and have a daughter they will rape her to cure their AIDS. Aids is a 20th century disease. And no food, you get this fucking white mush from charities that could not sustain a fucking lab rat. Only a moron would believe that africans all live on the charity of whites? (lab rats are the best fed animals in the world BTW) Something you know from a personal dietary regimine? And if you survive all that you live in a huit that the wind might blow down, got no heat or AC, cars or electricity, make Gilliogan's Island look like an industrial and technological paradise. Sounds like detroit to me. And now you are here and get welfare and free primary education (such that is is, that is your unruly offspring have made it and made us lower our standards) and Black only scholarships, and a Black only congressional caucus and a Black only Miss America, and it is illegal for US, WHO BUILT THE PLACE, to have anything White only. Why do you think white people built anything? It was white people who were too lazy to work that owned slaves to do the labor that they were too lazy to do themselves and too stingy to pay other white people to do for them. I got a fucking 9 mm. It would figure that you would own a little girls gun. reparation for anyone who thinks we owe them. Fuck them, they owe us. Big. Didn't know what electricity or a screwdriver is back then and now are doctors and engineers. The oldest library in the world is in africa. We helped them quite a bit. Just because some hicks whipped them in the past, fukum. Too bad. You seem to really miss that white priviledge quite a bit. To bad for the Indians, too based for them too. Well of course your white priviledge would extend to those who made your existance possible when your white trash ancestors first got off the boat with no food and needed some chow. Don't like it, I say we al chip in and get any one of them a one way ticket to Zimbabwe. the p;lace is in great shape after being turned over to Black rule. From the breadbasket of Africa to a basketcase in a matter of a few years. Why don't you tell us about your last trip to zimbabwe and what you found there? Go, go and be free of our oppression. Learn to dance with the alligators or whatever the fuck you find in the jungle. Catch diseases from all kinds of insects. Eat monkeys ! Eat each other ! Do as thou wilt. Who would you hate then? And you know what ? That holocaust industry can go take and fuck itself as well. They got enough. Well of course they did...who will be the next group you will use your little girls gun on?[8\|] Taking from us is like taking from the German people before WW2. you know what happened then and do not even think it cannot happen again. Don't use the Nword, but when you get home, among friends, friends who have arsenals in their basement, you use whatever words you want. And one day it comes time to come outside with more lead than every piece of water pipe ever made, but in smaller doses. Administered subcutaneously at great speed. Are you going to stomp your foot and hold your breath too? WE built this motherfucker. And WE might just be the ones to take it down. Really? what did you build, and on whose land did you build it? LOL....that was DAMN FUNNY thompson!

Kirata -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 12:02:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx [...] LOL....that was DAMN FUNNY thompson! Aw c'mon, there has to be a limit somewhere. Praise from you is cruel. K.

thompsonx -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 3:24:49 PM)
LOL....that was DAMN FUNNY thompson! Sometimes the truth is quite humorous

Dvr22999874 -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 3:29:02 PM)
My apologies Thompson but I too found it funny. Good on yer !!!

thompsonx -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 3:33:28 PM)
Big ears,condamnisia rice, uncle tom sowel, alan keys and big chief ward roflmfao[8\|]

thompsonx -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 3:35:25 PM)
ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 My apologies Thompson but I too found it funny. Good on yer !!! While we disagree on many things mate you are a gent.

thompsonx -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 3:37:07 PM)
Do you believe that children should inherit from their ancestors? If you do then why do you not feel that the decendents of slaves should inherit what was stolen from their ancestors?

MrRodgers -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 3:41:16 PM)
The problem always arises when issues and virtually all research is subjected to the filtration of political perspectives. The right believes that almost all college studies are from and thus tainted by liberalism believing all colleges teach liberal thinking. Same for liberals, particularly for studies from so-called right-wing or conservative think tanks. Both disregard findings that don't support their political agendas. Science is now even allegedly biased for either liberal or conservative agendas. I try myself, to look at the big-picture idea of what is conservative believing that our founders and their inspiration most of which came from the historical conservatism which even some on the right or conservative today, now tell us is really liberal thinking. When ? When it doesn't suit their current political agenda. I believe in fact that the single most important reason to get corporate money out of politics is to remove the profit-motive from affecting political agendas and just what are historical conservative objectives, some of which go the heart of the very existence of the legal so-called conservative business regime in the west today. I swear there is yet another book to be written on the very concept of what one could call the bastardization of conservatism, causing an ever more mischievous, reactionary rise...in liberalism.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 3:53:19 PM)
you really can't call him 'Big Ears' until you google an ex-Prime Minister of Australia called 'Billy Sneddon'......................he looked like a yellow cab going down Broadway with the doors open.

thompsonx -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 4:03:36 PM)
ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 you really can't call him 'Big Ears' until you google an ex-Prime Minister of Australia called 'Billy Sneddon'......................he looked like a yellow cab going down Broadway with the doors open. Add prince charlie and in a strong wind they could go formation flying

BamaD -> RE: Unreasonable? (12/30/2015 4:09:14 PM)
Thompsonx said Do you believe that children should inherit from their ancestors? If you do then why do you not feel that the decendents of slaves should inherit what was stolen from their ancestors? So we should put them back in huts, at the mercy of tribal chieftans, without medicine or hope for improvement.

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