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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/23/2015 4:22:18 PM   
DocStrange


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What about the research that supports that many prostitutes who enter the profession are not drug addicts. However, after a while they develop addictions?
Google, "Does prostitution lead to addiction?" "Does prostitution lead to drug use?"

However, there is no research to support that all people who enter prostitution are addicts.

Why do you think that is?

musclebounddumb,
It is very well known and documented that substance abuse can and does lead to prostitution. There is plenty of research on this subject. Below are just a few. Go back and get educated

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7143150
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=63886
http://rehab-international.org/blog/heroin-addiction-prostitution-one-woman-shares-story
http://www.addictionhelpcenter.com/is-there-a-connection-between-prostitution-and-drug-or-alcohol-addiction/




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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/23/2015 4:55:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are confusing me with another poster (LadyConstanze) who is claiming that many prostitutes aren't involved in drugs. She is implying that it's the street walkers who have drug addictions, not the other prostitutes.
"You go a step up to escorts who have better clientel or high class call girls, you will not find drugs, yet they are prostitutes."

I listed the same research article that you did saying what you said. I'm not arguing with you on this matter. Maybe you should read the posts before replying. You're argument on this subject is with her, not me.

My argument is that not everyone goes into prostitution to fulfill their addictions. Even the above mentioned LadyConstanze would agree with that.
So you will have to argue with her about that.

From the research that I've read, prostitutes tend to become addicted, even if they weren't originally.

US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7143150
The existence of a relationship between substance abuse and prostitution in and of itself does not imply causality. It is not clear whether substance abuse is one of the factors that pushed these women into prostitution (as noted earlier, 55% of the subjects reported being addicted prior to their prostitution involvement) or whether it was prostitution that caused their drug involvement (30% became addicted following and 15% concurrently with their prostitution involvement).


DocStrange, meet LadyConstanze. You two can battle that out.
This is the last time I'm responding to any of your posts. I don't enjoy talking with children who resort to name calling.


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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/23/2015 5:37:45 PM   
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Btw I have several PR clients in LA, a lot of them found charities, homeless, drug rehabilitation, the problem with the usual ones where people are sentenced to go are that they are **** useless, because all they do there is talk about drugs, last thing a person who wants to come off drugs does, hence the need for charity funded ones. I had a rather long conversation with a lady who is a massage therapist (medical massages, worked for a bunch of doctors) who has a problem with H (and please, not every medical massage therapist has a heroin problem), she said the problem is that they help you to get off with drugs that won't let you go cold turkey, then you end up in a room with a bunch of other addicts, some **** says "let's talk about drugs and what makes you want drugs" which - according to her (sorry I never had a substance problem apart from having been a smoker in the past) makes people crave the drug again, and then there is no help, no getting out of the environment, nothing.



Sorry for the sidetrack:

LC, I have wanted to say this for a long time, but you seriously rock. If you are ever in LA again, I would love to meet you in person. We have a similar love for animals and perhaps slightly similar careers. But I do not go to my collarspace email ever, so you'd have to reach out to me on my email address. I looked on your blog and did not see a contact area.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/23/2015 6:58:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know a thing about Pro-Domme's or prostitution except what's on the news. I don't want to get in a middle of a fight but I thought this was an interesting thread, even though there was some trolling. :)

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/24/2015 12:43:08 AM   
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I hope this clarifies things for the OP. I know someone who is a Pro-Domme and works at a popular dungeon. She says Pro-Dommes do not engage in any sex acts (intercourse, BJ, HJ) with their clients. However, a Dominatrix will. Prostitution isn't part of being a Pro-Domme but it's part of being a Dominatrix.

In other words, if a Pro-Domme has sex with her client, she ceases to be a Pro-Domme and is now a Dominatrix.

I hope that helps.


Not really, since your Pro-Domme friend is clueless.

Pro-Dommes may or may not engage in sex acts - it's entirely up to them and the arrangement they make with the client.

The term "dominatrix" refers to a dominant woman, who may or may not be a pro-domme.

I hope that helps.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/24/2015 12:56:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think there's any compelling evidence of the link you claim.

There are a host of reasons why a prostitute may take drugs, and prior addiction certainly crops up a hell of a lot in the research.

At best you can claim that "some research indicates that prostitution causes some women to take up drug use"

There is far more evidence that poverty drives many women to prostitution, and in many cases that poverty is caused by drug addiction.



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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/24/2015 5:56:43 AM   
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Btw I have several PR clients in LA, a lot of them found charities, homeless, drug rehabilitation, the problem with the usual ones where people are sentenced to go are that they are **** useless, because all they do there is talk about drugs, last thing a person who wants to come off drugs does, hence the need for charity funded ones. I had a rather long conversation with a lady who is a massage therapist (medical massages, worked for a bunch of doctors) who has a problem with H (and please, not every medical massage therapist has a heroin problem), she said the problem is that they help you to get off with drugs that won't let you go cold turkey, then you end up in a room with a bunch of other addicts, some **** says "let's talk about drugs and what makes you want drugs" which - according to her (sorry I never had a substance problem apart from having been a smoker in the past) makes people crave the drug again, and then there is no help, no getting out of the environment, nothing.



Sorry for the sidetrack:

LC, I have wanted to say this for a long time, but you seriously rock. If you are ever in LA again, I would love to meet you in person. We have a similar love for animals and perhaps slightly similar careers. But I do not go to my collarspace email ever, so you'd have to reach out to me on my email address. I looked on your blog and did not see a contact area.

Akasha



I have to look for you email and send you mine, I'm actually at least 3 to 6 months a year in LA due to work, it's pretty often short notice though (nature of my work)

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/24/2015 6:04:25 AM   
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I don't think there's any compelling evidence of the link you claim.

There are a host of reasons why a prostitute may take drugs, and prior addiction certainly crops up a hell of a lot in the research.

At best you can claim that "some research indicates that prostitution causes some women to take up drug use"

There is far more evidence that poverty drives many women to prostitution, and in many cases that poverty is caused by drug addiction.





Hell yes, and by having regulations, the women are less vulnerable, in most countries where they decriminalized prostitution, the women don't need to be afraid of the police, they can go to the police for help, they don't need to rely on pimps for protection, you free up a lot of police who can concentrate on trafficking, minors, drug abuse and all that.

But apparently the ones who are so against prostitution aren't concerned about the women at all, they don't give a damn about them, which I find really upsetting.

By criminalizing it, you force them into a situation where they have to hide, where they can't go to the police for help, where they have no protection at all, the protectors they can get are then pimps who can exploit them.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/27/2015 12:51:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Prostitution occurs the moment she exchanges sexual gratification for money.

It matters not one whit what she's calling herself. She's still a whore.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/27/2015 1:01:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Prostitution occurs the moment she exchanges sexual gratification for money.

By that definition a fair number of married women are prostitutes.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/27/2015 1:04:37 PM   
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Prostitution occurs the moment she exchanges sexual gratification for money.

By that definition a fair number of married women are prostitutes.
Why, yes. If a woman marries a man for lifestyle, then she is a whore. How very astute of you.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/27/2015 1:13:04 PM   
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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/27/2015 1:47:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hear Hear Lady Constanze !!!.................The only sex-workers with pimps here are the ones who actually WANT pimps, or those who work in illegal situations....................unlicensed and thus, illegal brothels or similar. And yes, the girls DO feel a lot safer about being able to call the cops for help and not be expected to be abused or ignored by them

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/28/2015 5:56:54 AM   
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Prostitution occurs the moment she exchanges sexual gratification for money.

By that definition a fair number of married women are prostitutes.



What do you call those guys then who are happy with her having a job, contributing to the life-style, yet still leaving the burden of the house work on her and expecting her to comply with all sexual demands? Pimps?

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/29/2015 5:44:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		In legal language sex for money = prostitution, plain and simple! In New York (and most, if not all, other states) this includes strap-on play.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/31/2015 2:18:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Prostitution is of course a mater of supply and demand.

I am lost as to why there should be so much name calling about honest commercial transactions. It's all the illegality that creates the majority of the dark criminal activity around these activities. As for moral judgement, if people are being unfaithful to their partners then they are the ones breaking their relationship contracts, and not sex workers (of any description) who are providing an open service.

Female sex work no more causes infidelity than it causes drug addiction, yet women in the sex industry are blamed for themselves being the social ill.

We can proscribe activities such as those in the sex industry or drug taking (not directly linked) but we will do nothing to address the harms some claim are associated with those such as trafficking, coercion, theft, organised crime and violence, until we provide protection to the people at most risk. Prostitutes and drug takers do not bring us all these ills although they are often the victims of them.

We should be criminalising the right things and that does not include selling sex industry services, whether you define them as Pro-Domme, Dominatrix, call girl or prostitute.

I should add that I make none of these points because I am a punter, I just dislike the condemnation of people (mainly women) going about their business and often being abused or worse for doing so.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 12/31/2015 6:23:06 AM   
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I should add that I make none of these points because I am a punter, I just dislike the condemnation of people (mainly women) going about their business and often being abused or worse for doing so.


I don't think you need to be one or want to do the jobs to have enough compassion to not want to see somebody else being harmed doing their job or being treated as "less than human".

This whole condemnation might come from the need to look down on somebody, the same reason why some people feel the need to be rude to service staff.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 1/19/2016 12:20:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		No reason she can't be both, but really, prostitute is usually used as an insult and it's up to the individual to decide whether or not they are comfortable with identifying as such.

Sex work is a very broad category, and there's no shame in falling somewhere under the umbrella. Pro-domme sex workers are just as valid as those who never touch their subs.

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RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With... - 1/19/2016 12:27:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you Belle.............it's just another line of work in the service industry. A service is offered, accepted, provided and paid for. If the client is happy with that service, they return; if not, they don't. What's difficult or demeaning about that ? Thank the gods it's legal in this country.

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