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BamaD -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/6/2016 8:29:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
First you say you would not volunter. Then you say you are ok with it. That is called lying.
Doesn't it hurt your mouth when you talk out of both ends at the same time?


I don't agree with alot of the laws in Singapore because some of those laws affect me negatively personally, but I believe it is necessary for the over all welfare of the country. It's called, the big picture.

It's like, why do America go to bed with Evil Saudis? Because of the big picture.

Agreeing with a harsh policy and volenterring to be on the wrong end of it are not the same thing.




dcnovice -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/6/2016 8:45:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: stef


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Waterboarding isn't torture - any more than watching michael moore films, anyway.

Navy Seals who have undergone it say different. I think I'll take their word for it over the "thoughts" of some chairborne ranger.

We could always ask Sean Hannity.




Phydeaux -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/6/2016 10:36:15 PM)

Oh right - as if SEAL's somehow are immune to partisanship; might have been bribed for their statement, or as if being a seal somehow gives you greater clarity as to what is or isn't torture.
Classic appeal to authority.




Phydeaux -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/6/2016 10:41:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Waterboarding isn't torture

When you volunteer to try it out your opinion will be considered by all rational people to be stupid.



- any more than watching michael moore films, anyway.

Put me firmly in the camp that believes that the rules in place for the 18,19,20th centuries are no longer in play.


Which rules are those?

Terrorists will not respect torture rules-

So far the amerika has had no problem torturing those it disagrees with.

they are thereby liable to torture.

I do believe in transparency - some court approval necessary, upon the recommendation of an interrogation officer that the exigencies and likely utility demand it. Andhave no great belief in its efficacy.

Then why do you post such stupid shit like this?



Volunteer? Sure.

Show up with with a doctor on hand, and pay me $200 a minute; have at least 5K available, Sure.




Greta75 -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 1:04:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
Please don't say you would volunteer for any of this until you have attempted to talk with somebody who has.

Dude, I commited no terrorism crimes, so why should I volunteer to be tortured? It's exactly like asking you to volunteer to go to jail because you approve of putting criminals in jail. It seems like all you guys are being sooooo irrational and emotional about this issue at the moment that all your logic made ZERO rational line of conclusion. But everybody says, there is every possibility of innocent people being tortured falling through the cracks and all I said was I agree, and if I was that innocent person tortured, I still will not want torture to be eradicated. But I know that torture has saved lives in real life situations. Innocents fall through the crack with death penalty as well.

And everyday when I see my government arresting and preventing another terrorist attack and another terrorist attack. Singapore doesn't care about being humane. Who knows what's going on behind the scenes. But everytime nothing happens, and plotters were arrested and put away, I feel like they are doing a damn great job. I know there are no holds bars behind the scenes to make sure a terrorist attack never ever happens.

And again! Doesn't change the fact the British Military psychological profile people with the stomach of torturing and are educated in the art of it, in the more PR role of "interrogators". Whatever illegal claims, it's still being used, effectively.




Greta75 -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 1:13:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Agreeing with a harsh policy and volenterring to be on the wrong end of it are not the same thing.


The whole volunteering to be tortured made zero sense at all, because, this is no different from saying, "If you think murderers should be put to death, why don't you volunteer yourself for death penalty?" OR "If you think murderers should spend life in prison, why don't you volunteer yourself for life imprisonment, because you support it!"

Like I'm just surprise a few usually sensible men jump on this stupidest logic. Sorry.

You guys all lost it.

Never thought I see the day, everybody goes down to follow Thompson form of illogical deduction.




Greta75 -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 1:15:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
Have you ever SEEN or HEARD anybody being tortured Greta ? Have you ever seen the wreckage that's left after a thorough torture session by somebody who knows their job ? Blind in one eye maybe or possibly totally blind; eardrums punctured; teeth pulled , fingernails missing and hands smashed.

I hope some asshole who have been enslaving and raping women and children constantly, like some ISIS fuck, GETS exactly this.




tweakabelle -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 2:03:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
But I know that torture has saved lives in real life situations.


Really?? You know this? Perhaps then you will be kind enough to share the specifics of how "torture has saved lives in real life situations". Precisely which lives did it save? When? Where? And is your information first hand eye-witness - or are you relying on reports of events, which may or may not convey the truth of what transpired?

I am rather sceptical of your claims. In the real world, there is a huge debate about the efficacy of torture as a means of generating life saving information, both inside and outside military circles. I am yet to see a credible report confirming that "torture has saved lives in real life situations".

So perhaps you could share the information that leads you to make this categorical claim with such certainty. (I am of course assuming that you wouldn't be stupid enough to make such a categorical claim without some compelling evidence to back it up.)




Greta75 -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 2:40:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
So perhaps you could share the information that leads you to make this categorical claim with such certainty. (I am of course assuming that you wouldn't be stupid enough to make such a categorical claim without some compelling evidence to back it up.)

I will not share any information as everything is always behind the scenes as the world does not clearly approve of the method. All the news in the media you will get is how terrorist were apprehended, bombs was defused, etc etc, they will not detailed how they managed to save the day or get the information required to locate the terrorists or the bombs, they would just generalise as "intelligence". On top of that, another popular method is to claim to media, the person died instantly from shoot out or whatever, but usually what really happens is the person is caught alive and tortured, before being disposed. As they wanted more information.

But if ya wanna believe it's not happening and not used effectively, then, that's okay with me. All it matters that I am convinced it works and I feel my country is using it effectively to keep us safe. And I won't be surprise if there are several other European Nations doing it too.

I mean, Dvr probably has a clue it is happening, but he just doesn't approve of it personally.




Lucylastic -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 5:01:22 AM)

https://www.facebook.com/CollegeHumor/videos/10153552513872807/?fref=nf



‪#‎trumpshowusyourpenis‬




satanscharmer -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 5:38:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

https://www.facebook.com/CollegeHumor/videos/10153552513872807/?fref=nf



‪#‎trumpshowusyourpenis‬


"Put it where your mouth is"
"Dongald"

Lol.



#donotdoit #fortheloveofgod




tweakabelle -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 5:45:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
So perhaps you could share the information that leads you to make this categorical claim with such certainty. (I am of course assuming that you wouldn't be stupid enough to make such a categorical claim without some compelling evidence to back it up.)

I will not share any information as everything is always behind the scenes as the world does not clearly approve of the method. All the news in the media you will get is how terrorist were apprehended, bombs was defused, etc etc, they will not detailed how they managed to save the day or get the information required to locate the terrorists or the bombs, they would just generalise as "intelligence". On top of that, another popular method is to claim to media, the person died instantly from shoot out or whatever, but usually what really happens is the person is caught alive and tortured, before being disposed. As they wanted more information.

But if ya wanna believe it's not happening and not used effectively, then, that's okay with me. All it matters that I am convinced it works and I feel my country is using it effectively to keep us safe. And I won't be surprise if there are several other European Nations doing it too.

I mean, Dvr probably has a clue it is happening, but he just doesn't approve of it personally.


Strip away all the BS and bluster and we are left with - nothing at all. Not an iota of evidence to support your claims, just some dissembling as you try to cover the fact that you have no evidence to support your claim

And your claim was : "But I know that torture has saved lives in real life situations." It turns out that you know no such thing. You hope/believe that certain things might have happened but you have no way of knowing. So your claim, like so much of your contributions to these boards is arrant BS.




Lucylastic -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 5:50:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: satanscharmer


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

https://www.facebook.com/CollegeHumor/videos/10153552513872807/?fref=nf



‪#‎trumpshowusyourpenis‬


"Put it where your mouth is"
"Dongald"

Lol.



#donotdoit #fortheloveofgod

LMAO




dcnovice -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 6:12:06 AM)

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might have been bribed for their statement,

Oh my.




Lucylastic -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 6:29:34 AM)

consider the source:)




Musicmystery -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 6:32:13 AM)

Or aliens might have taken over their brains.

[image]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Tin_foil_hat_2.png[/image]




thompsonx -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 10:07:17 AM)


ORIGINAL: BamaD


ORIGINAL: Greta75

ORIGINAL: thompsonx
First you say you would not volunter. Then you say you are ok with it. That is called lying.
Doesn't it hurt your mouth when you talk out of both ends at the same time?


I don't agree with alot of the laws in Singapore because some of those laws affect me negatively personally, but I believe it is necessary for the over all welfare of the country. It's called, the big picture.

It's like, why do America go to bed with Evil Saudis? Because of the big picture.

Agreeing with a harsh policy and volenterring to be on the wrong end of it are not the same thing.


What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the goosee.
When you approve of a harsh policy that policy applies to you as well.
You see if you say that you approve of the cops shooting all fat white guys who own a german shepared and a gun, you are in fact voluntering to be shot.




thompsonx -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 10:11:05 AM)


ORIGINAL: Greta75
I will not share any information as everything is always behind the scenes as the world does not clearly approve of the method.


Once again you have been caught with your hand in the cookie jar/lying





thompsonx -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 10:13:46 AM)

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Oh right - as if SEAL's somehow are immune to partisanship; might have been bribed for their statement,

Why do you feel that navy seals are liars?

or as if being a seal somehow gives you greater clarity as to what is or isn't torture.
Classic appeal to authority.

You posted up a statement from a seal and expected us to believe your appeal to authority.


Punk assmotherfuckers run their mouthes...if you were a real man you would show us how pleasant the process is.
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thompsonx -> RE: why do people vote for donald trump (3/7/2016 10:26:56 AM)


ORIGINAL: Greta75

ORIGINAL: thompsonx
No it is called "you can't do shit about it so agree and move on.

No, if I was really against it, there are many things I could do. Write into the media protesting it. Gather a movement, with social media, stage huge protest online.

That is against the law in singapore. So once again we see that the closest you have ever been to singapore is google.








Public Order Act

(CHAPTER 257A)

(Original Enactment: Act 15 of 2009)

REVISED EDITION 2012

(31st May 2012)

An Act to regulate assemblies and processions in public places, to provide powers necessary for preserving public order and the safety of individuals at special event areas, to supplement other laws relating to the preservation and maintenance of public order in public places.

[9th October 2009]



PART I

PRELIMINARY


Short title

1. This Act may be cited as the Public Order Act.


Interpretation

2.
—(1) In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires —
“act of terrorism” means any of the following:

(a)

a terrorist bombing offence within the meaning of the Terrorism (Suppression of Bombings) Act (Cap. 324A);


(b)

a terrorist act within the meaning of the Terrorism (Suppression of Financing) Act (Cap. 325);

“assembly” means a gathering or meeting (whether or not comprising any lecture, talk, address, debate or discussion) of persons the purpose (or one of the purposes) of which is —

(a)

to demonstrate support for or opposition to the views or actions of any person, group of persons or any government;


(b)

to publicise a cause or campaign; or


(c)

to mark or commemorate any event,

and includes a demonstration by a person alone for any such purpose referred to in paragraph (a), (b) or (c);

“authorised officer”, in relation to any provision in this Act or the regulations, means any police officer authorised in that behalf by the Commissioner for the purposes of that provision;

“Commissioner” means the Commissioner of Police appointed under the Police Force Act (Cap. 235);

“copy”, in relation to a film, means any article or thing in which the visual images or sounds comprising the film are embodied;

“declaration” means a declaration made under section 21;

“event” includes any rehearsal, sound and light testing and other ancillary activities necessary and incidental to an event;

“permit” means a permit granted under section 7 in respect of a public assembly or public procession;

“place” includes any motor vehicle, train, vessel, aircraft or other conveyance;

“procession” means a march, parade or other procession (whether or not involving the use of vehicles or other conveyances) —

(a)

comprising 2 or more persons gathered at a place of assembly to move from that place substantially as a body of persons in succession proceeding by a common route or routes; and


(b)

the purpose (or one of the purposes) of which is —

(i)

to demonstrate support for or opposition to the views or actions of any person, group of persons or any government;


(ii)

to publicise a cause or campaign; or


(iii)

to mark or commemorate any event,

and includes any assembly held in conjunction with such procession, and a march by a person alone for any such purpose referred to in paragraph (b)(i), (ii) or (iii);

“prohibited area” means any area that is specified in an order made under section 12;

“public assembly” means an assembly held or to be held in a public place or to which members of the public in general are invited, induced or permitted to attend;

“public place” means —

(a)

any place (open to the air or otherwise) to which members of the public have access as of right or by virtue of express or implied permission, whether or not on payment of a fee, whether or not access to the place may be restricted at particular times or for particular purposes, and whether or not it is an “approved place” within the meaning of the Public Entertainments and Meetings Act (Cap. 257); or


(b)

a part of a place that the occupier of the place allows members of the public to enter, but only while the place is ordinarily open to members of the public;

“public procession” means a procession in, to or from a public place;

“regulated place” means any place to which Part IV applies;

“security officer” means an individual who is a licensed security officer within the meaning of the Private Security Industry Act (Cap. 250A);

“special event” means an event declared under section 21 to be a special event;

“special event area”, in relation to a special event, means, for the period the declaration under section 21 of the event is in force —

(a)

the place or places stated in the declaration as the location or locations at which the event is or is to be; and


(b)

any place reasonably incidental to the holding of the event;

“unrestricted area” means a public place specified in an order made under section 14.

(2) Any reference in this Act to an assembly or a procession that is unlawful under Part II shall be a reference to an assembly or a procession —

(a)

in respect of which no permit has been granted under section 7 or no such permit is in force;


(b)

which is held —

(i)

on a date or at a time which differs from the date or time specified in relation to the assembly or procession in the notice given under section 6; or


(ii)

in the case of a procession, along a route which differs from the route specified in relation to the procession in the notice given under section 6;


(c)

which is not in compliance with any requirement imposed by section 8(1) or any condition imposed under section 8(2) on organisers or persons taking part in that assembly or procession;


(d)

which is held within a prohibited area and the holding thereof is prohibited by an order under section 12(1);


(e)

the holding of which is prohibited by an order or a notification under section 13(1) or (2); or


(f)

which is held within an unrestricted area and the holding thereof is not in accordance with any condition that applies by virtue of section 14 to the organising or taking part in the assembly or procession.


Meanings of “organising” and “taking part in”

3.
—(1) In this Act, a reference to a person organising an assembly or a procession shall be a reference to a person who is responsible for holding, convening, forming or collecting the assembly or procession, and includes —

(a)

any person who assists or promotes the holding, convening, forming or collecting of any assembly or procession; and


(b)

where any person will receive revenue from the sale (if any) of tickets to the assembly or procession, that person,

but does not include a person carrying on a demonstration by himself or marching alone.

(2) A reference to a person or persons taking part in an assembly or a procession shall include, as the case may be, a person carrying on a demonstration by himself, or a march by a person alone, for any such purpose referred to in the definitions of an assembly and a procession, respectively, in section 2(1).


Commissioner and authorised officers

4.
—(1) The Commissioner shall, subject to any general or special directions of the Minister, be responsible for the administration of this Act and may perform such duties as are imposed and may exercise such powers as are conferred upon him by this Act.

(2) The Minister may from time to time give the Commissioner directions of a general character, and not inconsistent with the provisions of this Act, as to the exercise of the powers and discretions conferred on the Commissioner by, and the duties required to be discharged by the Commissioner under, this Act; and the Commissioner shall give effect to all such directions given.

(3) The Commissioner may delegate the exercise of all or any of the powers conferred or duties imposed upon him by this Act (except the power of delegation conferred by this subsection) to any authorised officer, subject to such conditions or limitations as set out in this Act or as the Commissioner may specify by directions; and any reference in this Act to the Commissioner shall include a reference to such an authorised officer.

(4) In exercising any powers or functions under a delegation under subsection (3), an authorised officer must comply with any direction of the Commissioner.

http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/search/display/view.w3p;query=DocId%3A387d5223-4e87-42fb-88bd-1b1b47c61433%20%20Status%3Ainforce%20Depth%3A0;rec=0
https://asiancorrespondent.com/2015/04/arrest-two-peaceful-protesters-questions-freedom-of-assembly-singapore/

I mean in Singapore, laws have been change through actions of ordinary people if people were really against some new law. Infact the strangest thing is, despite our lower freedom ranking, but ordinary people have influence the government policies alot more than I see in America.

Maybe that is because you live in idaho have your head up your ass and cannot see what is happening.






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