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Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 4:17:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is incredible that anyone could use the death of a three year old boy in a cartoon.

The magazine is a disgrace to itself and to free speech. Free speech is precious but not as precious as a young boys life.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12098437/Charlie-Hebdo-criticised-over-racist-cartoon-portraying-Aylan-Kurdi-as-an-adult-sex-pest.html
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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 4:26:04 PM   
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Is incredible that anyone could use the death of a three year old boy in a cartoon.

The magazine is a disgrace to itself and to free speech. Free speech is precious but not as precious as a young boys life.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12098437/Charlie-Hebdo-criticised-over-racist-cartoon-portraying-Aylan-Kurdi-as-an-adult-sex-pest.html



I think in this case free speech worked well in showing the "artist" as a real asshole with a compassion bypass

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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 5:36:21 PM   
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Is incredible that anyone could use the death of a three year old boy in a cartoon.

The magazine is a disgrace to itself and to free speech. Free speech is precious but not as precious as a young boys life.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12098437/Charlie-Hebdo-criticised-over-racist-cartoon-portraying-Aylan-Kurdi-as-an-adult-sex-pest.html


Free speech includes the speech (or images) you don't want to hear (or see).


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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 5:40:08 PM   
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Is incredible that anyone could use the death of a three year old boy in a cartoon.

The magazine is a disgrace to itself and to free speech. Free speech is precious but not as precious as a young boys life.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12098437/Charlie-Hebdo-criticised-over-racist-cartoon-portraying-Aylan-Kurdi-as-an-adult-sex-pest.html


Free speech includes the speech (or images) you don't want to hear (or see).





Doesn't mean they aren't hate speech and we all have to agree with some sick bastard's agenda, our right to protest against that shit is also free speech

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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 6:01:36 PM   
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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 6:07:54 PM   
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I read that one possible interpretation of this particular cartoon was actually an anti-racist one: that the cartoonist was satirising society's tendency to demonise any Muslim at the drop of a hat - on that it had only recently seen as an 'angel'. That's plausible, to me - though I'm a long way from convinced. Whatever - it was a mistake.



Possible, jsut as possible that somebody is really selling the Brooklyn Bridge and is throwing in a few barrels of snake oil

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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 6:10:31 PM   
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Cologne, Stockholm, Rotherham. Those are just a few.

An anti-pedophilia bill was just rejected in Pakistan as being Anti-Islamic.

I see you going after a cartoonist because it is safe and not the perpetrators, as that would be unsafe. They tend to kill people after all.

Cowards.



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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 6:57:26 PM   
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I see you going after a cartoonist because it is safe and not the perpetrators, as that would be unsafe. They tend to kill people after all.


I agree with this.

But I also agree that that cartoon was completely unfair and unnecessary, I like their Muhammad cartoon, but this one is really unnecessary and in bad taste. I would personally demand all the refugees convert out of Islam if they want to come in, and be educated in values in accordance to the country they are gonna be settled in.

I believe that 3 yr old can be rehabilitated and not turn into an extremist. We just need people to stop being Muslims. Fortunately, being a Muslim is something you can change, since it's just an extreme negative set of beliefs inspired by an uneducated war mongering warlord. And NOT a race! People can change their beliefs.

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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 7:10:22 PM   
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When did Islam become a race?

Cologne, Stockholm, Rotherham. Those are just a few.

An anti-pedophilia bill was just rejected in Pakistan as being Anti-Islamic.

I see you going after a cartoonist because it is safe and not the perpetrators, as that would be unsafe. They tend to kill people after all.

Cowards.




It would be racist to assume that someone born in a mainly Islamic country is going to grow up to be a rapist, would it not? And what has cowardice got to do with it? Have you won some medal for bravery for your views here on Collarchat that I don't know about? And what has Pakistan got to do with it, either?



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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 7:12:33 PM   
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I believe that 3 yr old can be rehabilitated and not turn into an extremist. We just need people to stop being Muslims. Fortunately, being a Muslim is something you can change, since it's just an extreme negative set of beliefs inspired by an uneducated war mongering warlord. And NOT a race! People can change their beliefs.


Facepalm as always with you, Greta. No, we just need people to stop being Islamist terrorists.

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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 7:14:58 PM   
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Facepalm as always with you, Greta. No, we just need people to stop being Islamist terrorists.

I don't know why everybody is in denial about Islamist Terrorism came from the Quran?? Those beliefs originated from there! We shouldn't be supporting those beliefs!
To me, Muslims also have a choice to pick and choose what they want to follow in that book. All the more important to acknowledge the book is evil teachings. So when they make the choice, it is clear what is bad in the book and what is good. Just like Christians. Christians get condemned to high heaven about their bible and negative things in there. Makes Christians more peaceful and make them stick to the kinder verses.

Same needs to be done towards the Muslims.



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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 7:20:35 PM   
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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 7:23:11 PM   
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The beliefs of Islamist terrorists did not *come from* the Quran. They were *picked out* from the Quran.

What is the difference? It's still from the Quran. Like Extremist Christians got their beliefs from the Old Testament. Same shit! But we universally generally condemn the old testament so much these days, that, Christians start focusing more on new testament where it has more peaceful stuffs.

What bothers me is the falsehood about Islam being the Religion of Peace, and it being peaceful is being acknowledged as a universal truth in the world, and that's like the biggest falsehood on earth.

I don't even understand why this is happening!

And just one week I am away, turkey/indonesia/africa got suicide bombed. Lovely!



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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 9:16:18 PM   
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What is the difference? It's still from the Quran. Like Extremist Christians got their beliefs from the Old Testament. Same shit! But we universally generally condemn the old testament so much these days, that, Christians start focusing more on new testament where it has more peaceful stuffs.


Would you have a cite for that nonsense?

What bothers me is the falsehood about Islam being the Religion of Peace, and it being peaceful is being acknowledged as a universal truth in the world, and that's like the biggest falsehood on earth.


Perhaps you failed math in grammar school. Which islamic countries are using aircraft to bomb countries around the world? Which christian countries are using aircraft to bomb countries around the world? Check the body count...do the math or get an adult to do it for you.

I don't even understand why this is happening!


It is pretty clear that you do not understand much at all.

And just one week I am away, turkey/indonesia/africa got suicide bombed. Lovely!

How many drone strikes in the past year? What is the body count for the christians/muslims?




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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 9:21:17 PM   
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I don't know why everybody is in denial about Islamist Terrorism came from the Quran??


Perhaps because you are terminally stupid.

Those beliefs originated from there! We shouldn't be supporting those beliefs!


Same beliefs are in the bible so what is your point?

To me, Muslims also have a choice to pick and choose what they want to follow in that book.


Perhaps that is why not all islamists are terrorist just as all christians are not terrorist

All the more important to acknowledge the book is evil teachings.

All the more important to acknowledge the bible is full of evil teachings

So when they make the choice, it is clear what is bad in the book and what is good. Just like Christians. Christians get condemned to high heaven about their bible and negative things in there. Makes Christians more peaceful and make them stick to the kinder verses.

Really...since when?



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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 9:22:57 PM   
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I would personally demand all the refugees convert out of Islam if they want to come in, and be educated in values in accordance to the country they are gonna be settled in.

That would seem to be consistant with your stated preference for a nazi style of government.

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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 10:50:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Charlie is anarchist, leftist, satirical, anti-religion.

I despise everything they stand for. I find it distasteful that they should use the death of a child.

That said.

I despite the idea of hate speech restrictions and find it antithetical to free speech. So I never would have bought one and I would ordinarily look forward to the day it ceases publication.

But these guys had the balls to stand up to muslim extremists - and for that reason I'm willing to overlook a lot of poor taste.

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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 11:09:23 PM   
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Perhaps you failed math in grammar school. Which islamic countries are using aircraft to bomb countries around the world? Which christian countries are using aircraft to bomb countries around the world? Check the body count...do the math or get an adult to do it for you.

I will admit that math and science are not my strongest subjects. Especially math!

But your point is pointless since, if any countries unfairly drop a bomb into another country, what happens is world war. So for any country to want to start a world war, where every country has to start picking a side, is not in the best interest for any countries, including Islamic countries. They would be doing something detrimental to themselves. This is why, they suicide bomb through small terrorist groups and fund them from behind.





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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 11:11:34 PM   
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I would personally demand all the refugees convert out of Islam if they want to come in, and be educated in values in accordance to the country they are gonna be settled in.

That would seem to be consistant with your stated preference for a nazi style of government.

As long as we are clear, under my "nazi dictatorship", muslim kids will be educated in all other religions and told Islam is a false peaceful religion and they can choose to migrate to any of the more peaceful ones. Or be an atheist and just follow their conscience. I am all for the eradication of Islamic beliefs. Muslims will no longer exists when all converts out of Islam. All they need to do is change their beliefs! I would be best friends with Atheist Arab people!

100% of Muslims countries in the world criminalise the conversion of a Muslim into a non-Muslim ya know. Why are you guys supporting this imprisonment?

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RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. - 1/16/2016 11:58:17 PM   
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Is incredible that anyone could use the death of a three year old boy in a cartoon.

The magazine is a disgrace to itself and to free speech. Free speech is precious but not as precious as a young boys life.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12098437/Charlie-Hebdo-criticised-over-racist-cartoon-portraying-Aylan-Kurdi-as-an-adult-sex-pest.html

Many islamic societies teach that women who appear in public without a hijab (or greater covering) and without a man, who express opinions, drive and/or take jobs are virtually prostitutes and hence fair game for men to take sexual advantage of, hence the New Year's Eve assaults. Charlie Hebdo has pointed out that the young boy might have grown up with those views, so while his death is a great tragedy, the corruption of his mind would also have been a tragedy.

The OP might not like the way it was pointed out, but he hasn't commented on the actual issue. I am upset about the poor, drowned boy, but several years ago I discovered an after-school islamic class of 20 or so children seated on the floor in a circle with a bearded man talking to them. I am sorry for them too.

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