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How do they feel about you puking at the diner table?

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But we have extreme 'christian' groups and individuals here in the states. And the US Government keeps them on a very short leash. The moment anyone gets out of line, they are dragged to a court house to face charges.

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It does and already has. There have been many, many examples going back as far as individual nations have wanted to cooperate with each other for mutual advantage. Essentially, you offer the goodies of international trade and influence on world politics in return for nations falling in line with certain requirements as to how they conduct themselves in various spheres. Thus, for instance, the mainly Muslim state of Turkey has made all sorts of changes in order to achieve better relations with the European Union. What this translates to, re the religion of Islam itself, is an erosion of those fundamental tenets that basically rub up other nations the wrong way.

Even the mighty Saudi Arabia, despite all its economic power, is feeling the pressure now from the world community, now. Iran, the other main Muslim power in the Middle East and SA's contender, is suddenly having better relations with the USA (and the West in general) and this adds greatly to the pressure on SA.

Nations learn which side their bread's buttered, sooner or later.

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Of the 250-some suicide-terror bombings last year, how many were done by Christian extremists?

Which christian country invaded the sandbox and killed how many people since 1992?

Hello, Joether II...care to answer the question asked? Or do you plan on making hit and runs like the original?

I have no idea what you are talking about.
If bombing the shit out of civilians is not terror bombing then I don't know what the phoque is. That our pilots and drone operators don't suicide is hardly relevant.

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Why do people single out suicide bombing from all the other kinds of anti-civilian bombings as though it and it alone is the epitome of all evil ? Agreed it is a particularly barbaric practice and one that merits thorough condemnation but so do all anti-civilian bombings.

Why does it merit attention and outrage while equally outrageous artillery and aerial attacks on civilian areas (eg,. Israeli attacks on Gaza, drone bombings, Saudi air attacks in Yemen) get a free pass or even worse are defended and rationalised in some quarters? Why is it OK for a pilot to bomb people from 30,000 feet above (and let's face it, the pilot has no idea what he/she is bombing, how many people/civilians may or may not be in danger or what the actual outcome of his actions are) but to bomb people from 3 feet is the horror of horrors? I see little or no difference and I am certain that the victims see no difference either.

Perhaps what motivates people is that there is no defence against a suicide bomber. Most security systems operate on the assumption that the person attempting to bomb or kill will try to survive and escape after the deed and thus these systems are prone to failure against a person who has no intention of surviving his/her act of terror. Equally those people in Gaza, or in NW Pakistan or Yemen have no means of escaping the aerial terror directed their way. So perhaps we ought to recognise that the universal terror induced by suicide bombers and bombings is replicated exactly in the populations targeted in Gaza, NW Pakistan and Yemen. But the dangers those populations face is far more immediate, far more constant and far more likely to become facts than the dangers we in the well-protected West face. And their casualty figures are far, far higher.

That single realisation on its own ought to make those of us with consciences carefully examine our attitudes towards suicide bombings, aerial bombardments or drone attacks on civilian areas, no matter who does them or what the proffered justifications are.

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If bombing the shit out of civilians is not terror bombing then I don't know what the phoque is. That our pilots and drone operators don't suicide is hardly relevant.

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If bombing the shit out of civilians is not terror bombing then I don't know what the phoque is. That our pilots and drone operators don't suicide is hardly relevant.

Perhaps the term 'terrorist' is most aptly applied to those who cause the largest number of people to feel the highest level of terror. That would help get things into proportion.

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Charlie is anarchist, leftist, satirical, anti-religion.

I despise everything they stand for. I find it distasteful that they should use the death of a child.

That said.

I despite the idea of hate speech restrictions and find it antithetical to free speech. So I never would have bought one and I would ordinarily look forward to the day it ceases publication.

But these guys had the balls to stand up to muslim extremists - and for that reason I'm willing to overlook a lot of poor taste.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Of the 250-some suicide-terror bombings last year, how many were done by Christian extremists?

Which christian country invaded the sandbox and killed how many people since 1992?

Hello, Joether II...care to answer the question asked? Or do you plan on making hit and runs like the original?

I have no idea what you are talking about.
If bombing the shit out of civilians is not terror bombing then I don't know what the phoque is. That our pilots and drone operators don't suicide is hardly relevant.

Much more relevant to Joether's diatribe against Christian extremists than your shit about bombing sandboxes.


Only in your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion

He was talking about extremist religious terrorists...as was I. You...as usual...we're conflating things into your own spin.

No... I am pointing out that mass murder is mass murder.

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Wait.....what? ? ? Nazi's vote Republican and Tea Party? Nazi is short for Nationalists answer Socialists. That is what the Democrat party is famous for. You might get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth.

You might try learning how to post properly dumbass. ...

Ignoring the rich irony in your statement, I'm assuming he meant Nazi is short for "Nationalsozialist" or "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei". As joether apparently believes the conservative group regularly votes for pro-Nazi-like laws, I'm assuming Trucker is citing the socialist tendencies of the democratic party and equating them to Nazis.

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If bombing the shit out of civilians is not terror bombing then I don't know what the phoque is.

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Except they didn't have socialist tendencies.

The 'socialist' simply meant the individual subordinate to the state.

In other words it was an authoritarian regime, which can be right or left; but in this case they very much a right-wing authoritarian regime in practice and principle.

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I barely know where to begin here:

a quote by hitler: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

some of the tenets of the National Socialist German Workers Party Platform:

"We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens.
"We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
"We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
"We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
"We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores,
"The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education
"The State must ensure that the nation's health standards…

in short: "To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states."

hitler on gun control: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."

hitler and abortion: When the Nazis came to power in 1933 one of the first acts Hitler did was to legalize abortion. By 1935 Germany with 65 million people was the place where over 500,000 abortions were being performed each year.

fascism is a form of totalitarianism where private property doesn't really exist and the power is concentrated in corporations owned and operated by the state.

any of those things sound familiar??

adding this new: no 1930's/40s Germany didn't look like todays sweden, or USSR-lite, but my position is still...Nazism is a leftists wet dream. [yes I understand not ALL leftists]