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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/19/2006 10:26:09 PM

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Maybe it's because I am involved sometimes in theater, but what I can appreciate (and enjoy being somewhat able to do) is to get inside the head and feel what it must be like to do what you just said, Caretakr. I can feel it, I really, really think I can feel it (regardless of whether I am the submissive/victim in these kinds of scenarios, or not). It's interesting and being able to do that (if even not to the degree of the Top-Dominant-Master person) and that's what makes it all the more interesting, for me.

Because then I know why (I think, in a way anyway) they like it or love it; I can feel why - and then I maybe I think I know what I could do more of (not that, at some point of rare return, any sub-slave is going to have much choice how they react if they are in their "space")...but I love imagining what the other person might be thinking in almost any scenario (it helps me get "into it" better). I am not always successful, but I think it's fun.I am not experienced at this Sadism stuff; but I imagine a lot and that's a big part of it.

- Susan

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/19/2006 10:28:57 PM

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My ultimate power to control is the ultimate weapon-empathy.

If I can get inside of your head,see what you see-think what you think-feel what you feel.

I know exactly what to do next.

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/19/2006 10:32:52 PM

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Yes. It's a great ability to have. Especially in this kind of life activity (though it sure as heck comes in very handy other places, too).

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/19/2006 10:36:28 PM

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It's also what allows a feeder to open the connection, and draw energy.

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 7:39:16 AM

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And this makes complete sense! I would add that the paradox is that in feeding that hunger ... that in the giving... you feel empowered by the experience as well. Consumed and Empowered all in one!

Empowered....yes!!!! It's really is a beautiful dance is it not?

A very beautiful dance for those that have the desire and courage to get on the dance floor. But, it is the realization of Personal Empowerment that occurs that has allowed me to move beyond the popular Power Exchange label to a Power Enhancement Play. I don't see the play as an exchange. We both exert effort and contribute to a create an energy in the play from our own individual power or energy. It is our individual energy expended that makes us feel consumed or drained from the play. But, it this melding of individual power that we feed from and makes us feel Empowered and Enhanced from the scene. In fact, I think both Top and bottom... or more specifically Sadist and Masochist both feed off the energy that they create together. Even those not directly in the play can contribute to this energy and even feed from it.

I personally have a negative view/definition of Energy Vampires. They suck the energy... but they contribute none of their own to create the energy in the first place. I would also add that I don't see the beast as a bad or evil aspect of my sadism. I do have a beast... but this beast is neither good or bad... it's just the very instinctive primal aspect of my human existence.

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 7:43:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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And this makes complete sense! I would add that the paradox is that in feeding that hunger ... that in the giving... you feel empowered by the experience as well.   Consumed and Empowered all in one!

Empowered....yes!!!! It's really is a beautiful dance is it not?

A very beautiful dance for those that have the desire and courage to get on the dance floor. But, it is the realization of Personal Empowerment that occurs that has allowed me to move beyond the popular Power Exchange label to a Power Enhancement Play. I don't see the play as an exchange. We both exert effort and contribute to a create an energy in the play from our own individual power or energy. It is our individual energy expended that makes us feel consumed or drained from the play.   But, it this melding of individual power that we feed from and makes us feel Empowered and Enhanced from the scene. In fact, I think both Top and bottom... or more specifically Sadist and Masochist both feed off the energy that they create together. Even those not directly in the play can contribute to this energy and even feed from it.

I personally have a negative view/definition of Energy Vampires. They suck the energy... but they contribute none of their own to create the energy in the first place.   I would also add that I don't see the beast as a bad or evil aspect of my sadism. I do have a beast... but this beast is neither good or bad... it's just the very instinctive primal aspect of my human existence.

Well,not all energy vampires just feed. There is a reciporcal flow. But in the case of voyouers,that's an energy vampire that gives nothing back to the bottom-and why I avoid them.

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 7:48:47 AM

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"and the use of my own brake for not wanting or being willing to damage someone physically/emotionally/mentally all comes into play".

Creative: How do you determine, personally, when to "put on the brake"? Is it different for each scene (yes, I suppose it is). I am not meaning to get too personal here. I just want to know if determining that is different than when you are doing a non-Sadistic scene. Thanks.

Well, now he's gone, too. If anyone else can answer that question, feel free.

**And thank you to everyone, for the replies, so far. I appreciate them - a lot.

- Susan

~grins~...yes, it is different for each scene. And yes, I am going again but I will come back and answer this later...promise.

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 7:51:12 AM

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I don't see the play as an exchange. We both exert effort and contribute to a create an energy in the play from our own individual power or energy. It is our individual energy expended that makes us feel consumed or drained from the play. But, it this melding of individual power that we feed from and makes us feel Empowered and Enhanced from the scene. In fact, I think both Top and bottom... or more specifically Sadist and Masochist both feed off the energy that they create together. Even those not directly in the play can contribute to this energy and even feed from it.

I have never before considered it from this angle. There certainly is an enormous, even palpable energy created between the two. Maybe you are correct in that this is the source from which we draw. It certainly would not be readily available if both were not contributing, and I believe that there is a possiblity that if they were indeed feeding directly from each other the weaker would end up empty. Thank you for the perspective...I am going to do some thinking on this.

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 8:04:42 AM

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I liked this post of yours a lot, KoM. It brought together so many thoughts I'd seen running through this thread at once, and clarified them for me. Thanks.

- Susan

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 8:09:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I liked this post of yours a lot, KoM. It brought together so many thoughts I'd seen running through this thread at once, and clarified them for me. Thanks.

- Susan

your welcome.... I am assuming you mean my last post *G*

erin... I look forward to hear about your thoughts on the perspective I have share... either here or privately if you so choose to share them.

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 8:12:47 AM

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Well,not all energy vampires just feed. There is a reciporcal flow. But in the case of voyouers,that's an energy vampire that gives nothing back to the bottom-and why I avoid them.

Voyeurs are not automaticaly an energy vampire ...

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 8:13:04 AM

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KoM: Yes, I did. It was great to read.

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 8:31:05 AM

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I am enjoying the heck out of this discussion...thank you Susan for such a great topic!

KoM...I will share after I toss it around for a bit....thank you.

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 8:59:42 AM

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I have done many heavy Kicking scenes. Back, Buttocks, Chest, Upper Arms, Thighs have all be places that my foot has landed. Heavying kicking can be an incredible play. A couple weeks ago when I went to Ft.Lauderdale to visit kyra, we went go the hotel overlooking the beach. Her first thought of the room was standing against the window getting the hell kicked out of her. She asked for it.... and being the sadist I am... I told her maybe... she's still waiting for it .... that mental/emotional twist is fun sometimes. Now as she reads this she is going to wonder if she should of asked or shouldn't of asked... mmmm more twist! But, as last thought... Yeah I will be kicking the hell out of her again... she can count on it... but she will not know when.

This reminds me of the punching that one I know liked to do. People are generally very shocked when I admit I enjoyed it very much; but it was quite controlled. Heavy, rythmic punches to my buttocks, upper back, shoulders, hips, thighs...yeah; heaven!

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 9:08:18 AM

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my Master is very much the "true Sadist". He has been able to push me further and further. But has "never" gone past what He feels i can. Yes, there have been many times that He took me further that i ever thought i could. Which is His job and He has gotten very good at reading my body and "how" i react emotionally. That is the key. That knowledge. At least it is for U/us. i have been astounded when He has told me what or how something was done and i actually was able to take it. So i know that i am truly lucky in the fact that He has this ability and has shown it when playing with others.But He has never just played with someone without talking extensively and for sometime. That way He has gotten to know what and how they tick.
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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 9:32:39 AM

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Well,not all energy vampires just feed. There is a reciporcal flow. But in the case of voyouers,that's an energy vampire that gives nothing back to the bottom-and why I avoid them.

Voyeurs are not automaticaly an energy vampire ...

No, but some are-and that's enough to ruin it for me-I don't play publically.

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 1:28:33 PM

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I'm not sure that's entirely true, Caretakr. If the bottom is an exhibitionist then I can see involvement with a voyeur being very energizing/empowering as well. The voyeur feeds off the exhibitionists tendencies/need to be watched and the exhibitionist feeds off the energy the voyeur gives off while watching. As with anything I suspect that the key is in finding a partner who shares a need for the same kind of energy flow you do. Not being much of an exhibitionist interacting with soemone who has strong voyeuristic tendencies would be an energy drain for me but that may not be the case for others.

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Well,not all energy vampires just feed. There is a reciporcal flow. But in the case of voyouers,that's an energy vampire that gives nothing back to the bottom-and why I avoid them.

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 1:49:07 PM

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Well...and then there is the 'Embarrassement Factor' watchers bring.

heh heh heh

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 2:03:38 PM

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I'm not sure that's entirely true, Caretakr. If the bottom is an exhibitionist then I can see involvement with a voyeur being very energizing/empowering as well. The voyeur feeds off the exhibitionists tendencies/need to be watched and the exhibitionist feeds off the energy the voyeur gives off while watching. As with anything I suspect that the key is in finding a partner who shares a need for the same kind of energy flow you do. Not being much of an exhibitionist interacting with soemone who has strong voyeuristic tendencies would be an energy drain for me but that may not be the case for others.

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr
Well,not all energy vampires just feed. There is a reciporcal flow. But in the case of voyouers,that's an energy vampire that gives nothing back to the bottom-and why I avoid them.

But watchers are a drain to my energy and focus. What others do is unimportant to that.

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RE: How Far Can A True Sadist Really Go? Just Curious - 7/20/2006 2:08:06 PM

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Touché, Sir.

For my part…I did not mean to imply my way was the ONLY way. Just another point of view, is all.

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