RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme?

Collarspace Discussion Forums

Home Login Search

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme?

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme?

Page: << < prev 1 2 3 [4] 5 next > >>

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 5:47:54 PM

Greta75

Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom

Whenever someone says they are paying a prostitute, for what some people consider a low price, many women say, "Well, a Pro-Domme charges at least $200.00" and give reasons why.

My argument is that when a Pro-Domme starts having sex with her clients, for money, she is no longer a Pro-Domme, but a prostitute. A lot of women on this site are disagreeing with this argument.

I would like to hear your input.

I watched on Dr Phil about professional sugar babies who don't have sexual interaction at all. Get paid $500 for their time, just to go out for dinner. What are those?

I think there is too much focus on sexual interaction for exchange of money. To me, it doesn't matter whether there is sexual interaction or not. Men will pay money for a woman's company with or without sexual interaction.

And if the woman is gonna enjoy the sex with him, and get paid for it anyway, why shouldn't she have sex?

Especially Pro-dommes, who are mostly Pro-dommes by choice. They have the choice to choose and decide if sex with the male will bring them pleasure or not.

< Message edited by Greta75 -- 12/22/2015 5:49:33 PM >

(in reply to MuscleBoundDom)

Post #: 61

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 5:55:35 PM

TNDommeK

Posts: 7153
Joined: 3/13/2010
Status: offline

I would call those escorts(they just escort on dates and thats it). Call girls have sex, which to me is a better word that prostitute.

_____________________________

Goddess of Duck Lips and Luxurious Hair
The working Fin Domme
Professional con artist, swindler, trixster, extortionist

Our snark-nado needs more cowbell

(in reply to Greta75)

Post #: 62

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 6:14:38 PM

LadyConstanze

Posts: 9722
Joined: 2/18/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom

Whenever someone says they are paying a prostitute, for what some people consider a low price, many women say, "Well, a Pro-Domme charges at least $200.00" and give reasons why.

My argument is that when a Pro-Domme starts having sex with her clients, for money, she is no longer a Pro-Domme, but a prostitute. A lot of women on this site are disagreeing with this argument.

I would like to hear your input.

I watched on Dr Phil about professional sugar babies who don't have sexual interaction at all. Get paid $500 for their time, just to go out for dinner. What are those?

I think there is too much focus on sexual interaction for exchange of money. To me, it doesn't matter whether there is sexual interaction or not. Men will pay money for a woman's company with or without sexual interaction.

And if the woman is gonna enjoy the sex with him, and get paid for it anyway, why shouldn't she have sex?

Especially Pro-dommes, who are mostly Pro-dommes by choice. They have the choice to choose and decide if sex with the male will bring them pleasure or not.

In the case of pro dommes, part of the allure is that there is no sex, will not be sex, it's all legal in most parts of Europe, so you have different labels, a bizarre lady for example will allow certain intimacies most dommes won't allow, however to assume all bizarre ladies have full on sex is wrong, the general thing (obviously not everybody holds to it as there is no domme board regulation) that somebody advertises as a domme, you can't touch her, bizarre lady, you can touch if she allows it but you have to negotiate and check with her what her limits are, then you have kinky escorts, where sex is pretty much part of the menue but again, you negotiate...

It all depends what the woman is comfortable with, if you are offering more, you will have naturally more clients as most men are into it, however if you are good as a domme, you will have enough clients even without offering sex, again all down to personal preference. The law doesn't give a damn if you tough them with bare hands, gloved hands, a tool, if there is any touch of the genitals and it is not medical, that's it, unless of course if the guy is fully clothed, that's how strip clubs avoid the prostitution label.

None of it is better or worse or anybody is above somebody else, it's all the same field, the sex industry, and if anything escorts are fabulous when it comes warning each other of dangerous clients, they really do work together.

_____________________________

There are 10 kinds of people who understand binary
Those who do and those who don't!

http://exdomme.blogspot.com/2012/07/public-service-announcement.html

(in reply to Greta75)

Post #: 63

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 6:29:19 PM

MuscleBoundDom

Posts: 90
Joined: 9/24/2015
Status: offline

@LadyConstanze

"Where do you get the freaking info from that prostitutes tend to be sexually exploited women that are into drugs?"
Personal experience from my job.
Taking classes and reading research articles

"You seem to suffer from a bad case of tunnel vision."
If I have tunnel vision, then so does all the research done on the topic does.

When one googles, "Prostitution And Drugs" you can see all the research that correlates prostitution and drugs. Even where you live!
"A 1994 study among South London prostitutes showed links between sexual behavior, severity of dependence, and use of heroin, alcohol but rarely, cocaine."

So all those research studies have tunnel vision too?

"Again, you didn't answer my question, does touching genitalia when money is exchanged constitute prostitution? A simple yes or no will suffice."
Touching the genitals constitutes prostitution if money is exchanged and it being a sexual favor.

"This whole BS that every woman in the adult industry is a victim is not true"
Not every women, but a lot are. I guess we read different research topics and books.

"MuscleHeadDope......................your mind is made up, so why should I try to confuse you with facts ?"
WHAT FACTS? You a haven't provided any research articles or studies. Just pure personal opinion.

"This whole idea that going to narcotics anonymous and deducting that if you only target one group of them they all have a problem is ridiculous."
In NA, prostitutes tell how they used drugs in order to make money to buy more drugs. Research shows that it's unclear if they are first addicts who go into prostitution to make money to buy more drugs, or if once they become prostitutes they soon become addicts.

BUT LETS GO BY YOUR WAY.
1. All the research done on prostitution is bullshit and those institutions and communities have tunnel vision
2. All the research done on how women are victimized in the sex trade is bullshit and those institutions and communities have tunnel vision
3. My own personal experience, and all others who have a contradictory view on yours, is all bullshit and we all have tunnel vision.
4. Out of the 100's of research studies that link prostitution with drug use, you pick one that says otherwise and claim this is the truth and all else is bullshit.
5. Your personal experience outweighs any social scientist, psychologists, etc. studies.

Okay, you win. You're right and I concede.

< Message edited by MuscleBoundDom -- 12/22/2015 6:54:46 PM >

(in reply to LadyConstanze)

Post #: 64

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 6:46:07 PM

LadyConstanze

Posts: 9722
Joined: 2/18/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom

@LadyConstanze

You keep saying I have "tunnel vision" concerning prostitutes and drugs. You say that because I work in law enforcement and dealing with prostitutes we arrest.

When one googles, "Prostitution And Drugs" you can see all the research that correlates prostitution and drugs. Even where you live!
"A 1994 study among South London prostitutes showed links between sexual behavior, severity of dependence, and use of heroin, alcohol but rarely, cocaine."

So all those research studies have tunnel vision too?

I've received emails from Pro-Dommes telling me that they are sick and tired of people always thinking that Pro-Dommes have sex. There are even a few who wrote in this post that they don't have sex with their clients. So they have tunnel vision too?

Out of the 100's of research studies that link prostitution with drug use, you pick one that says otherwise and claim this is the truth and all else is bullshit.

Then maybe you learn the laws and you are able to answer my question which so far you didn't do.

I hope in your profession you do not twist the truth as much as you did here, when you claimed that I had sex for money despite me stating I didn't, was that a serious problem in your comprehension or did you deliberately lie? As a police officer?

Again, if somebody says they aren't having sex, in the eyes of the law, does their personal view count or does touching genitals when money is exchanged count as sex? Do you think "I was only doing CBT" will really avoid a prostitution charge? Look, I never had intercourse for money, never gave a HJ or a BJ for money (hope I made that clear enough for you so you don't have to claim otherwise AGAIN, ie just lie through your teeth) however I did CBT, I applied pegs, sounds, genital bondage, slapped cocks with crops, you will find that in the US jurisdiction all that would count as prostitution - even if there are pro dommes who claim they have done all that also claim they didn't have sex for money. Are YOU (yes YOU personally) stand up in a court of law and say to the prosecuter "But it wasn't really, you know they said it wasn't, they wrote to me they don't have sex..." That will fly as well as a lead duck.

No I did not pick one, again, you didn't get it, maybe the requirements for being LE in your part of the world is considerably different than in other parts of the world, or maybe you just made shit up, you quote narcotics anonymous, and I keep telling you that if I go to any institution that deals with substance abuse, I will find people from all walks of life and it is incredibly STUPID to pick one group and claim they all have substance problems. There are doctors, lawyers, factory workers, you name it, they have substance problems, it doesn't mean each and everyone has it.

In case you are a police officer as you claim, talk to your colleagues from the vice squad, in fact you should know what constitutes prostitution and what not, though you do seem remarkably unaware of it, which does make me wonder quite a bit. Basically most cops don't want to deal with it, it's considered a bit of a shit job, they don't really care about prostitution as long as no minors are involved and no crime happens, in Vegas they usually only get busy if theft happens, oddly enough Vegas is very very keen on busting pro dommes, as LE, it won't be difficult for you to check out the legal situation and why.

Seriously, if you are a police officer as you claim to be (which I really really don't buy) you must be the most clueless cop in all of the US

_____________________________

There are 10 kinds of people who understand binary
Those who do and those who don't!

http://exdomme.blogspot.com/2012/07/public-service-announcement.html

(in reply to MuscleBoundDom)

Post #: 65

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 6:59:47 PM

Dvr22999874

Posts: 2849
Joined: 9/11/2008
Status: offline

Hey, I know a couple of cops in Brisbane and a couple in Sydney that take dope....................all cops are junkies

I also know a number of gay cops......................all cops are gay.

I know of one who is so stupid he couldn't tie his shoelaces without help from mommy..............................need I go any further ?

(in reply to LadyConstanze)

Post #: 66

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 7:00:09 PM

MuscleBoundDom

Posts: 90
Joined: 9/24/2015
Status: offline

@LadyConstanze

I hope that you do not twist the truth as much as you did here, when you claimed that I said I was a police officer, despite me stating I wasn't a police officer. I work in law enforcement but I'm not a police officer. Was that a serious problem in your comprehension or did you deliberately lie?

Besides, I already conceded. All the research and studies done is all bullshit and your personal opinion is the truth.

(in reply to LadyConstanze)

Post #: 67

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 7:11:16 PM

Dvr22999874

Posts: 2849
Joined: 9/11/2008
Status: offline

Well at least you got something right

(in reply to MuscleBoundDom)

Post #: 68

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 7:18:53 PM

LadyConstanze

Posts: 9722
Joined: 2/18/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom

@LadyConstanze

I hope that you do not twist the truth as much as you did here, when you claimed that I said I was a police officer, despite me stating I wasn't a police officer. I work in law enforcement but I'm not a police officer. Was that a serious problem in your comprehension or did you deliberately lie?

Besides, I already conceded. All the research and studies done is all bullshit and your personal opinion is the truth.

My personal opinion is that you are full of it, you refuse to answer questions, deliberately tell lies, apparently according to your profile you are in LA, I am so going to have a field day with that, I happen to be there often...

Let's put the facts right then, you aren't even law enforcement, just checked your profile, you're a fitness instructor and you claim you work with a rehabilitation facility, that facility only deals with prostitutes then?

Oh and if you don't even want to know people who might have a soda, maybe you shouldn't really indulge in the party sized pizza that you show in your profile.

Btw I have several PR clients in LA, a lot of them found charities, homeless, drug rehabilitation, the problem with the usual ones where people are sentenced to go are that they are **** useless, because all they do there is talk about drugs, last thing a person who wants to come off drugs does, hence the need for charity funded ones. I had a rather long conversation with a lady who is a massage therapist (medical massages, worked for a bunch of doctors) who has a problem with H (and please, not every medical massage therapist has a heroin problem), she said the problem is that they help you to get off with drugs that won't let you go cold turkey, then you end up in a room with a bunch of other addicts, some **** says "let's talk about drugs and what makes you want drugs" which - according to her (sorry I never had a substance problem apart from having been a smoker in the past) makes people crave the drug again, and then there is no help, no getting out of the environment, nothing.

I took the liberty to just ring her up and ask her how many of the people in her programs were "on the game" she was totally confused and said none. Funny that....

_____________________________

There are 10 kinds of people who understand binary
Those who do and those who don't!

http://exdomme.blogspot.com/2012/07/public-service-announcement.html

(in reply to MuscleBoundDom)

Post #: 69

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 7:32:03 PM

MuscleBoundDom

Posts: 90
Joined: 9/24/2015
Status: offline

"My personal opinion is that you are full of it, you refuse to answer questions"
I answered your question in one of my posts. In case you skip reading other people's posts, besides your own, I'll "re-post" it.

"Again, you didn't answer my question, does touching genitalia when money is exchanged constitute prostitution? A simple yes or no will suffice."
Touching the genitals constitutes prostitution if money is exchanged and it being a sexual favor.

"deliberately tell lies"
Give me examples

"apparently according to your profile you are in LA, I am so going to have a field day with that, I happen to be there often."
Yes I do live in LA. But now I understand why you think I'm full of shit. When you come to LA you've never seen me!

"you aren't even law enforcement"
I never claimed that I was a police officer, only you did that. I do work with law enforcement.

"you claim you work with a rehabilitation facility, that facility only deals with prostitutes then?"
No it doesn't. But there are ex-prostitutes who do attend because it's part of their sentence.

"Btw I have several PR clients in LA, a lot of them found charities, homeless, drug rehabilitation, the problem with the usual ones where people are sentenced to go are that they are **** useless"
You're several PR clients in LA must be right - NA meetings where people are sentenced to are useless - because they found charities and other good deeds. Makes sense to me.

So answer my question.
Is all the research done on "Prostitution and drug use" "Exploited women" etc., full of bull shit?

< Message edited by MuscleBoundDom -- 12/22/2015 7:45:16 PM >

(in reply to LadyConstanze)

Post #: 70

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 7:50:36 PM

LadyConstanze

Posts: 9722
Joined: 2/18/2005
Status: offline

I kept repeatedly asking you about touching genitals, and your claim that if pro dommes do not have sex, so I asked you if the law makes a difference (which is does not) but I wiggled around and skipped and gave answers to questions I never asked

quote:

While a pro domme (at least legit ones) won't have sex with their clients, in the eyes of the law a lot of the things they do will still count as prostitution

You kept wiggling around and not answering

I stated several times that having sex for money would not be an option, however I do not feel that it is my right to tell women that they can't do that, you claim

quote:

Just because you had a choice to make and you chose to have sex for money, many women don't have that choice.

How is that NOT you LYING through your teeth, or were you much to dense to understand? In case you were too dense, should you be allowed out without a keeper, or even be allowed to work with vulnerable people?

So SOME women on the game are part of the program, how about all the other professions? Automatically all of them also all exploited drug addicts? And again, you possibly deal with street walkers, women who had no choice as they had to feed a habit, to assume every woman who engages in escorting is a street walker is at best naive, so naive that I feel obliged to caution you not to give your SSC to strangers or your PIN.

You live in LA and you say you are a personal trainer, if you are just halfway good at what you do, you must have the odd celebrity client, you do know about Hollywood, you do know how many actresses worked as escorts, you do know how many women working regular jobs work as escorts? Most of them don't do drugs, but you know as well as I do that it is one of the most flourishing businesses in LA, and nope the girls don't need to advertise much, not the higher end, and they get hired because they don't do drugs, and obviously you do know that most of the porn stars also do escorting, they are ALL on drugs?

Sonny, you really need to get out a bit more

_____________________________

There are 10 kinds of people who understand binary
Those who do and those who don't!

http://exdomme.blogspot.com/2012/07/public-service-announcement.html

(in reply to MuscleBoundDom)

Post #: 71

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 8:00:40 PM

Wayward5oul

Posts: 3314
Joined: 11/9/2014
Status: offline

Not my dogfight, but a couple of points that I have gotten curious about as well:

quote:

ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom
"Again, you didn't answer my question, does touching genitalia when money is exchanged constitute prostitution? A simple yes or no will suffice."
Touching the genitals constitutes prostitution if money is exchanged and it being a sexual favor.

This answer is still unclear to me, because of the 'it being a sexual favor' part. Who determines that-the sex worker or the officer charging the sex worker with prostitution?

quote:

ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom
I never claimed that I was a police officer, only you did that. I do work with law enforcement.

actually you stated that you had years of experience working in law enforcement. There is a HUGE difference between working IN LE and working WITH LE. So yes, that was misleading.

(in reply to MuscleBoundDom)

Post #: 72

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 8:17:24 PM

LadyConstanze

Posts: 9722
Joined: 2/18/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Not my dogfight, but a couple of points that I have gotten curious about as well:

quote:

ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom
"Again, you didn't answer my question, does touching genitalia when money is exchanged constitute prostitution? A simple yes or no will suffice."
Touching the genitals constitutes prostitution if money is exchanged and it being a sexual favor.

This answer is still unclear to me, because of the 'it being a sexual favor' part. Who determines that-the sex worker or the officer charging the sex worker with prostitution?

quote:

ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom
I never claimed that I was a police officer, only you did that. I do work with law enforcement.

actually you stated that you had years of experience working in law enforcement. There is a HUGE difference between working IN LE and working WITH LE. So yes, that was misleading.

Well the think is that in LA just allowing a guy release while you are in the same room can be considered prostitution, you touch genitals and you are not a medically licensed professional and there is an exchange of money, it is prostitution. Actually in LA if you give an enema and you get busted, you have 2 choices of claiming guilty, prostitution or practising medicine without a license...

The working in law enforcement also threw me, I mean the person delivering pizza is working WITH them at the moment he's doing his job, he is no in LE...

_____________________________

There are 10 kinds of people who understand binary
Those who do and those who don't!

http://exdomme.blogspot.com/2012/07/public-service-announcement.html

(in reply to Wayward5oul)

Post #: 73

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 8:41:04 PM

MuscleBoundDom

Posts: 90
Joined: 9/24/2015
Status: offline

@LadyConstanze

I did make the statement,

You wanted to know where I get my information. I get it from personal experience working in law enforcement. And all you have to do is google it.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/etudes/join/2014/493040/IPOL-FEMM_ET(2014)493040_EN.pdf

I meant to say, "working with law enforcement."

My apologies.

So now answer my question.

The research done on Prostitution and drugs, which actually says they are intricately related, not "only a few do drugs" is all bullshit?
And I could list dozens of research articles, but all you have to do is google it.

(in reply to LadyConstanze)

Post #: 74

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 9:37:50 PM

LadyConstanze

Posts: 9722
Joined: 2/18/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom

@LadyConstanze

I did make the statement,

You wanted to know where I get my information. I get it from personal experience working in law enforcement. And all you have to do is google it.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/etudes/join/2014/493040/IPOL-FEMM_ET(2014)493040_EN.pdf

I meant to say, "working with law enforcement."

My apologies.

So now answer my question.

The research done on Prostitution and drugs, which actually says they are intricately related, not "only a few do drugs" is all bullshit?
And I could list dozens of research articles, but all you have to do is google it.

Oh apparently you missed

this http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4867947

AND

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4867955

How about you google yourself without the bias? As I said, you only focus on prostitutes, and the girls who are really at the bottom of it all, what you do is like saying "the people on skid row are mostly drug addicts and desperate therefore everybody in LA is poor and desperate..."

There are countless arguments why legalizing prostitution would benefit the women and everybody, would remove the drug abuse and exploitation, obviously you didn't look for them, you also decided to only look at one segment of prostitution, not the whole picture

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-america-should-legalize-prostitution-2013-11?IR=T

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/08/11/one-benefit-of-legalised-prostitution-seen-in-new-zealand/

You always focus on the same narrow margin and on a paper that shows the opinion of several women who are notorious for their agenda of "saving women and stopping them doing what should be their choice" have you missed this little bit in the study you keep quoting

The opinions expressed in this document are the sole responsibility of the author and do
not necessarily represent the official position of the European Parliament

It's a rather biased one sided report that mainly focuses on trafficking and forcing children into prostitution, something we can all agree is wrong, however what if you remove that and just concentrate on the women willingly doing their job without a pimp? You want to take their right to do what they want with their bodies? How would you feel if somebody told you you can't work out the way you want anymore?

You obviously also haven't seen this

http://www.enotes.com/research-starters/sociology-prostitution

Now excuse the question, but weren't you the guy who claimed that BDSM doesn't involve anything illegal? Yes, I think you were, apart from the fact that hitting another person (frequent BDSM activity) is considered assault in the eyes of the law and you can't ever consent to it.

So there goes that pretty absurd statement you made here: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4865611

And then you complain about how women charge too much and compare having sex to flipping burgers, again not reading that dude pays her 100 per night and not per hour
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4866641

Oh and you don't respect women who scoff at $100 an hour, you claim to be a personal trainer, you know, errrrrr, in LA that's $200 to $500 an hour if you are any good, yet you scoff at a woman who earns $100 for having sex with a guy the whole effing night?

Oh you also don't respect women who earn more than $100 an hour, tell you what, I'm not sleeping with my clients, I'm not having a BDSM relationship, I handle their PR and reputation management, I don't work for $100 an hour, not because I am greedy but because the going rate is a bit higher, I'm damned good at what I do (the scandals you don't hear about, yep, means I was good at my job), why on earth would I charge a rate that would make my clients think I can't demand what I'm worth? Trust me, if it comes down to bad headlines, the damage it would do to the product they are selling would be wayyyyyyy more, if I'd charge less they'd believe they're not getting the best. I believe it is pretty much the same way with personal trainers, check with Aaron Guy and several other personal trainers, you want Yoga and Tai Chi as part of it, you're again dishing out quite a bit, they are highly qualified and damned good. They don't do drugs, pretty much like the good escorts don't, in fact quite a lot of the top escorts employ them as their looks pretty much translate to income. You really really think that one of the working girls making several K a night is going to ruin the looks by doing drugs? You find more drugs on Venice Beach than you find with escorts that are not working in crack houses or are street walkers.

Shit, you do know that I got more drugs of all sorts offered training in gyms (even Gold's with that ridiculous elevator) than at any music industry event? Isn't that a bit odd?

_____________________________

There are 10 kinds of people who understand binary
Those who do and those who don't!

http://exdomme.blogspot.com/2012/07/public-service-announcement.html

(in reply to MuscleBoundDom)

Post #: 75

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 9:54:30 PM

MuscleBoundDom

Posts: 90
Joined: 9/24/2015
Status: offline

In one of the articles that you linked it said,

"Prostitution affords unskilled women one of the best opportunities to make a living wage. While there are economic benefits of prostitution, the less tangible costs are high. Sex workers suffer inordinately from addiction, low self-esteem, and violence. In the eyes of many, prostitution is immoral, degrades women, and contributes to the spread of disease."

Even the article you link said, "Sex workers suffer inordinately from addiction"

You are saying I have tunnel vision because I'm focusing on prostitutes where it's illegal. Just like all the articles I linked, where the research was done on prostitutes where it's illegal. (Of course I did come across several research studies that said the same thing in London.)

You are saying if society legalizes prostitution those problems will go away. But it also sounds like you are saying that many prostitutes (escorts) don't do drugs, even in societies where it's illegal, such as USA. IF you are saying that, then you are contradicting even the articles you linked.

< Message edited by MuscleBoundDom -- 12/22/2015 9:59:28 PM >

(in reply to LadyConstanze)

Post #: 76

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 10:06:52 PM

LadyConstanze

Posts: 9722
Joined: 2/18/2005
Status: offline

Again you have a comprehension problem, you don't see the difference and causality

The women who have a drug problem would have a drug problem even if they would not be prostitutes, ever heard of addictive personalities? They didn't become drug users because they are prostitutes, they became prostitutes because they needed to finance a habit, however they tend to be street workers and yes, the view "society" has on them contributes to low self esteem and all that which will encourage drugs.

You go a step up to escorts who have better clientel or high class call girls, you will not find drugs, yet they are prostitutes.

Can't you see? There is a massive difference, prostitution doesn't make people take drugs (ffs, half of the actresses in Hollywood have an escort past yet they don't seem to be desperate junkies) but a drug habit might make people turn to prostitution, especially on the cheaper end of it.

You are trying to blame prostitution for everything, and the fact that you actually look down on women who prostitute themselves does contribute a LOT to the problem.

You know drug taking amongst body builders is actually worse than amongst prostitutes, yet you don't seem to have a problem with that....

_____________________________

There are 10 kinds of people who understand binary
Those who do and those who don't!

http://exdomme.blogspot.com/2012/07/public-service-announcement.html

(in reply to MuscleBoundDom)

Post #: 77

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/22/2015 10:21:29 PM

MuscleBoundDom

Posts: 90
Joined: 9/24/2015
Status: offline

"prostitution doesn't make people take drugs"
In the classes I've taken they claim it does. In research papers they claim it does.

If someone wants to learn about this and googles, "Does prostitution lead to drugs?" There will appear pages after pages of research articles that will say it does. Go ahead and do it.
If someone googles, "Prostitution doesn't lead to addiction" You won't find any research that supports this. You get the opposite.

However, I did find a research article that partially may support your personal opinion.
US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health
"It is not clear whether substance abuse is one of the factors that pushed these women into prostitution (as noted earlier, 55% of the subjects reported being addicted prior to their prostitution involvement) or whether it was prostitution that caused their drug involvement."
In other word, they don't know.

How come there isn't any research to support your personal opinion, yet there is plenty of research that says otherwise?
Is it because these research studies were done on prostitution where it's illegal?

< Message edited by MuscleBoundDom -- 12/22/2015 10:25:44 PM >

(in reply to LadyConstanze)

Post #: 78

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/23/2015 11:00:19 AM

DocStrange

Posts: 1076
Joined: 6/10/2015
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom

"prostitution doesn't make people take drugs"
In the classes I've taken they claim it does. In research papers they claim it does.

musclebounddumb,
You really need a better education. People turn to prostitution and robberies to support their drug habit. Not the other way around. Drug addiction happens first, then the people seek was to fund their habit. Prostitution and robbery and the two most common ways.

(in reply to MuscleBoundDom)

Post #: 79

RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/23/2015 3:54:46 PM

MuscleBoundDom

Posts: 90
Joined: 9/24/2015
Status: offline

What about the research that supports that many prostitutes who enter the profession are not drug addicts. However, after a while they develop addictions?
Google, "Does prostitution lead to addiction?" "Does prostitution lead to drug use?"

However, there is no research to support that all people who enter prostitution are addicts.

Why do you think that is?

(in reply to DocStrange)

Post #: 80

Page: << < prev 1 2 3 [4] 5 next > >>

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme?

Page: << < prev 1 2 3 [4] 5 next > >>

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.109