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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/27/2016 5:08:57 PM   
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Interesting read/listen.
I think the same-sex marriage ruling by the Supreme Court last June was a watershed moment for evangelical Christians. I think in a strange way, that same-sex marriage ruling actually made evangelicals more open to a secular candidate like Donald Trump and here's why. I think many evangelicals have come to the conclusion we can no longer depend upon government to uphold traditional biblical values. Let's just let government solve practical problems like immigration, the economy and national security. And if that's all we're looking for government to do, then we don't need a spiritual giant in the White House. We need a strong leader and a problem solver, hence many Christians are open to a secular candidate like Donald Trump.
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/25/468149440/why-do-evangelicals-support-donald-trump-a-pastor-explains


Wait. You mean evangelicals might be starting to understand that the first amendment applies to their flavor of deism, too?!? Huh. Imagine that. lol


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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/27/2016 5:13:12 PM   
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How can someone who insults (especially with such extreme & biting vigor) someone different every week save a party?

He will save it by utterly destroying it and forcing a total ground up rebuild.

And in the meantime we would have a far left one party rule.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/27/2016 5:16:17 PM   
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How can someone who insults (especially with such extreme & biting vigor) someone different every week save a party?

He will save it by utterly destroying it and forcing a total ground up rebuild.


Actually, I dont think so, they wont know how to do that, what to represent (as a party) and the in-fighting will continue election after election.. really, the one politician (or politicians) that seems to be the most popular is the one thats the biggest bully.. but as happens with bullies, they will soon turn on you in due course.. which creates more in-fighting..

If there is anything that really, really needs destroying and a total ground up rebuild its your entire 2 party political system.. just sayin'

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/27/2016 6:32:15 PM   
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Interesting question, Hill.

I'm thinking that he will lose but, in losing, he will actually win. Does that make sense?

If he loses Hillary will get to appoint 2-3 Supreme Court Justices who consider the constitution a serier of obsolete suggestions.
We already have one Justice who has ruled based on European presidence and another who advised the Egyptians to modle their constitution after South Africa as it is better than ours. In 4 years she can do irreeprable harm.

His might "win" as in change the party, but at what cost.

Yea, she might even get a ruling that money is speech and that corporations are humans.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/27/2016 8:06:18 PM   
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Wait. You mean evangelicals might be starting to understand that the first amendment applies to their flavor of deism, too?!? Huh. Imagine that. lol

A few thoughts:

(a) You know those aren't my words, right? They come from a pastor in Texas. I've never yearned for the government to "uphold traditional biblical values." If I wanted to live in a theocracy, I'd move to one.

(b) Is there anyone who's seriously argued that the First Amendment doesn't apply to evangelicals? (Aside, of course, from those satanic Target clerks wishing folks "Happy Holidays.")

(c) I've never really thought of evangelicals as deists.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 5:32:44 AM   
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Wait. You mean evangelicals might be starting to understand that the first amendment applies to their flavor of deism, too?!? Huh. Imagine that. lol

A few thoughts:
(a) You know those aren't my words, right? They come from a pastor in Texas. I've never yearned for the government to "uphold traditional biblical values." If I wanted to live in a theocracy, I'd move to one.
(b) Is there anyone who's seriously argued that the First Amendment doesn't apply to evangelicals? (Aside, of course, from those satanic Target clerks wishing folks "Happy Holidays.")
(c) I've never really thought of evangelicals as deists.


a) It was sarcasm aimed at the pastor, not you (my fault for not making that clear)
b) Argued it? Nope. But, how many evangelicals act like it doesn't?
c) My fault. I meant theist.


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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 8:16:34 AM   
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But, how many evangelicals act like it doesn't?

Intriguing question.

My impression is that evangelicals often seem quite confident asserting the free exercise of their faith, sometimes to the point of wanting it to be the de facto established religion.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 11:01:12 AM   
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But, how many evangelicals act like it doesn't?

Intriguing question.
My impression is that evangelicals often seem quite confident asserting the free exercise of their faith, sometimes to the point of wanting it to be the de facto established religion.


Exactly.


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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 11:59:32 AM   
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https://youtu.be/rmEgr7AE-jQ?t=34


Sooooooooo any thoughts on christies "endorsement"?

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 1:00:06 PM   
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can we handle so much fun like this for the next few months?
https://youtu.be/rmEgr7AE-jQ?t=34
Sooooooooo any thoughts on christies "endorsement"?


"Friends don't let friends vote for cars." LMAO!!!

Chocker? Good Lord! Learn to read, man!!!

I feel bad for Rubio, with his response to the State of the Union address. I've had issues with dry mouth during public speaking before. It sucks. Now, I always have the forethought to have it very close at hand (had I been "on air," it would have been placed so that I didn't have to leave the middle of the screen). While it sucks to have that happen, I don't hold anything against him for it.

Cruz the Joker? I think that's not too far from a "separated at birth?" meme. lol

If anyone thinks the GOP Presidential race isn't close to a circus, I have to point out there's a joker, and a clown, so it's not far off...

ETA: Christie's endorsement? I'm not surprised. Christie isn't exactly a strong establishment guy (recall the blowback from the GOP when he shook hands with the President). If Christie isn't lying about it, he's endorsing a long-time friend, and angling for a position in a Trump Administration (if Trump is elected, of course). I doubt Christie has much connection with anyone else running, so it's not really surprising to me.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 2:42:26 PM   
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But, how many evangelicals act like it doesn't?

Intriguing question.
My impression is that evangelicals often seem quite confident asserting the free exercise of their faith, sometimes to the point of wanting it to be the de facto established religion.


Exactly.


Great minds . . .

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 3:00:17 PM   
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Great minds . . .


You really want to disparage yourself like that?


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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 3:13:54 PM   
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How exactly would the Republican Party rebuild and why would they? The Republicans have been very successful winning in Congress and in state legislatures, and it almost suits them to have an enemy in the White House because all blame can be off-loaded onto the sitting Democratic President.

I don't see Red States suddenly turning cosmopolitan or the American electorate shedding its propensity for misinformed identity politics.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 3:18:17 PM   
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According to 538, Trump would have a real problem winning a 1-1 election on a national level. He has no policies or platform, a checkered business background, and off-putting personality to an electorate scared of extremes.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 5:35:39 PM   
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Interesting question, Hill.

I'm thinking that he will lose but, in losing, he will actually win. Does that make sense?

If he loses Hillary will get to appoint 2-3 Supreme Court Justices who consider the constitution a serier of obsolete suggestions.
We already have one Justice who has ruled based on European presidence and another who advised the Egyptians to modle their constitution after South Africa as it is better than ours. In 4 years she can do irreeprable harm.

His might "win" as in change the party, but at what cost.

Yea, she might even get a ruling that money is speech and that corporations are humans.

You don't seem to mind that unions provide , in money and in kind, just as much as corporations do.

To say that money doesn't equal speach is to say that people have free speach but not the freedom to get their message out.
Or do you want to either limit office holding to the ultra rich or give the media total control over elections?

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 5:59:32 PM   
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You don't seem to mind that unions provide , in money and in kind, just as much as corporations do.

I do, and I am very, very pro union, but I believe both unions and corporations should be barred from making political contributions or lobbying.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 6:10:03 PM   
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You don't seem to mind that unions provide , in money and in kind, just as much as corporations do.

I do, and I am very, very pro union, but I believe both unions and corporations should be barred from making political contributions or lobbying.

That comment was directed at those who gripe about corperation's contributions but not unions. It should be neither or both.

The comment about money = speach is a different issuse. If people can't make contributions then candidates are at the mercy of the media.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 6:15:40 PM   
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It should be neither or both.

Nope. It should be neither, there is no both about it. Political contributions should be limited to actual people, not to legal fictions.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 6:22:28 PM   
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It's like listening to the folks who bitch and moan about shopping at WalMart "I would NEVAH!!!!!!"

Yet....73% of the American population (by the numbers)......do.

So....I would submit that all these whiners who say (regards Trump) "I would NEVAH!!!!!!"

Are.

(And will).

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 2/28/2016 6:26:27 PM   
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