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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 12:32:12 PM   
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This is not Waco or Ruby Ridge... these are out and out criminals quite plain in their intentions...and bama... If OWS were armed can you show some proof... and if they were what happened... and if nothing happened it should have... they were terrorist as well then.

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You honestly think all of those rapes were committed without weapons?

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 12:36:06 PM   
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you honestly think all those rapes were committed?
you honeslty think all those rapes were committed by OWS guys?
you honestly think that no nutsuckers were there raping to give the OWS a bad name?


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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 12:37:12 PM   
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you honestly think those terrorists in the bird sanctuary aren't raping each other?

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 12:50:44 PM   
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This is not Waco or Ruby Ridge... these are out and out criminals quite plain in their intentions...and bama... If OWS were armed can you show some proof... and if they were what happened... and if nothing happened it should have... they were terrorist as well then.

Butch

We have a double standard here.
If it is Ferguson or Baltimore we are to give them room to destroy, but let them be fighting agaist government harrassment of white ranchers and it is kill them, kill them all. That is combined with a professed ingnorance of any violence on the part of black or leftist groups. I don't suppose you remember Baltimore being described as open insurection but did you call for tanks and gunning down the rioters, no. And there were many on here excusing the looting the burning and the murders. If we didn't gun down those people there is no excuse for gunning these down.

PS the only "crime" committed at this point is trespass, you really want to gun people down for trespass just because they have guns?

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 12:53:17 PM   
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the poor boys up there have been talking about how they are being treated by the feds as being worse than black lives matter.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 12:56:51 PM   
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PS the only "crime" committed at this point is trespass, you really want to gun people down for trespass just because they have guns?


You fuckin Zee A. Last time a federal reservation was seized by armed terrorists, we declared war on them.




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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 1:42:55 PM   
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Greta, let me explain a few things:

1) The two ranchers being forced to sell their land are being forced to sell their privately owned land to pay the grazing fees that they owe the BLM

The Bureau of Land MANAGEMENT is a government agency charged with MANAGING public lands to prevent the over use, exploitation or damage to said public land by private individuals.

Now, while the BLM does this, the same agency is also charged with managing Native American Owned Lands granted certain tribes under various treaties, and has so far done nothing to prevent land from being polluted by Uranium mining, coal mining, lead mining, basically any valuable resource found on Indian land.

2) The ranchers being forced to sell their land are not the same ranchers involved in the situation in Oregon, (these are different ranchers who do not want the help of the militia or any group involved with the militia.)

3) While the actions of the judge who ordered the Oregon ranchers back to jail are, for all intents and purposes unconstitutional, the actions of a group of militiamen acting without request for support by the ranchers in question constitute under the law, armed insurrection, the same charges leveled against the members of AIM and its supporters who occupied the town (on reservation land) of Wounded Knee in South Dakota (the site of a massacre of Sioux indians by the 7th cavalry) in an effort to gain support for the American Indian cause and the blatant disregard of American Indian Rights and the breaking of over 800 treaties over the course of 150 years.

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 1:55:16 PM   
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This is not Waco or Ruby Ridge... these are out and out criminals quite plain in their intentions...and bama... If OWS were armed can you show some proof... and if they were what happened... and if nothing happened it should have... they were terrorist as well then.

Butch

We have a double standard here.
If it is Ferguson or Baltimore we are to give them room to destroy, but let them be fighting agaist government harrassment of white ranchers and it is kill them, kill them all. That is combined with a professed ingnorance of any violence on the part of black or leftist groups. I don't suppose you remember Baltimore being described as open insurection but did you call for tanks and gunning down the rioters, no. And there were many on here excusing the looting the burning and the murders. If we didn't gun down those people there is no excuse for gunning these down.

PS the only "crime" committed at this point is trespass, you really want to gun people down for trespass just because they have guns?

you surely arent excusing breaking the law while in possession of guns are you? Criminals with guns.
when they get arrested it wont be a slap on the hands.

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 1:56:54 PM   
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the poor boys up there have been talking about how they are being treated by the feds as being worse than black lives matter.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH



What? Not being provided with snacks and stuff? I loved their snack appeal, and yeah, they are using the US postal system, isn't that owned by the federal system of the US, that thing they are against?

Seriously, if they'd be a bit darker skinned, they'd be terrorists, much darker skinned they'd be labelled thugs, because they're white they're a "militia?" Last time I checked a militia was "a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency." Yeah, they can't even organize snack supplies but claim to be like an army? I bet some tribes in rain forest are better organized

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 1:57:41 PM   
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just a couple of differences.


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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 2:05:23 PM   
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I read this last night, from fox..
Demands. Trespassing on federal land is going to be more than mere trespass.

Armed protesters in Oregon land fight give demands as ranchers head to prison

Published January 04, 2016 FoxNews.com

The armed protesters who triggered a standoff when they stormed a wildlife refuge in Oregon listed their demands at a news conference Monday, while giving their group a name: Citizens for Constitutional Freedom.

Ammon Bundy, a son of Cliven Bundy, who was involved in a standoff of his own against the federal government in 2014, spoke on behalf of the protesters. He said they asked Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward and federal agencies to put an end to what he called "abuses" against local ranchers Dwight and Steven Hammond.
The Hammonds were convicted of arson three years ago for fires that burned on federal land in 2001 and 2006. Though they served their original sentences for the conviction -- Dwight serving three months, Steven serving one year -- an appellate judge ruled in October that the terms were too short under federal minimum sentencing laws.


Ryan Bundy talks on the phone at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns, Ore., Sunday, Jan. 3, 2016. Bundy is one of the protesters occupying the refuge to object to a prison sentence for local ranchers for burning federal land. (AP Photo/Rebecca Boone)Expand / Contract
Ryan Bundy talks on the phone at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns, Ore., Sunday, Jan. 3, 2016. Bundy is one of the protesters occupying the refuge to object to a prison sentence for local ranchers for burning federal land. (AP Photo/Rebecca Boone)
The Hammonds were ordered back to prison for four years each. They arrived at the Terminal Island Federal Correctional Institution Monday afternoon.

"Dwight and Steven Hammond respect the rule of law. They have litigated this matter within the federal courts for over five years and, in every instance, have followed the order of the court without incident or violation," the Hammonds' attorneys said.

Ammon Bundy accused federal officials of launching an "attack" on the Hammonds for refusing to sell their land. The protesters took over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge south of Burns on Saturday after participating in a peaceful rally.

Sheriff Ward said the protesters were no patriots. "These men came to Harney County claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers, when in reality these men had alternative motives to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States," Ward said in a statement. "We are currently working jointly with several organizations to make sure the citizens of Harney County are safe and this issue is resolved as quickly and peaceful as possible."


FBI officials tried to calm the anger by calling for a "peaceful resolution" to the standoff. Still, the bureau did not give any specifics about its response in a statement Sunday, citing "safety considerations for both those inside the refuge as well as the law enforcement officers involved."

Ammon Bundy's brother, Ryan, said they planned on staying at the refuge as long as it takes. If the situation turns violent, he contends it will be because of the federal government's actions. "I mean, we're here to restore order, we're here to restore rights and that can go peacefully and easily."

Dwight Hammond Jr., 73, and his 46-year-old son, Steven, have claimed that they lit the fires in 2001 and 2006 to reduce the growth of invasive plants and protect their property from wildfires. However, prosecutors said the fires were set to cover up poaching.

The decision generated controversy and is part of a decades-long dispute between some Westerners and the federal government over the use of public lands. The issue traces back to the 1970s and the "Sagebrush Rebellion," a move by Western states like Nevada to increase local control over federal land. Critics of the push for more local control have said the federal government should administer the public lands for the widest possible uses, including environmental and recreation.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/04/armed-protesters-at-national-wildlife-refuge-say-government-force-would-risk-lives.html?intcmp=hpbt2


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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 2:06:52 PM   
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the poor boys up there have been talking about how they are being treated by the feds as being worse than black lives matter.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH



What? Not being provided with snacks and stuff? I loved their snack appeal, and yeah, they are using the US postal system, isn't that owned by the federal system of the US, that thing they are against?

Seriously, if they'd be a bit darker skinned, they'd be terrorists, much darker skinned they'd be labelled thugs, because they're white they're a "militia?" Last time I checked a militia was "a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency." Yeah, they can't even organize snack supplies but claim to be like an army? I bet some tribes in rain forest are better organized

They call themselves what they want.
\They are going to be legitimate criminals soon...more than tamir rice ever was


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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 2:08:43 PM   
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Yeah, the enabling laws under which we got sovereign ownership of public lands in their state when they became a state (and which the fed owned long beforehand) was paid, by our assumption of their debts.

They got welfare then, these red welfare states, and they are still bellied up to the trough.

The public lands are for the benefit of the US citizenry, not the locals.

They are terrorists, squirt them with gasoline and light them nutsuckers up.

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 2:15:14 PM   
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they think they can just hold federal building and its lands for their own use, ?
where is that allowed?
they want people to join them to make a "patriot paradise" is that like a sanctuary city?

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 2:19:44 PM   
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making fun of the militia...
ALong with vanilla Isis, there now is also, Y'all-Queda, Still others have taken to using terms such as #YokelHaram and #al-Shabubba, and say the group is waging #YeeHawd.
#YeeHawdists #Talibundy


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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 2:27:58 PM   
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making fun of the militia...
ALong with vanilla Isis, there now is also, Y'all-Queda, Still others have taken to using terms such as #YokelHaram and #al-Shabubba, and say the group is waging #YeeHawd.
#YeeHawdists #Talibundy


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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 2:40:21 PM   
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oh gawd, LOL


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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 3:19:10 PM   
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PS the only "crime" committed at this point is trespass, you really want to gun people down for trespass just because they have guns?


The shooting will be up to them...

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 3:21:04 PM   
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the crime committed is more than trespass.


light them terrorists up with gasoline.

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/5/2016 4:03:10 PM   
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they think they can just hold federal building and its lands for their own use, ?
where is that allowed?
they want people to join them to make a "patriot paradise" is that like a sanctuary city?

No. In sanctuary cities, non-citizens are allowed to get out of jail despite a federal hold so they can resume their illegal life and activities...like committing murder.

Any evidence that the men illegally occupying Federal property have committed murder since occupying said property?

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