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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/9/2016 7:12:19 PM   
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I see a lot from you without anything to back it up.

What have you backed up?

You've had ample opportunity to prove your skills.


You seem to feel that a foot size target cannot be hit at 25 yards which would indicate that you have never been to a shooting range and have no clue about firearms.
You see the 25 yard pistol target sports a bulls eye of about 1.5 inches. Since you don't think anyone can hit foot size target at 25 yards how could they possibly hit a 1.5 inch bulls eye at 25 yards?



How many pages have you taken up ranting about your shooting skills?

Don't tell me, show me.

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/9/2016 7:21:13 PM   
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How many pages have you taken up ranting about your shooting skills?

Don't tell me, show me.

How many pages have you taken up claiming that hitting a foot size target at 25 yards is not possible when the bulls eye on a 25 yard pistol target is only about 1.5 inches.

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/9/2016 8:51:26 PM   
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How many pages have you taken up ranting about your shooting skills?

Don't tell me, show me.

How many pages have you taken up claiming that hitting a foot size target at 25 yards is not possible when the bulls eye on a 25 yard pistol target is only about 1.5 inches.


I've said a moving, foot-sized target. Go back and review, stop trying to weasel out. Show us your shooting skills and get $100 donated to the charity of your choice.

Personally I think you're a fake who tries to troll and has never handled a firearm under duress. You've had pages and pages to prove me wrong but haven't.

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/9/2016 9:33:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		So ,it has come down to the propositoin of who is better at shooting themselves in the foot?

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/9/2016 10:22:44 PM   
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How many pages have you taken up ranting about your shooting skills?

Don't tell me, show me.

How many pages have you taken up claiming that hitting a foot size target at 25 yards is not possible when the bulls eye on a 25 yard pistol target is only about 1.5 inches.


I've said a moving, foot-sized target. Go back and review, stop trying to weasel out. Show us your shooting skills and get $100 donated to the charity of your choice.

Personally I think you're a fake who tries to troll and has never handled a firearm under duress. You've had pages and pages to prove me wrong but haven't.


Lets go back to where this started.
He stated that shooting an attacker in the foot will stop them just as surely as a center mass shot.
He further stated that shooting an attacker in the foot is no more difficult than shooting center mass.
Both positions are too ridiculous to even contemplate.
The day after he made the first statement a NY cop was shot in the foot and proceded to kill his attacker.
The attacker was not good enough with a gun to hit his foot he was bad enough that pray and spray got a foot.
To claim that the foot of an attacker is as easy to hit as center mass is not only claiming that the size is reasonably close but ignores many facts.
One the foot is moving faster than the central body, I estimate at least twice as fast.
Two to aim at the foot and get nothing is not nearly as good as aiming for the heart and missing by twice as much.
More difficult target, less likely to actually disable the attacker (although if hit in the foot with a .45 he is unlikely to chase you or anyone else, ever) as he can still shoot. Said .45 in the chest is almost certain to find something important.

He won't be able to proove his skill and even if he did he would still be wrong.
I have him on hide. I would suggest that you at least ignore him as he never adds anthing to the conversation.

PS a bullseye is motionless, a foot is anything but.

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/9/2016 10:30:27 PM   
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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/9/2016 10:42:05 PM   
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oh,no. they are not. ever been shot in the foot?


No I haven't, but I have seen cases where someone was killed after shooting someone in the foot, as the cop I mentioned. If I have to choose between getting shot in the foot and in the chest I will take the foot anyday.
And you can't be claiming that a shot in the foot is as disabling as one in the chest now can you.

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/9/2016 10:52:41 PM   
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I cant explain it, and you wont get it.But foot shot is goddamn 10 times what gutshot is.


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In reality we cook our own recipe.

I know for a fact Hunti lived with that same tired shit even if he had a different way of singing that song.

Even Butch, how did you say it Maj?


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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/10/2016 4:18:18 AM   
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How many pages have you taken up ranting about your shooting skills?

Don't tell me, show me.

How many pages have you taken up claiming that hitting a foot size target at 25 yards is not possible when the bulls eye on a 25 yard pistol target is only about 1.5 inches.


I've said a moving, foot-sized target. Go back and review, stop trying to weasel out. Show us your shooting skills and get $100 donated to the charity of your choice.

A soldier runs at about 108" per second. Pistol bullets travel at about 1000' per sec which means the travel time of the bullet for 25 yards is 1/13 sec. This means the foot travels 8.3" during the flight time of the bullet. If the point of aim is the toe this moves the bullet strike back 8.3 inches on a 12 inch long foot.

Personally I think you're a fake who tries to troll and has never handled a firearm under duress. You've had pages and pages to prove me wrong but haven't.

Your opinion and a couple of bucks will get you a cup of coffee most places.


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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/10/2016 6:25:28 AM   
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Lets go back to where this started.
He stated that shooting an attacker in the foot will stop them just as surely as a center mass shot.

Actually it did not start on this thread.

He further stated that shooting an attacker in the foot is no more difficult than shooting center mass.
Both positions are too ridiculous to even contemplate.

Rediculous only to those who cannot hit what they aim at.



The day after he made the first statement a NY cop was shot in the foot and proceded to kill his attacker.


When you were asked for validation you were unable to come up with any. So until you do your opinion is worth the price of used toilet paper.


One the foot is moving faster than the central body, I estimate at least twice as fast.
Two to aim at the foot and get nothing is not nearly as good as aiming for the heart and missing by twice as much.
More difficult target, less likely to actually disable the attacker (although if hit in the foot with a .45 he is unlikely to chase you or anyone else, ever) as he can still shoot. Said .45 in the chest is almost certain to find something important.

Except in the cite provided the author spoke of the times it did not work.

He won't be able to proove his skill and even if he did he would still be wrong.


What???

I have him on hide.

So you say.

I would suggest that you at least ignore him as he never adds anthing to the conversation.

Well there are all of your moronic lies that I point out.


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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/10/2016 11:51:17 AM   
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yeah, I can e5 after 15 years. you got a sucking chest wound I leave your ass is place and via con dios, put you in for the medal of honor baby when me and the boys get home, wring out a kotex for you while we drink beer, if you get foot shot, I gotta haul your ass around and pray you get gangrene of the brain, and fuckin cakk. Look. Everybody knows who gets it. Everybody knows who dont.


I cant explain it, and you wont get it.But foot shot is goddamn 10 times what gutshot is.


My mission
My men
My morale
My equipment
My self

In reality we cook our own recipe.

I know for a fact Hunti lived with that same tired shit even if he had a different way of singing that song.

Even Butch, how did you say it Maj?


Get back to the actual subject.
We were talking about a mugger, not a battle.
A wounded soldier does more good than a dead one.
A wounded mugger does little good.
If you had half the experience you claim you would know that shooting a moving foot isn't a good bet.
BTW I made e5 in 7 years, not that bad considering I spent my whole time in service working outside my official carreer field.

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/10/2016 11:58:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		A foot has to plant, can easily be timed. And it gets closer and closer as the mugger runs at you.

Damn good bet.

The actual subject is Guns Flowing Into Mexico, Bama, so I would say you missed the shot twice.

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/10/2016 12:16:14 PM   
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Get back to the actual subject.
We were talking about a mugger, not a battle.
A wounded soldier does more good than a dead one.
A wounded mugger does little good.

That was not the question at all. So stop lying. The discussion was about shooting for center of mass vs. shooting someone in the foot. My position was that a foot shot is usually not lethal. You and your clown friends have a hard on for taking someones life and not leaving any witnesses to contradict your story. Had the clown who shot the rafters gone for a foot shot he would be out of jail by now. Had the punkassmotherfucking home owner who murdered the exchange student gone for a foot shot he would not be in the joint for life.


If you had half the experience you claim you would know that shooting a moving foot isn't a good bet.

Foot is about 4"x12", moving in a straight line. Only difficult for punks who cannot shoot straight.

BTW I made e5 in 7 years, not that bad considering I spent my whole time in service working outside my official carreer field.

Seven years to make e5 roflmfao. The only reason you are not on welfare is because a demopub president hooked you up for a pension that you did not otherwise qualify for so puuuleeeze stop the bullshit...we know better.

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/11/2016 8:14:33 PM   
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How many pages have you taken up ranting about your shooting skills?

Don't tell me, show me.

How many pages have you taken up claiming that hitting a foot size target at 25 yards is not possible when the bulls eye on a 25 yard pistol target is only about 1.5 inches.


I've said a moving, foot-sized target. Go back and review, stop trying to weasel out. Show us your shooting skills and get $100 donated to the charity of your choice.

A soldier runs at about 108" per second. Pistol bullets travel at about 1000' per sec which means the travel time of the bullet for 25 yards is 1/13 sec. This means the foot travels 8.3" during the flight time of the bullet. If the point of aim is the toe this moves the bullet strike back 8.3 inches on a 12 inch long foot.

Personally I think you're a fake who tries to troll and has never handled a firearm under duress. You've had pages and pages to prove me wrong but haven't.

Your opinion and a couple of bucks will get you a cup of coffee most places.



It's ok, we all knew you were incapable of doing what you insisted you could do.

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/11/2016 8:20:45 PM   
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A foot has to plant, can easily be timed. And it gets closer and closer as the mugger runs at you.

Damn good bet.


As you're "timing" to take a shot only a fool would make, the attacker is getting closer to you.

It's a "damn good bet" to get yourself killed, which is also what any CCW instructor would tell you after he laughs at you.

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/11/2016 11:19:28 PM   
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A foot has to plant, can easily be timed. And it gets closer and closer as the mugger runs at you.

Damn good bet.


As you're "timing" to take a shot only a fool would make, the attacker is getting closer to you.

It's a "damn good bet" to get yourself killed, which is also what any CCW instructor would tell you after he laughs at you.



I would like to point out that shooting to wound means you are not in fear for your life and that will get you arrested and jailed. If you are going to shoot an attacker, you need to shoot to kill.

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/12/2016 5:43:49 AM   
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A foot has to plant, can easily be timed. And it gets closer and closer as the mugger runs at you.

Damn good bet.


As you're "timing" to take a shot only a fool would make, the attacker is getting closer to you.

It's a "damn good bet" to get yourself killed, which is also what any CCW instructor would tell you after he laughs at you.



He's shot himself in the foot so many times, he thinks that's how you're supposed to do it.

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/12/2016 9:59:38 PM   
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A foot has to plant, can easily be timed. And it gets closer and closer as the mugger runs at you.

Damn good bet.

The actual subject is Guns Flowing Into Mexico, Bama, so I would say you missed the shot twice.

The last set of pages haven't even touched on that subject they have been devoted to this stupid argument.
By the time you can calculate when and where the foot will plant you can have three in the chest.

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/13/2016 12:11:10 PM   
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A foot has to plant, can easily be timed. And it gets closer and closer as the mugger runs at you.

Damn good bet.

The actual subject is Guns Flowing Into Mexico, Bama, so I would say you missed the shot twice.

The last set of pages haven't even touched on that subject they have been devoted to this stupid argument.
By the time you can calculate when and where the foot will plant you can have three in the chest.

How about we take it back to the proper thread?

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RE: Guns Flowing Into Mexico - 3/13/2016 5:34:05 PM   
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A foot has to plant, can easily be timed. And it gets closer and closer as the mugger runs at you.

Damn good bet.

The actual subject is Guns Flowing Into Mexico, Bama, so I would say you missed the shot twice.

The last set of pages haven't even touched on that subject they have been devoted to this stupid argument.
By the time you can calculate when and where the foot will plant you can have three in the chest.


I suppose its only consistent since I loathe their social/political/religious worldviews that I should also find their views on self defense absurd.


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