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RE: Black Lies Matter - 12/31/2015 6:23:46 PM   
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i'll buy that was indeed the case bama---what im chafing at a little bit was the wording "When it was made impossible for blacks to have two parents at home..."

the "impossible" is predicated on welfare being the absolute only alternative, as well as the heavily implied reason "that's why the baby daddy leaves in the first place."




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RE: Black Lies Matter - 12/31/2015 6:52:28 PM   
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i'll buy that was indeed the case bama---what im chafing at a little bit was the wording "When it was made impossible for blacks to have two parents at home..."

the "impossible" is predicated on welfare being the absolute only alternative, as well as the heavily implied reason "that's why the baby daddy leaves in the first place."




I was simply pointing out that it isn't just blacks that are hit with the system.
It doesn't force the breakup of familes, but it does enourage it, by providing excuses.

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RE: Black Lies Matter - 12/31/2015 7:52:43 PM   
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So why does it not destabilize white families... or is it only blacks that are deliberately the victims of destabilization? Considering more whites than blacks get welfare it should be a bigger problem for whites .... what do you think? Or are there different welfare rules for blacks than whites..and all other groups.

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RE: Black Lies Matter - 12/31/2015 8:15:44 PM   
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Most of you are deliberately ignoring the deliberate destabilization of black families.

In the UK, people who are out of work receive help no matter if the father is still in the home. For over 60 years, black women were not eligible for aid if their husbands were home.

Recidivism rates of criminals are far reduced if during prison they are put into group therapy that addresses this.

We know that children are far more likely to succeed if they come from two parent families. When it was made impossible for blacks to have two parents at home, the results were predictable. Higher gang rates, higher drop out rates, higher criminalization rates.


Look, I quite agree with much of this. Turn of the century blacks and whites had roughly the same % of single parent homes.
Fast forward to the decades after the war on poverty - and you can see black families broken apart so that now something like 83% of black children are born out of wedlock. And more than 10 times as many children are born to black children ages 12-14, than any other race.

There is no question that Democrat policies have destroyed the black family.

I worked in a prison for black youths, a program that had the lowest recidivism rate in the state, and one of the lowest in the nation. The question of recidivism rates is more complicated than you portray.
Recividism rates increase when there are no jobs. So it is not simply a question of treatment.

Likewise, it is not true that women were not eligible if there husbands were present. It was that they got MORE aid if both households were separate.

Finally, as deluded as democrats are, I don't believe that they deliberately set out to destroy African Americans, despite their long history of the same. Perhaps they do.
But whether it was subprime loans, minimum wage, the war on poverty, I think the democrats attempted to help people.

They were just disastrous failures.

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RE: Black Lies Matter - 12/31/2015 10:35:23 PM   
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Doesn't anyone here know the history of the welfare system in the US? The black family was essentially destroyed by the end of the movement to the cities after the WWII industrialization from Southern share cropping rural residence patterns. Despite the massive repression of Reconstruction, the black family before the Depression in rural America was more married than whites and attended church more. When the economy collapsed after the Roaring 20s, welfare or living off the land foraging and hunting in unfarmed forest or marginal land was about it. The whole rural economy collapsed and welfare was instituted, a NEW practice. The political rulers in the South were all white, and exclusively Blue Dog Democrats, in no way or fashion what is now termed a Liberal. All the welfare food programs in the areas with black families were carefully written so that only households without an able bodied male could qualify. This meant that married or not, the father had to leave if the kids were to eat. Many black men started the later mass movement to Northern cities looking for work, which mostly didn't exist till the economy recovered with the impetus of rearming as the war in Europe was obvious and threatening.
The father exclusion laws continued many places till most programs came under Federal rules and even then, local application reflected white prejudice against black males getting any food or money. By the Fifties, the pattern of female led households, often 3 generations held together by the Grandmother was seen all over black America. The more married and more religious black family had become the opposite in less than 2 generations.
As rural economies recovered more slowly, mass migration from areas where sharecropping no longer fed a family, to Northern cities hungry for laborers, led to concentration in urban slums and black neighborhoods that were massively underserved by infrastructure, education, welfare, health care and protective policing. No family tradition long survives desperate circumstances without strong cultural and religious traditions. Both racism and economic exploitation ruled over the older pattern of strong black families. The drug plagues of heroin, coke and later ice, and the corruption and economic dislocations those brought finished off much of the remaining culture of marriage.
The most effective anti-murder campaign in Detroit was one that brought successful black fathers back to the communities they escaped from through education and ambition. They then became role models working with ghetto kids who hadn't actually known any black fathers living with their kids, cashing a regular paycheck, and paying a mortgage. Which role models were transformative for an amazing number of the kids, who turned away from street dealing, gang wars and the early death they knew came with it, and worked for Their dream of a life like other people thought normal. Yeah, Liberal programs suck! Only, there Aren't any others trying to help.
LBJ's War on Poverty tried to remedy much of this, but most programs were co-opted by racist local authorities or simply ruined with many Poison Pills adverse legislators inserted originally or managed to get introduced later.
Saying the many mid century programs were failures is to simply know nothing of history. America went from a rural and immigrant worker culture to by the late Fifties being a strong well paid working class and middle class society with home owner ship unprecedented in urban and suburban areas. We are now seeing this vanish as wealth has managing to subvert the tax structure and continue to lower real wages for those who do the work of the society. Not only the black and white working class is being attacked, but much of the middle class is losing it's position as taxation focuses on the comfortable who don't have the disposable income to organize politically and seek favors the same way investors and the wealthy upper class can.
In disturbing amounts, current racial tensions are instigated and aggravated by 'Conservatives' who seek to deflect attention from who they serve and are paid by, those benefiting from the accelerating concentration of wealth in the top levels of US society. "Family Values" candidates who only vote for programs that make life more difficult for real families are the poster child for this victory of propaganda over realistic public perception. Being at a generally lower economic level, the black family suffers proportionately more, but all working families are seeing a lowering of living standards and aspirations.


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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 6:48:48 AM   
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https://www.sofmag.com/some-russian-special-forces-badassery-with-a-title-that-makes-no-sense-russian-special-forces-against-the-russian-mafia/?w3tc_note=flush_all

Russian Cops vs lawlessness. Don't think there is much of an outcry there, but wont' swear to it.


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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 8:13:24 AM   
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This forum is predominantly American, if it was predominantly Russian you'd like see stories more like that ^^ The black lives matter issue is relevant because it's a big issue in your country, so of course it would be discussed. You as Americans have the power to make changes when it comes to these issues, but Russia? You know fully well who is in power there and that it's beyond your ability to control. So instead of trying to distract from the current issue and point at some other god awful thing that no one in your country can change, maybe you should grow a pair and start actually looking at the issues in your country that you can, such as the insane level of police brutality you face no just against minorities, but just in general.

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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 11:01:40 AM   
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the entire black lives matter movement is a farce.
First, Factually speaking, the number of police killings of blacks is miniscule to black on black violence.

The police are entrusted with the safety of all citizens. The rate at which a black person is killed by a police officer has nothing to do with the rate at which black citizens are killing other black citizens. Your statement is implying that it's okay because they are worse. I don't know that I believe you truly believe that way, and I would hope you do not. As long as police on black violence isn't for the same reasons as black on black violence, I think we would agree, that would be great (and I'm not implying that it is for the same reasons).
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Second, The racial profiling that occurs is a reasonable result of the experience of cops. When 13% of the population is committing 55% of the crime expect cops attitudes to develop accordingly.

I doubt it's really 55%. That said, I don't doubt that 13% of the population is only committing 13% of the crime.
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Third. Its no one's job other than you - to make sure your life matters. You want your life to matter - get off welfare, get a job, make a difference

I think the public educational system is failing the black and/or poor community worse than we know. I continually hear stories from teachers, about other teachers passing kids on to the next grade before the student is actually ready academically. When that happens, it makes it that much more difficult for that student to catch up with his/her peers. Get enough teachers shirking the standards, and you'll have blacks and/or poor adults who are not ready for a job, and it's not necessarily that adult's fault.
It's true that black lives matter. It's just part of the truth, however, that all lives matter.

Go to the FBI crime database and read the stats. Black young adults - 13 % of the population commite 55% of the murders in that agegroop. 60^ of the assaults, 74% of the arsons.
Most people are uneducated on just how over represented blacks are.


I know where those stats come from. I'm just leery that ALL crimes are being taken into account. The FBI stats are only complete for crimes that were committed, and the information was complete.

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As for the rate of police killings related to black on black violence. BS.
Putative police brutality has become a cause celebre among the left. A position which is entirely undeserved. If you want to improve black lives, do it by protesting black illiteracy not by protesting police brutality. Protest black broken families. Protest the black drug culture.
"Police brutality" has NOTHING to do with why blacks are where they are. Ie., the police portion of the problem is so small as to be immaterial. You want to not be shot by police? Don't be packing under the influence. Don't be belligerent. Don't endanger the officer's life.


Just as I figured. We agree on this stuff more than not.

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Frankly, I wish black lives mattered more. I would like to see more black success stories. But the fact that they don't is more about crime than it is about police brutality. Its more about poor life choices than it is about racism.


I agree. But, holding people responsible, rather than placing blame elsewhere isn't popular among those with the "entitlement mentality."

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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 12:00:49 PM   
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Frankly, I wish black lives mattered more. I would like to see more black success stories. But the fact that they don't is more about crime than it is about police brutality. Its more about poor life choices than it is about racism.


well, I guess if being born poor was a "poor life choice" maybe that would be true.. but the fact is that people born poor more often than not dont have anywhere near the resources and opportunities to make good life choices than rich white people have.. that is why there has been a segregation in various cities where the poor (mostly black) people live in certain areas and the rich (mostly white) people live in other areas where poor black people cant afford to live.. the rich areas get the best teachers and schools, the best medical facilities, the most jobs too.. and its getting worse, imo..

As just one example of what poor black people have to live with.. here the North Houston ISD was so badly managed that it had to be taken over by another ISD.. there were many kids whose education records and proof of graduation were no where to be found, those records disappeared.. How does a young black person that went thru school, did his/her best to get good grades and graduate get a job when they cant prove that they even went to school??? How disgusting is that?

"Ortiz is 45 years old and homeless. It s a situation that he says didn t have to happen.

That s because Ortiz was offered a job at Anheuser- Busch s Houston bottling plant last year after he was laid off.

Something to keep me not only on my feet, but to prosper, he told the I-Team.

All that stood between Ortiz and the job was proving he graduated high school.

It should have been no problem. He showed the I-Team a picture of himself in the Forest Brook High School yearbook.

Ortiz was wearing his cap and gown, pictured with his classmates in the class of 1987.

But when Ortiz went to pick up a copy of his high school transcript, he couldn t believe what he was told.

There was no record of transcripts, explained Ortiz. No records of anything. No records of grades, graduation, nothing.

It was like he never attended Forest Brook at all."


http://www.khou.com/story/news/investigations/2014/07/25/12476652/

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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 3:36:01 PM   
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I was with you until the welfare comment...sure there are blacks on welfare and some that are taking advantage of the system as well but you can hardly accuse a whole race, or black matters protesters, of being on welfare and unemployed.

Butch



He can, because he constantly talks bollocks. The notion you can equate police shooting civillians with criminal gans is bullshit.

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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 3:47:25 PM   
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Frankly, I wish black lives mattered more. I would like to see more black success stories. But the fact that they don't is more about crime than it is about police brutality. Its more about poor life choices than it is about racism.


well, I guess if being born poor was a "poor life choice" maybe that would be true.. but the fact is that people born poor more often than not dont have anywhere near the resources and opportunities to make good life choices than rich white people have.. that is why there has been a segregation in various cities where the poor (mostly black) people live in certain areas and the rich (mostly white) people live in other areas where poor black people cant afford to live.. the rich areas get the best teachers and schools, the best medical facilities, the most jobs too.. and its getting worse, imo..

As just one example of what poor black people have to live with.. here the North Houston ISD was so badly managed that it had to be taken over by another ISD.. there were many kids whose education records and proof of graduation were no where to be found, those records disappeared.. How does a young black person that went thru school, did his/her best to get good grades and graduate get a job when they cant prove that they even went to school??? How disgusting is that?

"Ortiz is 45 years old and homeless. It s a situation that he says didn t have to happen.

That s because Ortiz was offered a job at Anheuser- Busch s Houston bottling plant last year after he was laid off.

Something to keep me not only on my feet, but to prosper, he told the I-Team.

All that stood between Ortiz and the job was proving he graduated high school.

It should have been no problem. He showed the I-Team a picture of himself in the Forest Brook High School yearbook.

Ortiz was wearing his cap and gown, pictured with his classmates in the class of 1987.

But when Ortiz went to pick up a copy of his high school transcript, he couldn t believe what he was told.

There was no record of transcripts, explained Ortiz. No records of anything. No records of grades, graduation, nothing.

It was like he never attended Forest Brook at all."


http://www.khou.com/story/news/investigations/2014/07/25/12476652/

Did they save the records of the poor white kids? Or are you just ignoring that it happens to both?

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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 4:00:34 PM   
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My sister was on welfare and they wouldn't pay her if there was a man in the house. Also if she got even a part time job she would lose more benifits than the job could make up for. So the program at that time was about control than race.
Of course since I didn't go to the wellfare office and read their regs for myself this is (according to some) only hearsay.



Apart from the man in the house, pretty much the same here in the UK, somebody can make £15 a week with a part time job and it ends up costing them £90 in benefits, in my opinion not very helpful to get people out of the poverty trap or even getting them back into the working life. Realistically the longer you are unemployed the harder to find employment, if they'd change it a bit and say for example "We take the amount of your part time job off the benefits, but at the same time that extends the time you can claim benefits", it would make much more sense to encourage people to get part time jobs, it would also burden the system less and make it easier for those people to find jobs.

Yes, you would still have some people abusing the system, but that is small beans if you compare it to what big corporations get away when it comes to tax evasion, in the end there is no system that can't be abused, but screwing people over who really need help can't be the answer. I can't blame somebody who says "I can't afford to work as I would have much less than collecting benefits", but I can blame the system that works like that and use my vote to try and change it.


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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 4:12:07 PM   
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My sister was on welfare and they wouldn't pay her if there was a man in the house. Also if she got even a part time job she would lose more benifits than the job could make up for. So the program at that time was about control than race.
Of course since I didn't go to the wellfare office and read their regs for myself this is (according to some) only hearsay.

Apart from the man in the house, pretty much the same here in the UK, somebody can make £15 a week with a part time job and it ends up costing them £90 in benefits, in my opinion not very helpful to get people out of the poverty trap or even getting them back into the working life. Realistically the longer you are unemployed the harder to find employment, if they'd change it a bit and say for example "We take the amount of your part time job off the benefits, but at the same time that extends the time you can claim benefits", it would make much more sense to encourage people to get part time jobs, it would also burden the system less and make it easier for those people to find jobs.


I really like that idea, LC. The welfare system should only be to help those who need temporary help to get back on their feet and for permanent assistance for those who have no capacity to provide for themselves.

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Yes, you would still have some people abusing the system, but that is small beans if you compare it to what big corporations get away when it comes to tax evasion, in the end there is no system that can't be abused, but screwing people over who really need help can't be the answer. I can't blame somebody who says "I can't afford to work as I would have much less than collecting benefits", but I can blame the system that works like that and use my vote to try and change it.


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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 4:20:01 PM   
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Frankly, I wish black lives mattered more. I would like to see more black success stories. But the fact that they don't is more about crime than it is about police brutality. Its more about poor life choices than it is about racism.


well, I guess if being born poor was a "poor life choice" maybe that would be true.. but the fact is that people born poor more often than not dont have anywhere near the resources and opportunities to make good life choices than rich white people have.. that is why there has been a segregation in various cities where the poor (mostly black) people live in certain areas and the rich (mostly white) people live in other areas where poor black people cant afford to live.. the rich areas get the best teachers and schools, the best medical facilities, the most jobs too.. and its getting worse, imo..

As just one example of what poor black people have to live with.. here the North Houston ISD was so badly managed that it had to be taken over by another ISD.. there were many kids whose education records and proof of graduation were no where to be found, those records disappeared.. How does a young black person that went thru school, did his/her best to get good grades and graduate get a job when they cant prove that they even went to school??? How disgusting is that?

"Ortiz is 45 years old and homeless. It s a situation that he says didn t have to happen.

That s because Ortiz was offered a job at Anheuser- Busch s Houston bottling plant last year after he was laid off.

Something to keep me not only on my feet, but to prosper, he told the I-Team.

All that stood between Ortiz and the job was proving he graduated high school.

It should have been no problem. He showed the I-Team a picture of himself in the Forest Brook High School yearbook.

Ortiz was wearing his cap and gown, pictured with his classmates in the class of 1987.

But when Ortiz went to pick up a copy of his high school transcript, he couldn t believe what he was told.

There was no record of transcripts, explained Ortiz. No records of anything. No records of grades, graduation, nothing.

It was like he never attended Forest Brook at all."


http://www.khou.com/story/news/investigations/2014/07/25/12476652/



I can't begin to elaborate on my disdain for using anecdotal stories as if they supported a distorted political conception. Did he go to the school district?
I seriously doubt most schools have graduation records from 28 years earlier.

time and time again you see immigrants comng to this world with nothing - just the shirt on their back. They don't even speak the language.
Why is it that they succeed? Whether you talk about the Vietnamese after the Vietnam war, the Koreans after the Korean war, the irish, the Italians, the Cubans. Mexicans. even Mexicans that are black
they come across the boarder and work to send money to their families back home.



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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 4:21:10 PM   
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I do disagree a bit that the welfare system should only be temporary, I mean how about the elderly or people with disabilities? Things aren't going to change for them and they aren't worth less as human beings.

I think one of the flaws the systems have is that they do create a poverty trap, and I think most people stuck in that trap would rather be out of it, I really don't sweat the few who see living off welfare as a career, in the great scheme of what the government spends money on, they're a blip on the screen. Our politicians waste a lot more on frivolous expense claims and such or supporting laws that benefit their "sponsors" but end up costing the economy.

That's a bit like worrying about the LED night-light in a kid's room while having the heating on full blast and leaving all the doors and windows open.

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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 7:13:59 PM   
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I do disagree a bit that the welfare system should only be temporary, I mean how about the elderly or people with disabilities? Things aren't going to change for them and they aren't worth less as human beings.

I think one of the flaws the systems have is that they do create a poverty trap, and I think most people stuck in that trap would rather be out of it, I really don't sweat the few who see living off welfare as a career, in the great scheme of what the government spends money on, they're a blip on the screen. Our politicians waste a lot more on frivolous expense claims and such or supporting laws that benefit their "sponsors" but end up costing the economy.

That's a bit like worrying about the LED night-light in a kid's room while having the heating on full blast and leaving all the doors and windows open.


It is an unsupported assumption that more is wasted by politicians.

More than 52% of federal spending is for entitlement spending. Up until last year, more new people had been put on social security disability than had found jobs. SNAP growth is unprecedented.


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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 7:39:52 PM   
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I think the following post is amazingly illustrative on why blacks need to abandon the democrat party.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/01/chicago_email_release_deepens_rahm_emanuels_crisis_over_teen_shooting_by_police.html

quoting the good bits.

...in early December 2014, Scott Ando, head of the Independent Police Review Authority — publicly touted by the mayor as uniquely independent in its probes of police shootings — singled out the case. He sent an email to the mayor's deputy chief of staff, Janey Rountree, with a link to a website that raised questions about police accounts of the shooting. (snip)

Though the Independent Police Review Authority, or IPRA, is supposed to maintain a distance from police and the mayor's office, a March 11 email from Ando asks about forwarding witness interview transcripts to the law department "for their use in settlement negotiations with" the McDonald family.

This scandal is just getting rolling. It has the potential to be a huge election year embarrassment for the national Democrats, damaging enthusiasm for turning out among the crucial African-American constituency that provides a quarter of the Democrats’ vote.

And interestingly, the State Department’s Hillary Clinton email release yesterday indicated how deep an interest Hillary took in her friend Rahm’s election:

"[P]ls keep me updated on all the Mayoral gossip. I can't tell yet whether Rahm will actually decide to run. So it will be a wild ride the next few months," Clinton wrote to longtime friend Betsy Ebeling in Sept. 2010.

Clinton had reached out to him while he was on vacation in Aug. 2010, just before he resigned to run for mayor of Chicago, and offered to clear her schedule if he was free for a call.

Previous email releases indicated Clinton maintained her friendship with Emanuel long after he left the White House. She has refused to join in the chorus of Democrats calling for his resignation in the wake of a Chicago police shooting scandal.

If I were Rahm,I’d be worried about the underside of a bus approaching, for Hillary needs black turnout. On the other hand, Rahm knows where quite a few Clinton skeletons are buried, possibly because he may have buried them himself.


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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 7:54:37 PM   
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I think successful black people who came from difficult backgrounds, like Ben Carson, should form a "Black people can control their own destiny" group, rather than "Black Lives Matter".

And they should do a country wide tour, sharing with black youth, their personal struggles and how they overcome everything despite their terrible environment or upbringing.

How they can help themselves.

Infact when I see Ben Carson, I feel like better than being President, he would be able to improve the lives of multiple black youths more directly, if he lead a positive campaign like this. And it has to be lead by black people. I'm just surprise no such positive movement exists. Black Lives Matter to me, does not help black youths make their lives better and help them improve their life. It's really a negative campaign which promotes the mindset of victimization.

Sometimes, people just need personal touch, personal inspiration and a hero to emulate. But this person has to be one of them who have lived in their shoes.

Because anything a white person say to try to help black people, it would be filled with distrust and rebuttal about how white people make it impossible for them to be successful.

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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 8:01:48 PM   
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I think successful black people who came from difficult backgrounds, like Ben Carson, should form a "Black people can control their own destiny" group, rather than "Black Lives Matter".

And they should do a country wide tour, sharing with black youth, their personal struggles and how they overcome everything despite their terrible environment or upbringing.

How they can help themselves.

Infact when I see Ben Carson, I feel like better than being President, he would be able to improve the lives of multiple black youths more directly, if he lead a positive campaign like this. And it has to be lead by black people. I'm just surprise no such positive movement exists. Black Lives Matter to me, does not help black youths make their lives better and help them improve their life. It's really a negative campaign which promotes the mindset of victimization.

Sometimes, people just need personal touch, personal inspiration and a hero to emulate. But this person has to be one of them who have lived in their shoes.

Because anything a white person say to try to help black people, it would be filled with distrust and rebuttal about how white people make it impossible for them to be successful.

Are you saying that anything a white person says to help blacks would be dismissed because of black racism?

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RE: Black Lies Matter - 1/1/2016 8:18:35 PM   
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God, this whole thread is garbage.

• American police officers killed 74 unarmed black people in 2015.

• unarmed black men were seven times more likely than unarmed white men to die by police gunfire.

• An analysis of F.B.I. data from 2010 to 2012 concluded that the police killed black men ages 15 to 19 at a rate 21 times greater than the statistic for white men the same age.


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