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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 1:34:04 AM

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Sweety, of course it does. I've been a Pro-Domme for over 4 years and if sex wasn't included I would be out of a job! What on earth made you think intercourse wasn't part of being a Pro-Domme?

I think there's an amount of snobbery from Pro Dommes who don't have sex with their clients towards those who do! Even now, years on with my pro-Domming days long behind me, I found myself bristling at your words. Of course, I have no right to presume none sex pro Dommes are of a higher calibre than you; in fact its ridiculous!!

I was a pro Domme for years. My website stated, "Sex is not on my menu and any mention of it will highly offend me." None of the network of Pro-Dommes I knew, offered sex as an additional extra and so I've always assumed that MOST pro Dommes don't have sex with their clients. Saying that, most pro Dommes touch a man's genitalia...be it in gloved hands; they may dress provocatively and depending on the type of client they may touch and tease and like someone else mentioned, do things that involve their own bodily parts and even bodily fluids.

Whilst I may not of had sex, I'm more than happy to accept my former days of pro Domming was a form of prostitution simply because I was lending my provocative talents for financial gain. That doesn't make me better than you, it just makes me different than you.

Oh and in the UK, a Dominatrix is usually someone who has sex along with dominance and a Mistress is someone who doesn't have sex with her clients. I know its different in America.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 2:25:46 AM

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All of this is of no matter except to people who want to make judgements.

Having sex or not having sex with clients doesn't make people better or worse. It's just a choice. Sure we all know the legal ramifications of prostitution and of advertising sexual services. It's a thin line depending on your jurisdiction. If someone says no to sex, it should be respected, just as a choice to have sex should not be looked down on. As long as what people do is of their own free will on both sides, I have no desire to judge.

I have no problem with people's choice of sexual behaviour or relationships as long as it's consensual and not designed to genuinely hurt or damage others (except for the obvious "hurt" or "damage" that come with BDSM).

My concerns are about how men often demean women in the sex industry and the fact that some women are exploited rather than being in control of their situation. Other than that all this talk of Pro-Dommes and prostitution is just a way of judging people getting on with their lives and work.

We could all do with living and letting live.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 4:04:01 AM

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We could all do with living and letting live.

Yep!

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 10:43:19 AM

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I believe it is important to know if the woman also does prostitution. Because I don't want to contribute to that energy system. Usually prostitutes are sexually exploited women and are into drugs. I don't want to contribute to it. It's the same thing with people who use cocaine or other hard drugs. They are contributing to an energy system.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 11:21:10 AM

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I believe it is important to know if the woman also does prostitution. Because I don't want to contribute to that energy system. Usually prostitutes are sexually exploited women and are into drugs. I don't want to contribute to it. It's the same thing with people who use cocaine or other hard drugs. They are contributing to an energy system.

Where do you get this BS from? First of all almost everything a pro domme does can be defined as prostitution depending where you are, the law makes no difference if you do CBT or you are giving a HJ, you are touching a cock.

Where do you get the freaking info from that prostitutes tend to be sexually exploited women that are into drugs? You got to stop thinking that every escort is a street walker and has a pimp who supplies her with drugs, there are plenty of young women who do it to finance their education, there are a lot of women who see it as a way to earn money and put it aside for later. They wouldn't touch hard drugs as they know that their looks are their capital.

I however have met some pro dommes who were heavily into their party drugs.

You'll find people who use hard drugs in every walk of life.

You may want to check out her books, she's a Dr. now but was a £300 an hour escort and wrote pretty candid about her experiences...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_de_Jour_%28writer%29

I spent ages in the music industry, you do know that often escorts get hired for the duration of a tour, simply to keep the musician away from groupies for several reasons
1. The escorts won't do drugs because their health is their capital, so they're not edging the musician on do do lines etc.
2. They are health checked, no worries about them giving the guy an STD which would lead to cancellation of the tour
3. No worries about musician ending up with a minor and being jailed (including negative PR)
4. No worries about paternity suits
5. They won't talk to tabloids because they are also quite interested to keep their job hidden

Wouldn't be a job I want to do but if they are happy with it, it's their body and they can decide what to do with it, how are they any worse than the girl you pick up in a bar after you bought her a few drinks? There are plenty of married women who withhold sex until they get what they want, I really don't see the difference apart from the fact that the escort is at least honest about her intentions.

In case nobody forces a woman to do it and they are happy with what they do, it's not your business nor is it mine to pass a judgement on them or spread wild rumours about them being drug addicts and other such BS. For some people sex isn't such a big deal and some just enjoy sex for the sake of it, if they're OK with their choice of profession, let them, or do you want to be one of those idiots who want to "safe women from themselves?"

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 11:24:12 AM

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I believe it is important to know if the woman also does prostitution. Because I don't want to contribute to that energy system. Usually prostitutes are sexually exploited women and are into drugs. I don't want to contribute to it. It's the same thing with people who use cocaine or other hard drugs. They are contributing to an energy system.

Proving that you know nothing about Pro-Dommes.

While it's true that a lot of women who are prostitutes may fit that profile, most Pro-Dommes, whether they engage in sex or not, do not fit that profile at all.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 11:34:38 AM

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Proving that you know nothing about Pro-Dommes.

It's becoming clearer every time he posts that MuscleHeadDom doesn't know much about anything.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 1:18:39 PM

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pro domme, escort, prostitute, muffinwhoremongerer(me), cheats, liars, inflammatory talkers of nonsense, bad stereotypes

They are all the same.
They market themselves differently.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 1:43:56 PM

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pro domme, escort, prostitute, muffinwhoremongerer(me), cheats, liars, inflammatory talkers of nonsense, bad stereotypes

They are all the same.

Bless your socky little heart.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 3:52:19 PM

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I believe it is important to know if the woman also does prostitution. Because I don't want to contribute to that energy system. Usually prostitutes are sexually exploited women and are into drugs. I don't want to contribute to it. It's the same thing with people who use cocaine or other hard drugs. They are contributing to an energy system.

Where do you get this BS from? First of all almost everything a pro domme does can be defined as prostitution depending where you are, the law makes no difference if you do CBT or you are giving a HJ, you are touching a cock.

Where do you get the freaking info from that prostitutes tend to be sexually exploited women that are into drugs? You got to stop thinking that every escort is a street walker and has a pimp who supplies her with drugs, there are plenty of young women who do it to finance their education, there are a lot of women who see it as a way to earn money and put it aside for later. They wouldn't touch hard drugs as they know that their looks are their capital.

I however have met some pro dommes who were heavily into their party drugs.

You'll find people who use hard drugs in every walk of life.

You may want to check out her books, she's a Dr. now but was a £300 an hour escort and wrote pretty candid about her experiences...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_de_Jour_%28writer%29

I spent ages in the music industry, you do know that often escorts get hired for the duration of a tour, simply to keep the musician away from groupies for several reasons
1. The escorts won't do drugs because their health is their capital, so they're not edging the musician on do do lines etc.
2. They are health checked, no worries about them giving the guy an STD which would lead to cancellation of the tour
3. No worries about musician ending up with a minor and being jailed (including negative PR)
4. No worries about paternity suits
5. They won't talk to tabloids because they are also quite interested to keep their job hidden

Wouldn't be a job I want to do but if they are happy with it, it's their body and they can decide what to do with it, how are they any worse than the girl you pick up in a bar after you bought her a few drinks? There are plenty of married women who withhold sex until they get what they want, I really don't see the difference apart from the fact that the escort is at least honest about her intentions.

In case nobody forces a woman to do it and they are happy with what they do, it's not your business nor is it mine to pass a judgement on them or spread wild rumours about them being drug addicts and other such BS. For some people sex isn't such a big deal and some just enjoy sex for the sake of it, if they're OK with their choice of profession, let them, or do you want to be one of those idiots who want to "safe women from themselves?"

From my understanding by what some people have wrote, and several emails sent to me, the Pro-Dommes who work at dungeons do not engage in intercourse, HJ, BJ. They probably don't do drugs or they may. However, the prostitutes who are arrested, and these are the ones I'm referring too because I work in that area, are usually into drugs. It's not clear whether they have drug addictions before they enter into prostitution to pay for their drugs, or if they soon use drugs once they enter the profession. The studies, that you see when you google, "Prostitution And Drug Use" or "Negative Effects Prostitution In Society" are done on these women.

These prostitutes have to numb themselves in their profession - the same with strippers. In rehab they open up and tell you the horrors of the profession. However, if they actively in the profession they will lie because no one wants to hear the horrors of it.

If you feel so highly about prostitutes and the profession, you should go to the elementary schools and encourage young women to enter the field.

You wanted to know where I get my information. I get it from personal experience working in law enforcement. And all you have to do is google it.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/etudes/join/2014/493040/IPOL-FEMM_ET(2014)493040_EN.pdf

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 3:58:07 PM

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pardon stef and your slobbering nonsense.

Before I begin deconstructing your pathetic existence on this site and all you have misled…granted few of my kind versus vast expanses of your kind though.

I am a sock because you are cheat liar non genuine full of shitery and mislead all..tis the genuine you have mislead over all these years I feel sorry for …is this correct.

And you are a non sock because?

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 4:00:29 PM

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I said several times it wouldn't be a job for me but if a woman decides it is for her, it is HER CHOICE

Actually, you live in the US and you possibly only arrest the street walkers, so you focus on them and got tunnel vision, I gave you a link of a woman who is now highly successful as a scientist and worked as an escort, she wasn't enthusiastic about her job, hell, I wasn't enthusiastic about jobs I did as a student, she decided to do escorting...

You seem to suffer from a bad case of tunnel vision.

Since you are working in law enforcement, do tell me, a woman touching male genitalia and not working in the medical field, is that considered prostitution or not? Because in most jurisdictions it is considered just that, the law does NOT make a difference between CBT (cock and ball torture for you) and hand jobs, it's touching genitalia.

If you are working in law enforcement, you are remarkably clueless, may I suggest you work a little bit more on the grey matter and less on the muscles?

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 4:15:39 PM

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@LadyConstanze
Yes, I read the link. Did you read the link I sent you? Heck, you don't even have to read that link. There are 100's others.

If you are suggesting that:
1. most prostitutes don't do drugs
2. most prostitutes are not sexually exploited human beings
3. most prostitutes are NOT forced into it
4. most prostitutes have a choice,
Then google is your worst enemy.

Out of the 100's of articles, you choose one that says otherwise. Out of the 100's of articles claiming that 911 was a terrorist attacks, I can find several that claim George Bush orchestrated it.

You are sugar coating the profession.

You should sit in on some narcotic anonymous meetings. They don't sugar coat the profession.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 4:29:36 PM

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That's fucking BullShit, because in countries where prostitution is legal, there are a lot less pimps and the situation is much different

As for 9/11 he didn't orchestrate it but his politics contributed to it

Again, you didn't answer my question, does touching genitalia when money is exchanged constitute prostitution? A simple yes or no will suffice...

Trust me, I think I may know more cops in the US than you might do, possibly higher ranking too, and they are aware that more than street prostitution exists (something you don't seem to be aware of and how come you decide to rely on a google that by the simple keywords you use manifests your profession?)

I worked as a pro domme along with escorts, totally legal in Europe, pimps were not tolerated nor was drug abuse, I actually talked to the women, most of them were OK with leasing their bodies short term, a lot of them had a goal, tons of prostitutes think BDSM is icky and too weird for them, it is down to personal preference.

This whole BS that every woman in the adult industry is a victim is not true, look, I knew I couldn't have sex with strangers, just not how I'm wired, however I could enjoy BDSM, yes there was a sexual element, a lot of the guys decided to jerk off at the end of the session (again in most US jurisdictions prostitution) didn't fucking bother me, I also didn't mind sticking needles into genitalia or giving them CBT, but seriously, I hope I am not THAT deluded that I ever think anybody who gave a HJ is scum, the touch is different, but essentially we both touched there...

You know how most dommes in the US vet a client? They make him stick a finger up his arse or suck a dildo, because in case he is trying to bust them and is wired, he won't do it because his colleagues would make fun of him, he also wouldn't want to testify THAT.

Try to think outside the box, look elsewhere, you remind me of some feminists who try to make the whole thing illegal as they always like to portrait women as victims, by legalizing prostitution you actually give the women a better chance and you remove the pimps, if they have protection from the law, they don't need pimps for protection and the police can concentrate on the women who don't want to do it, who are forced into it, pus it encourages the women to seek help if they are forced into it.

I'm not claiming it's a freaking great job, but I am leaving the choice up to the women, not somebody who is trying to take their choice away

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 4:31:21 PM

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At the same time, you chose to tar and feather it.

Do you know what I find amusing? Same thread this one spawned from. You had no problem when a person might be a waitress, and perhaps, something else. You focused on your ideal that a person could not be one thing and another at the same time.

You might chose to think about that.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 4:33:45 PM

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MuscleHeadDope.....................I got MY information from the horses mouths (so to speak). I know quite a number of sex-workers and count them among my friends and no, they DON'T do dope, nor do they have to numb themselves to anything. MOST of them in fact, enjoy their work and give good service and they were NOT forced into it. It is their choice and it's totally legal. They are NOT exploited, because they work for themselves and if they work in a brothel, they do it by choice, NOT because their pimp has sent them there.

What is your problem with sex-workers and why have you got such a huge chip on your shoulder about them ? They give a service for money. Isn't that what most jobs are about ? I once had a job where I had to empty a septic tank that hadn't been emptied for 10 years and we had to do it bucket by bucket. If I was a female, I can tell you which job I would have preferred and even now, as a chef, if I was female, I would be doing that work. So pull your big boof-head in and don't criticise what you don't understand or really WANT to understand. you just want to denigrate and insult somebody you consider your inferior, which they aren't.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 4:39:12 PM

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I guess that's where I differ, I do CBT and don't touch cock. My whips, crops, etc do, but never my hands, gloved or not. In no way, shape or form have I engaged in prostitution.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 4:43:56 PM

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@LadyConstanze

I'm not saying I'm against prostitution. If they want to legalize it, fine. But I'm not going to contribute to it.

Just because you had a choice to make and you chose to have sex for money, many women don't have that choice. Many women are forced into it.
To answer your question, if a man answers a Backpage listing where she agrees to fondle his penis for sexual gratification, for money, she is a prostitute.

I don't know what else to say. If you believe that people in narcotics anonymous are not telling the truth, if the research done is full of shit, any article found on google that contradicts your personal experience is a lie, these women who are coming forth saying they are Pro-Dommes and don't even touch the penis are not telling the truth, what else can I say? I still say you are sugar coating the profession.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 4:48:15 PM

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Exchanging sex for money is prostitution. A prostitute may also be a Pro Domme, or a bus driver, or a shipping clerk.

Interestingly, I saw an article about a ruling in Norway. Apparently there it is illegal to offer sex in exchange for driving lessons, but it is not illegal to offer driving lessons in exchange for sex. Go figure.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/21/2015 4:58:20 PM

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MuscleHeadDope......................your mind is made up, so why should I try to confuse you with facts ?

We have a good one here too Bhruic.....................it is illegal for the girl to offer sex without a condom........................it's also illegal for a client to ASK for sex without a condom !! I have often wondered how the cops police that one, except by entrapment.

yes, prostitution is legal in this country and is well regulated. The blue-stockings were horrified and up in arms when it was legalised and foretold the end of the world as we know it...............Tain't happened yet and as long as the girls obey the rules/laws, nobody is bothered or any worse off.

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