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doctor? wow, color me surprised. But I am not sure why you think he is the one to qualified to teach racism when you did such a bang up job in post #48.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
I do disagree a bit that the welfare system should only be temporary, I mean how about the elderly or people with disabilities? Things aren't going to change for them and they aren't worth less as human beings.

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I really like that idea, LC. The welfare system should only be to help those who need temporary help to get back on their feet and for permanent assistance for those who have no capacity to provide for themselves.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic-apps/year-of-reckoning-police-kill-nearly-1000/2015/12/26/e9697506-9cfd-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34246-the-washington-post-downplays-the-number-of-people-killed-by-police-in-2015
http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/opinion/a-better-standard-for-the-use-of-deadly-force.html?_r=0

there are numerous reports studies and lists of people being killed by cops, black white hispanic and other. That you are trying to compartmentalize and disagree over the numbers with pathetic attempts to downplay police violence brutality and corruption is a fucking joke.
Until someobody gives the FBI and other departments correct accounting of deaths, buy guns, and or cops, it IS under reported.
Instead of placing blame on a colour, why not actually do something about the problem, which is the deaths of so MANY people by questionable methods.

40,000,000 police contacts per year. 400 deaths.
Are you fucking kidding me you think this is a major problem?

that is one fatality per 100,000 interactions. Cops deal with terrorists; they deal with armed people. Domestic violence. People on drugs. Yep. Put me firmly in the attaboy camp.

Blue lives matter.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
God, this whole thread is garbage.
• American police officers killed 74 unarmed black people in 2015.
• unarmed black men were seven times more likely than unarmed white men to die by police gunfire.
• An analysis of F.B.I. data from 2010 to 2012 concluded that the police killed black men ages 15 to 19 at a rate 21 times greater than the statistic for white men the same age.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic-apps/year-of-reckoning-police-kill-nearly-1000/2015/12/26/e9697506-9cfd-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34246-the-washington-post-downplays-the-number-of-people-killed-by-police-in-2015
http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/opinion/a-better-standard-for-the-use-of-deadly-force.html?_r=0

there are numerous reports studies and lists of people being killed by cops, black white hispanic and other. That you are trying to compartmentalize and disagree over the numbers with pathetic attempts to downplay police violence brutality and corruption is a fucking joke.
Until someobody gives the FBI and other departments correct accounting of deaths, buy guns, and or cops, it IS under reported.
Instead of placing blame on a colour, why not actually do something about the problem, which is the deaths of so MANY people by questionable methods.

40,000,000 police contacts per year. 400 deaths.
Are you fucking kidding me you think this is a major problem?

that is one fatality per 100,000 interactions. Cops deal with terrorists; they deal with armed people. Domestic violence. People on drugs. Yep. Put me firmly in the attaboy camp.

Blue lives matter.

Blue lives matter, ALL LIVES MATTER,the fact that you are trying to justify cops shooting innocent people, unarmed people as omg a tiny percentage???
you dont think their lives matter. what a surprise.

You wont mind if I and several other millions of people totally disagree with your ignorance.

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And another thing, the ONLY reason as to why you hear us say "black people can't be racist" is because we can be ONLY PREJUDICE! To be RACIST means that YOU are apart of a group of people that, like it or not, CONTINUE to profit from, exploit, and STEAL from, all while using what was STOLEN to build YOUR very own "EMPIRE" upon OUR backs! WE have NEVER benefited from such a fucked up system, towards ANY race!

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic-apps/year-of-reckoning-police-kill-nearly-1000/2015/12/26/e9697506-9cfd-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34246-the-washington-post-downplays-the-number-of-people-killed-by-police-in-2015
http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/opinion/a-better-standard-for-the-use-of-deadly-force.html?_r=0

there are numerous reports studies and lists of people being killed by cops, black white hispanic and other. That you are trying to compartmentalize and disagree over the numbers with pathetic attempts to downplay police violence brutality and corruption is a fucking joke.
Until someobody gives the FBI and other departments correct accounting of deaths, buy guns, and or cops, it IS under reported.
Instead of placing blame on a colour, why not actually do something about the problem, which is the deaths of so MANY people by questionable methods.

40,000,000 police contacts per year. 400 deaths.
Are you fucking kidding me you think this is a major problem?

that is one fatality per 100,000 interactions. Cops deal with terrorists; they deal with armed people. Domestic violence. People on drugs. Yep. Put me firmly in the attaboy camp.

Blue lives matter.

Blue lives matter, ALL LIVES MATTER,the fact that you are trying to justify cops shooting innocent people, unarmed people as omg a tiny percentage???
you dont think their lives matter. what a surprise.

You wont mind if I and several other millions of people totally disagree with your ignorance.

No but I do mind when you make racist, ignorant, illiterate posts about me.

If you actually were literate, you would read where I said that the instance where the cop shot a black man merely walking by, it was murder and he should fry.

Nowhere have I said that cops shooting innocent, unarmed people is ok.


But then, if you're charging a cop, trying to grab his weapon, striking him - you're not innocent. Learn to read.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic-apps/year-of-reckoning-police-kill-nearly-1000/2015/12/26/e9697506-9cfd-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34246-the-washington-post-downplays-the-number-of-people-killed-by-police-in-2015
http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/opinion/a-better-standard-for-the-use-of-deadly-force.html?_r=0

there are numerous reports studies and lists of people being killed by cops, black white hispanic and other. That you are trying to compartmentalize and disagree over the numbers with pathetic attempts to downplay police violence brutality and corruption is a fucking joke.
Until someobody gives the FBI and other departments correct accounting of deaths, buy guns, and or cops, it IS under reported.
Instead of placing blame on a colour, why not actually do something about the problem, which is the deaths of so MANY people by questionable methods.

40,000,000 police contacts per year. 400 deaths.
Are you fucking kidding me you think this is a major problem?

that is one fatality per 100,000 interactions. Cops deal with terrorists; they deal with armed people. Domestic violence. People on drugs. Yep. Put me firmly in the attaboy camp.

Blue lives matter.

Blue lives matter, ALL LIVES MATTER,the fact that you are trying to justify cops shooting innocent people, unarmed people as omg a tiny percentage???
you dont think their lives matter. what a surprise.

You wont mind if I and several other millions of people totally disagree with your ignorance.

No but I do mind when you make racist, ignorant, illiterate posts about me.

If you actually were literate, you would read where I said that the instance where the cop shot a black man merely walking by, it was murder and he should fry.

Nowhere have I said that cops shooting innocent, unarmed people is ok.


But then, if you're charging a cop, trying to grab his weapon, striking him - you're not innocent. Learn to read.

Im perfectly literate, I simply understand your attempt to back-peddle and plead innocence only too well.

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ORIGINAL: BlackWidowAlma
To be RACIST means that YOU are apart of a group of people that, like it or not, CONTINUE to profit from, exploit, and STEAL from, all while using what was STOLEN to build YOUR very own "EMPIRE" upon OUR backs! WE have NEVER benefited from such a fucked up system, towards ANY race!

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Frankly, I wish black lives mattered more. I would like to see more black success stories. But the fact that they don't is more about crime than it is about police brutality. Its more about poor life choices than it is about racism.

well, I guess if being born poor was a "poor life choice" maybe that would be true.. but the fact is that people born poor more often than not dont have anywhere near the resources and opportunities to make good life choices than rich white people have.. that is why there has been a segregation in various cities where the poor (mostly black) people live in certain areas and the rich (mostly white) people live in other areas where poor black people cant afford to live.. the rich areas get the best teachers and schools, the best medical facilities, the most jobs too.. and its getting worse, imo..

As just one example of what poor black people have to live with.. here the North Houston ISD was so badly managed that it had to be taken over by another ISD.. there were many kids whose education records and proof of graduation were no where to be found, those records disappeared.. How does a young black person that went thru school, did his/her best to get good grades and graduate get a job when they cant prove that they even went to school??? How disgusting is that?

"Ortiz is 45 years old and homeless. It s a situation that he says didn t have to happen.

That s because Ortiz was offered a job at Anheuser- Busch s Houston bottling plant last year after he was laid off.

Something to keep me not only on my feet, but to prosper, he told the I-Team.

All that stood between Ortiz and the job was proving he graduated high school.

It should have been no problem. He showed the I-Team a picture of himself in the Forest Brook High School yearbook.

Ortiz was wearing his cap and gown, pictured with his classmates in the class of 1987.

But when Ortiz went to pick up a copy of his high school transcript, he couldn t believe what he was told.

There was no record of transcripts, explained Ortiz. No records of anything. No records of grades, graduation, nothing.

It was like he never attended Forest Brook at all."

http://www.khou.com/story/news/investigations/2014/07/25/12476652/

I can't begin to elaborate on my disdain for using anecdotal stories as if they supported a distorted political conception. Did he go to the school district?
I seriously doubt most schools have graduation records from 28 years earlier.

time and time again you see immigrants comng to this world with nothing - just the shirt on their back. They don't even speak the language.
Why is it that they succeed? Whether you talk about the Vietnamese after the Vietnam war, the Koreans after the Korean war, the irish, the Italians, the Cubans. Mexicans. even Mexicans that are black
they come across the boarder and work to send money to their families back home.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: BlackWidowAlma
To be RACIST means that YOU are apart of a group of people that, like it or not, CONTINUE to profit from, exploit, and STEAL from, all while using what was STOLEN to build YOUR very own "EMPIRE" upon OUR backs! WE have NEVER benefited from such a fucked up system, towards ANY race!

Sorry ducky. You don't get to invent meanings.

"A racist - a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others."

So as much as you want to hallucinate and believe that blacks can't be racist, you can and are.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Frankly, I wish black lives mattered more. I would like to see more black success stories. But the fact that they don't is more about crime than it is about police brutality. Its more about poor life choices than it is about racism.

well, I guess if being born poor was a "poor life choice" maybe that would be true.. but the fact is that people born poor more often than not dont have anywhere near the resources and opportunities to make good life choices than rich white people have.. that is why there has been a segregation in various cities where the poor (mostly black) people live in certain areas and the rich (mostly white) people live in other areas where poor black people cant afford to live.. the rich areas get the best teachers and schools, the best medical facilities, the most jobs too.. and its getting worse, imo..

As just one example of what poor black people have to live with.. here the North Houston ISD was so badly managed that it had to be taken over by another ISD.. there were many kids whose education records and proof of graduation were no where to be found, those records disappeared.. How does a young black person that went thru school, did his/her best to get good grades and graduate get a job when they cant prove that they even went to school??? How disgusting is that?

"Ortiz is 45 years old and homeless. It s a situation that he says didn t have to happen.

That s because Ortiz was offered a job at Anheuser- Busch s Houston bottling plant last year after he was laid off.

Something to keep me not only on my feet, but to prosper, he told the I-Team.

All that stood between Ortiz and the job was proving he graduated high school.

It should have been no problem. He showed the I-Team a picture of himself in the Forest Brook High School yearbook.

Ortiz was wearing his cap and gown, pictured with his classmates in the class of 1987.

But when Ortiz went to pick up a copy of his high school transcript, he couldn t believe what he was told.

There was no record of transcripts, explained Ortiz. No records of anything. No records of grades, graduation, nothing.

It was like he never attended Forest Brook at all."

http://www.khou.com/story/news/investigations/2014/07/25/12476652/

I can't begin to elaborate on my disdain for using anecdotal stories as if they supported a distorted political conception. Did he go to the school district?
I seriously doubt most schools have graduation records from 28 years earlier.

time and time again you see immigrants comng to this world with nothing - just the shirt on their back. They don't even speak the language.
Why is it that they succeed? Whether you talk about the Vietnamese after the Vietnam war, the Koreans after the Korean war, the irish, the Italians, the Cubans. Mexicans. even Mexicans that are black
they come across the boarder and work to send money to their families back home.

I sure as hell hope that schools have graduation records from the day they opened!!! Omg, you think its no big deal if they dont? How else does anyone prove they graduated then? People are working into their 70s, 80s, even 90s so yeah, those records matter if they are required for the jobs they are applying for.. And fyi, people did complain but were told "oh theres nothing we dont have authority over the isd, blah, blah, blah"..

Obviously he didnt need to prove he graduated until that job required that proof, its pretty hard to do anything about something you arent aware of.. but it wasnt just him.. You are basically saying that their years of studying, getting good grades, graduating wasnt worth doing.. They did work hard to get ahead, just like immigrants do, but they havent gotten credit, jobs and the rewards they should have gotten.. and it wasnt their fault or any of their doing, it wasnt their poor life choice (as you claim and blame black people for)..

There are biases in the US system (schools, jails, banking, credit, loans, etc) that sets mostly poor black and hispanic people up for failure and poverty.. I see it everywhere.. and most of those biases are deliberate and intended to add extra profit to greedy American corporations...

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There are biases in the US system (schools, jails, banking, credit, loans, etc) that sets mostly poor black and hispanic people up for failure and poverty.. I see it everywhere.. and most of those biases are deliberate and intended to add extra profit to greedy American corporations...

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: BlackWidowAlma
To be RACIST means that YOU are apart of a group of people that, like it or not, CONTINUE to profit from, exploit, and STEAL from, all while using what was STOLEN to build YOUR very own "EMPIRE" upon OUR backs! WE have NEVER benefited from such a fucked up system, towards ANY race!

Sorry ducky. You don't get to invent meanings.

"A racist - a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others."

So as much as you want to hallucinate and believe that blacks can't be racist, you can and are.

Depends on whether you want to dig deeper into the psychology and sociology of it, Phydeaux. Thus,

"In sociology and psychology, some definitions include only consciously malignant forms of discrimination.[4][5] Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes.[2][6] One view holds that racism is best understood as 'prejudice plus power' because without the support of political or economic power, prejudice would not be able to manifest as a pervasive cultural, institutional or social phenomenon.[7][8][9] [My bolds.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

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b. So lets presume you mean institutional power. Such as the power conveyed by civil rights marches, by moral authority, by economic strength, or by voting.
I'm not quite sure where you think that blacks are thereby powerless.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

No point in shooting the messenger, Phydeaux - I only gave you the standard definition as per one (actually a quite wide) view in sociology and psychology.

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b. So lets presume you mean institutional power. Such as the power conveyed by civil rights marches, by moral authority, by economic strength, or by voting.
I'm not quite sure where you think that blacks are thereby powerless.

That would come the nearest to it, I think. However, it's more akin to social and economic class. This has historically been held by whites in the USA, just as it has here in the UK. Certainly this or that individual black person, or group of black people, can demonstrate power at various microcosmic levels. The macro level, however, is entirely different.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


I never said per-capita. Most crimes committed in the USA are white-on-white crime. Its an epidemic.

Over two thirds of all crimes in the USA are committed by white people including some 402,470 violent crimes in 2014.

Most of these crimes are white-on-white.

It's kind of stupid to point this out, but you keep idiotically mentioning "black-on-black" crimes when the discussion is the disproportionate use of force by the police against African Americans.