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When Israelis destroy a palestinians home who commits a suicide bombing - that is not a terror attack. The Israelis alway give a 10 minute warning, and then destroy the building. It is a reprisal for an attack against them - but its intent is not to inspire terror - nor to kill.
I suggest you live in Gaza while one of Israel's regular attacks occurs and then declare whether the intention is to create terror among the civilian population or otherwise.
During the latest Israeli assault on Gaza last year, over 19,000 private homes were destroyed by the Israelis. Perhaps they aimed wrong 19,000 times or alternatively you can believe that they deliberately targeted civilian homes and terrorised civilians.
I neglected to mention that not a single one of those 19.000 houses destroyed by the Israeli terror attacks belonged to a suicide bomber. This kind of blatantly false defence of Israeli terrorism is routinely advanced by apologists for Zionist terror.
According to wiki, there has only been one suicide bombing in Israel since 2008.* This attack targeted Israeli security forces at a road checkpoint and occurred in the Occupied West Bank, not Gaza. Clearly a military target not a civilian one, and therefore not a terrorist act by Phydeaux's own definition. Yet apologists for Israeli terror continue to trot the suicide bombing excuse out as if they are still occurring on a daily basis. It is impossible to believe that they are unaware of the facts, which makes their claims outright lies.
So the 'suicide bomber' propaganda claims are utterly false and irrelevant. It does not exonerate a single one of the 19,000 house demolitions carried out by the Israeli terrorist infrastructure during its latest large scale assault on Gaza last year. This is a prime example of how the Zionist propaganda machine continues to churn out lie after lie to 'justify' Israel's indefensible terrorism which targets Palestinian civilians on a daily basis.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
Some suicide bombings are terror attacks.
Not all terror attacks are suicide bombings.
Driving a car along the sidewalk and killing 3 civilians and wounding 19 all the while shouting Allahuackbar G-d is great! We kill thee with glee - is a terror attack. The fact that it doesn't show up on a list of suicide bombings is not surprising, since, yanno, there was no bomb....
On to the 19,000 homes destroyed...
First 19000 is a wetdream. Since you were quoting wiki, lets continue to use wiki, which states 7-10K homes were destroyed.
And it reports that Hamas and Islamic Jihad fired 4564 rockets at Israel.
It is a crime against humanity to site rockets, mortars etc amidst civilian populations. Hamas and Islamic Jihad did so, precisely to cynically use the deaths of civilians for propaganda.
Hamas and Islamic Jihad don't care a bit about civilian casualties. In attacking Israel, they knew they would lose; they knew thousand of people would die and they chose to do so anyway.
Your same wiki notes "In many cases the IDF warned civilians prior to targeting militants in highly populated areas in order to comply with international law.[348][504][505][506] Human rights organizations including Amnesty International,[507][508] confirmed that in many cases, Palestinians received warnings prior to evacuation, including flyers, phone calls and roof knocking."
So the charge of Israel indiscriminately carpet bombing is just blatant antisemitism.
I note that you have been unable to produce a single solitary piece of evidence to support your false and wild claim that the 19,000 homes destroyed by Israel in Gaza during its 2014 attacks belonged to suicide bombers. As I showed in my previous post, the reason for your failure is that no such evidence exists - the last suicide bombing occurred in 2008 and that was in the West Bank, not Gaza and targeted Israeli security forces. Your claim is blatantly false.
As for your claim that "On to the 19,000 homes destroyed...First 19000 is a wetdream." Here are the official UN (May 2015) Figures:
According to the most recent damage assessment of the summer 2014 hostilities in the Gaza Strip, some 12,576 housing units were totally destroyed and 6,455 housing units severely damaged. In total, over 19,000 units were rendered uninhabitable. This has resulted in an estimated 100,000 IDPs who are currently accommodated with host families, in rented apartments, prefabricated units, makeshift shelters, or in their heavily damaged homes. Nearly 150,000 additional units sustained various degrees of damage but remained inhabitable. Most of the destruction and damage occurred in Gaza governorate, followed by the North, Khan Yunis, Middle Area and Rafah, with over 80 per cent of the housing units destroyed or damaged belonging to refugees.
http://gaza.ochaopt.org/2015/05/latest-damage-assessments-reveal-over-12500-housing-units-destroyed-over-the-summer-hostilities-in-gaza/
My claims are supported by a variety of independent reputable sources:
"3) Israel, unlike Hamas, doesn't deliberately target civilians
The Guardian: "It was there that the second [Israeli] shell hit the beach, those firing apparently adjusting their fire to target the fleeing survivors. As it exploded, journalists standing by the terrace wall shouted: 'They are only children.'" UN high commissioner for human rights Navi Pillay: "A number of incidents, along with the high number of civilian deaths, belies the [Israeli] claim that all necessary precautions are being taken to protect civilian lives." United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, 2009: "The tactics used by the Israeli armed forces in the Gaza offensive are consistent with previous practices, most recently during the Lebanon war in 2006. A concept known as the Dahiya doctrine emerged then, involving the application of disproportionate force and the causing of great damage and destruction to civilian property and infrastructure, and suffering to civilian populations. The Mission concludes from a review of the facts on the ground that it.. appears to have been precisely what was put into practice."
Human Rights Watch: "Israeli forces may also have knowingly or recklessly attacked people who were clearly civilians, such as young boys, and civilian structures, including a hospital - laws-of-war violations that are indicative of war crimes." Amnesty International: "Deliberately attacking a civilian home is a war crime, and the overwhelming scale of destruction of civilian homes, in some cases with entire families inside them, points to a distressing pattern of repeated violations of the laws of war."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/gaza-israel_b_5624401.html
People can judge for themselves from the results whether the Israelis engaged in carefully target aerial, missile, tank and artillery attacks or not. Just google 'Israel+Gaza+protective+shield+images' and view the images. They show entire suburbs razed to the ground. There were also repeated Israeli attacks deliberately targeting hospitals schools and other sites where civilians sought refuge from the indiscriminate onslaught, a claim confirmed by the UN quote above. Even kids playing football on the beach became targets for the Israeli terror machine. It defies common sense to claim that devastation on this scale was anything other than indiscriminate, and the casualty figures with something like 1,500 civilians, c450 of them children confirm the charge. Again your apology for Isreali terror is without foundation in facts.
It is a crime for humanity to target civilian areas with overwhelming fire power regardless of who does it. Official Israeli military doctrine - the 'Dahiya doctrine' - calls for the total devastation of civilian areas to terrorise civilians into capitulation. Israel is as guilty of war crimes on a monumental scale as Hamas is in its indiscriminate attacks on civilians in Gaza. If Hamas does it - its a crime. Equally if Israel does it - it's a crime.
Both sides in the Israeli/Palestine conflict are up to their necks in the blood of innocent civilians and use of terror as a tactic. The Israelis are the simply the better equipped, better trained, better supplied terrorists.
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