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Don't you think it possible that the situation in many inner cities has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism?
Butch

I also think no---liberalism or conservatism are social/political worldviews that externally (that is, the policies our government sets and practices) affect the structure of our lives, and internally and probably more importantly, the types of choices we make.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Don't you think it possible that the situation in many inner cities has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism?
Butch

I also think no---liberalism or conservatism are social/political worldviews that externally (that is, the policies our government sets and practices) affect the structure of our lives, and internally and probably more importantly, the types of choices we make.

If this were the case than you would have to believe that blacks were lazy shiftless people just waiting to take advantage of liberal welfare. I don't believe you do... or i hope not.

I am not disagreeing that welfare and other liberal social services are being taken advantage of...and that this attitude has become ingrained in some inner city areas. What i am saying is it is not liberalism that put these people on this path but racism and lack of job opportunities.

Lets go back to the beginning of welfare. African Americans families at that time were suffering from racism and no jobs. To meet your contention they would have had to give up working...their self respect...and had a desire specific to black Americans to take advantage of liberals... OR... They needed help desperately and took what help they could get. I believe that because of racism and a desperate situation they took the help...not because they are lazy or shiftless. If they had not then they would have suffered greatly at the hands of that eras oppression... Help was needed then...and it still is. Being hungry and desperate has little to do with being liberal or conservative.

Today the history of many inner city African Americans has formed a non-functioning society and if we don't figure ways to solve these problems together our society will continue to deteriorate. Blaming Democrats for something we all had a hand in is not the way to go in my opinion anyway.

Butch

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and yes, i believe being hungry does have to do with being liberal or conservative. when it comes down to final choices, i see it as, do i take care of myself, do i allow others to help me, do i allow the government to help me, or do i expect/demand the government to help me.

one can view those choices along a continuum of the social political spectrum, the first pair being on the right, the latter pair being more on the left.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Most of you are deliberately ignoring the deliberate destabilization of black families.

In the UK, people who are out of work receive help no matter if the father is still in the home. For over 60 years, black women were not eligible for aid if their husbands were home.

Recidivism rates of criminals are far reduced if during prison they are put into group therapy that addresses this.

We know that children are far more likely to succeed if they come from two parent families. When it was made impossible for blacks to have two parents at home, the results were predictable. Higher gang rates, higher drop out rates, higher criminalization rates.

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God, this whole thread is garbage.

• American police officers killed 74 unarmed black people in 2015.

• unarmed black men were seven times more likely than unarmed white men to die by police gunfire.

• An analysis of F.B.I. data from 2010 to 2012 concluded that the police killed black men ages 15 to 19 at a rate 21 times greater than the statistic for white men the same age.

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and yes, i believe being hungry does have to do with being liberal or conservative. when it comes down to final choices, i see it as, do i take care of myself, do i allow others to help me, do i allow the government to help me, or do i expect/demand the government to help me.

one can view those choices along a continuum of the social political spectrum, the first pair being on the right, the latter pair being more on the left.

You may not realize it, but you probably don't take care of yourself and get government handouts in a variety of fashions. Have you ever deducted your mortgage interest from your taxes? If so, all taxpayers without mortgages helped finance your home. Have you taken the exemptions for your children or any of the numerous tax credits available for them? If so, anyone without children has subsidized your choice to have children. Did you send your kids to public schools? If so, anyone without a child in that school system helped subsidize your child's education. Face it, almost all Americans have their hand out looking for something free, why is there such a focus on the poor? I didn't even mention any of the bank bailout or numerous corporate subsidies (which amount to more than the budget for public assistance).

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I didn't even mention any of the bank bailout or numerous corporate subsidies (which amount to more than the budget for public assistance).

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Face it, almost all Americans have their hand out looking for something free, why is there such a focus on the poor? I didn't even mention any of the bank bailout or numerous corporate subsidies (which amount to more than the budget for public assistance).

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You are missing the point.


The highest rate crime rate in the USA is white-on-white crime with the highest homicide statistics in the nation, but this would be unrelated to rate at which police officers shot and killed white people.

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These idiots hold more dear to myths than to history -- so fragile is there being that they have no choice otherwise.

They know, **but won't admit** that the BLM movement is not asserting that black lives are more precious that white lives. BLM is underling an indisputable fact -- that the lives of black citizens in this country historically have been discounted and devalued. People who are unacquainted with this history are therefore uncomfortable with the language of the BLM.

BLM is pretty similar, actually, to the voting rights and civil rights actions of the past -- namely not wanting to be devalued as voters or citizens -- and in the case of BLM not to be mistreated by the police.

Not only do many whites feel hostile to BLM, they actually align themselves with the Police and George Zimmerman. Somewhat similar to the Police officer who shot Tamir Rice, there's little empathy or concern for the life (lives) taken. The officer in the Rice case didn't even try to administer any kind of first aid and just let a twelve year old boy bleed out on a playground. It's really hard to regard such a Police as a public servant.

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that the BLM movement is not asserting that black lives are more precious that white lives.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic-apps/year-of-reckoning-police-kill-nearly-1000/2015/12/26/e9697506-9cfd-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34246-the-washington-post-downplays-the-number-of-people-killed-by-police-in-2015
http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/opinion/a-better-standard-for-the-use-of-deadly-force.html?_r=0

there are numerous reports studies and lists of people being killed by cops, black white hispanic and other. That you are trying to compartmentalize and disagree over the numbers with pathetic attempts to downplay police violence brutality and corruption is a fucking joke.
Until someobody gives the FBI and other departments correct accounting of deaths, buy guns, and or cops, it IS under reported.
Instead of placing blame on a colour, why not actually do something about the problem, which is the deaths of so MANY people by questionable methods.

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that the BLM movement is not asserting that black lives are more precious that white lives.

Actually as a non-white, I think BLM is asserting that black lives are more precious than Asian, Hispanic, American Indian, all other minorities. They only care about black lives and nothing else. It's race-based. They aren't fighting for equality for humanity for all people at all.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Oh dear, you are trying to school me? Actually if you want to address me correctly, it's Doctor, some of us have education, if you insist calling me little girl, I assume you're a nasty old man, you might be qualified to school somebody in how to be a racist, I think cow tipping would also be an ability you might have, but logic and seeing things in perspective sadly seems to be out of your grasp, as much as posting pictures

So old man, despite your mental disability, I would suggest to see things in relation, even somebody with your limited mental capacity should be able to do it.

As for your schooling, I give you a shout if I want to learn how to cow tip, muck out a barn or just be a complete and utter twat, but don't hold your breath.