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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/8/2016 9:44:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		hang on a minute...one woman crashes a plane...and so you dont believe women should/can fly planes?
I can see Donald saying that....
I dont like her.... she died, she crashed a plane I only like living women who land every time, like men do.?
ok these pain meds are giving me the chortles, I need some sleep.
PS I would never ever sign up for combat...I know my limitations.
can you be any more ignorant "big"?
no, please dont see that as a challenge...im leavin for the afternoon.

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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/8/2016 11:26:51 AM   
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I lived in San Diego for 30 years and was still living there when all this happened and there was plenty of testimony from people who knew her and were there when all this went down including her co-pilot.

The f 14 has only one pilot. The other crewman is not a pilot but a radar and weapons operator. So could you please explane why you think a non pilot knows more about flying than a pilot with more than 1200 hours 600 landings and 48 carrier landings in the f 14?



I'm not sure if the recording is still available of the accident with her co-pilot yelling at her to apply more power to the aircraft and her not applying enough was the reason for the crash. It's a well known problem with that air craft that when the plane began to stall it would roll over and that's exactly what happened. The co-pilot survived because he new what was happening and ejected albeit almost to late because he was seriously injured.


Now you are just making shit up.


The earlier report by the legal staff, which was released last month, blamed the crash on the failure of the plane's left engine as Hultgreen and radar intercept officer Lieutenant Matthew Klemish were attempting to land on the carrier Abraham Lincoln.

Klemish ejected safely from the plane and was rescued from the water minutes later. Hultgreen's body was found 19 days later, when wreckage of the plane was recovered from Pacific waters about 50 miles off the coast from San Diego.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/New-Navy-Report-Cites-Pilot-Error-Female-3039804.php


The Navy and the Government will never admit that it was political correctness that allowed her to be put in a position that ultimately cost Kara Hultgreen's life. I have no doubt that most if not all small minded liberals will not see the truth as political correctness is one of their religious commandments and like all thing's liberal the truth takes a back seat to the their religion.

How exactly did p/c allow this person to fly more than 1200 hours in an f 14 make more than 600 landings and 58carrier landings 48 of which were in the f 14?.
There have been 160 men who crashed f 14 and only one woman...it would seem that you are a man with a paper asshole trying to fight a forest fire.

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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/8/2016 3:48:30 PM   
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hang on a minute...one woman crashes a plane...and so you dont believe women should/can fly planes?
I can see Donald saying that....
I dont like her.... she died, she crashed a plane I only like living women who land every time, like men do.?
ok these pain meds are giving me the chortles, I need some sleep.
PS I would never ever sign up for combat...I know my limitations.
can you be any more ignorant "big"?
no, please dont see that as a challenge...im leavin for the afternoon.


Who on this thread said women should not or could not fly planes?

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The f 14 has only one pilot. The other crewman is not a pilot but a radar and weapons operator.


What relevance does that have on the discussion?

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So could you please explane why you think a non pilot knows more about flying than a pilot with more than 1200 hours 600 landings and 48 carrier landings in the f 14?



The number of carrier landings are not as relevant as the number of critical mistakes that were made during training. She made 4 which would have washed out any male during training.

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How exactly did p/c allow this person to fly more than 1200 hours in an f 14 make more than 600 landings and 58carrier landings 48 of which were in the f 14?.
There have been 160 men who crashed f 14 and only one woman...it would seem that you are a man with a paper asshole trying to fight a forest fire.


There will always be air plane crashes ranging from pilot error, equipment failure and adverse weather conditions where as in her case the weather was not a factor and the engine failure excuse is just part of the cover up.

I said all I'm going to say as even if I had irrefutable proof that I was right it wouldn't make a bit of difference to you brain dead liberals because the truth rarely changes your religious believes.

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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/8/2016 4:09:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe you could have parallel male and female forces *smile*...........................so that every unit is paralleled by one of the opposite sex ? One of the reasons I heard many years ago for NOT mixing men and women in the same units was because in a combat situation, if a woman gets into trouble somehow, some male is going to get all chivalrous and go after her and try and help her, thus compromising the situation even more. If you had all female units, in all arms of the service, as well as separate all-male units, I would guess the chivalrous bit wouldn't arise. The Israelis had a couple of female regiments way back when and that seemed to work for them. Who knows, dafter ideas HAVE worked *smile*.

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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/9/2016 6:39:43 AM   
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The f 14 has only one pilot. The other crewman is not a pilot but a radar and weapons operator.

What relevance does that have on the discussion?

You said this

I'm not sure if the recording is still available of the accident with her co-pilot yelling at her to apply more power to the aircraft and her not applying enough was the reason for the crash.

The relevance would be that you have no clue what you are talking about. Since there is only one pilot there is no co-pilot "yelling at her to appy more power as you claim.


It's a well known problem with that air craft that when the plane began to stall it would roll over and that's exactly what happened. The co-pilot survived because he new what was happening and ejected albeit almost to late because he was seriously injured.

Now you are making shit up again. The rio was not injured. There is no co-pilot in an f 14. The record shows that it took lt. hultgren .4 seconds more to read the directions on the back of the face curtain than her rio. He ejected upwards .4 seconds later she ejected straight down at 90 mph verticle velocity into the ocean.

Klemish ejected safely from the plane and was rescued from the water minutes later. Hultgreen's body was found 19 days later, when wreckage of the plane was recovered from Pacific waters about 50 miles off the coast from San Diego.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/New-Navy-Report-Cites-Pilot-Error-Female-3039804.php

The Navy and the Government will never admit that it was political correctness that allowed her to be put in a position that ultimately cost Kara Hultgreen's life.


That would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion. If she were a substandard pilot how did she manage 58 carrier landings 48 of which were in the f 14?
If she were a substandard pilot how did she become a pilot in an agressor squdron of a-6 intruders?
If she were a substandard pilot how did she acquire over 1200 hours of flight time in the f 14?
How many years does it take for an f 14 pilot to acquire 1200 hours of flight time?

I have no doubt that most if not all small minded liberals will not see the truth as political correctness is one of their religious commandments and like all thing's liberal the truth takes a back seat to the their religion.

I have no doubt that most if not all small minded morons will not see the truth that the f 14 is a very difficult aircraft to pilot (as evidenced by the fact that about a third of the 500+ navy f 14's were lost to accidents and less than a dozen were lost to combat) and that 160 men failed at it while only one woman failed.


So could you please explane why you think a non pilot knows more about flying than a pilot with more than 1200 hours 600 landings and 48 carrier landings in the f 14?


The number of carrier landings are not as relevant as the number of critical mistakes that were made during training.

She landed the most sophisticated aircraft in the nave on a carrier 48 times without incident and you do not feel that is relevant?


She made 4 which would have washed out any male during training.

Not true. I attended u.s. naval flight school in 1964. In the course of my training I recieved 7 downs and was not washed out.



How exactly did p/c allow this person to fly more than 1200 hours in an f 14 make more than 600 landings and 58 carrier landings 48 of which were in the f 14?.
There have been 160 men who crashed f 14 and only one woman...it would seem that you are a man with a paper asshole trying to fight a forest fire.

There will always be air plane crashes ranging from pilot error, equipment failure and adverse weather conditions where as in her case the weather was not a factor and the engine failure excuse is just part of the cover up.

The cite provided points out quite clearly her mistakes.

I said all I'm going to say as even if I had irrefutable proof that I was right

Perhaps when you bring that proof we will look at it. In the mean time all you have posted is your ignorant unsubstantiated missogynist opinion.






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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/10/2016 5:53:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		For those who care to know more about Kara Hultgreen and what really happened here are a few more links.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/New-Navy-Report-Cites-Pilot-Error-Female-3039804.php

http://www.cmrlink.org/data/sites/85/CMRDocuments/CMRRPT09-0695.pdf

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/articles/95/costly-affirmative-action.htm

http://www.cmrlink.org/articles/print/34497?author=0&image=0&domain=0

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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/10/2016 6:11:49 PM   
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Maybe you could have parallel male and female forces *smile*...........................so that every unit is paralleled by one of the opposite sex ? One of the reasons I heard many years ago for NOT mixing men and women in the same units was because in a combat situation, if a woman gets into trouble somehow, some male is going to get all chivalrous and go after her and try and help her, thus compromising the situation even more. If you had all female units, in all arms of the service, as well as separate all-male units, I would guess the chivalrous bit wouldn't arise. The Israelis had a couple of female regiments way back when and that seemed to work for them. Who knows, dafter ideas HAVE worked *smile*.


Actually the all women IDF combat groups were NOT that good.

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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/10/2016 6:47:38 PM   
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For those who care to know more about Kara Hultgreen and what really happened here are a few more links.


Mysogynist websites are usually a good place to find punkassmotherfuckers bashsing women.
So far you have failed to explane how this unqualified woman was able to land the most sophisticated aircraft in the navy 48 times on a carrier including 17 night landings without craahing?
You have also failed to explane why the 160 men who crashed f 14's were more qualified than the one girl who crashed one???Unless you feel that mysogony is a reason.

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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/10/2016 6:50:41 PM   
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Actually the all women IDF combat groups were NOT that good.


What evidence do you base this opinion on?

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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/10/2016 7:44:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, the Syrians and Jordanians were terrified of the all women IDF regiments in both the 67 and 74 wars. There again, I am only basing this on the hearsay of my brother ( who was a tanker with the Israelis) and his widow ( who was a leutnant in one of those regiments). They were there but they COULD have been wrong.

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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/10/2016 8:24:46 PM   
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For those who care to know more about Kara Hultgreen and what really happened here are a few more links.

For those who care to know what a phoquing liar you are here is a link to your source.

Center For Military Readiness Criticized For Lax Oversight

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/19/elaine-donnelly-lobbyist-_n_903494.html

Though her dire predictions have proven consistently wrong and her fundraising has declined significantly, more than two decades later, Donnelly and her Center for Military Readiness (CMR) are still leading the fight for discrimination in the military — now working to preserve the military’s current ban on transgender service members.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/05/23/3439070/elaine-donnelly-center-for-military-readiness/


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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/11/2016 3:30:00 AM   
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Actually, the Syrians and Jordanians were terrified of the all women IDF regiments in both the 67 and 74 wars. There again, I am only basing this on the hearsay of my brother ( who was a tanker with the Israelis) and his widow ( who was a leutnant in one of those regiments). They were there but they COULD have been wrong.


It is a "well known fact" that rems have an uncanny ability to detect the inhearant flaws of the infantry.

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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/12/2016 8:23:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		the female body is not as strong as the male granted but having incorperated forces allows for more and better contact with locals especialy with the midile eastern cultures. females have diffrent perceptions and are able to pick out what many males would miss. as far as direct combat i have seen our female soldiers and they are vicious if not more so than the males. males tend to just power through obsticals where females find better pathways. having them as a part of the forces just makes it a better force more capable in a more diverse world.

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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/12/2016 9:47:54 PM   
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Actually, the Syrians and Jordanians were terrified of the all women IDF regiments in both the 67 and 74 wars. There again, I am only basing this on the hearsay of my brother ( who was a tanker with the Israelis) and his widow ( who was a leutnant in one of those regiments). They were there but they COULD have been wrong.

You must keep in mind that to Muslims death at the hands of a woman is disgracefull.


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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/13/2016 12:29:31 PM   
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You must keep in mind that to Muslims death at the hands of a woman is disgracefull.


Any validation for this nonsense or is this just some more of your bigoted mysogony?

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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/13/2016 12:32:44 PM   
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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/13/2016 12:51:02 PM   
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I've actually heard something pretty similar, that if a woman kills a jihadist warrior then they will not be allowed into heaven or something. I'm not sure how true it is but I like the fact that you have these terrorists who's biggest fear is being killed by a woman lol


In ww2 we were told that the japs were all nearly blind and needed glasses. We were told that only the first wave of russian soldiers had rifles and those behind them were unarmed until they could find a dead mans weapon. History shows that these were lies. I would suspect that much of what we have been told about isis is just as factual.

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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/14/2016 7:49:32 AM   
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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/14/2016 7:59:11 AM   
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RE: recruting women for combat - 3/14/2016 1:40:34 PM   
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I've actually heard something pretty similar, that if a woman kills a jihadist warrior then they will not be allowed into heaven or something. I'm not sure how true it is but I like the fact that you have these terrorists who's biggest fear is being killed by a woman lol


In ww2 we were told that the japs were all nearly blind and needed glasses. We were told that only the first wave of russian soldiers had rifles and those behind them were unarmed until they could find a dead mans weapon. History shows that these were lies. I would suspect that much of what we have been told about isis is just as factual.



During ww2 there were rumours about concentration camps but it wasn't until Germany was invaded that they found out exactly how bad it was. Not every rumour is false, it pays not to put too much faith in rumours, but to simply dismiss them without even considering them is pretty narrow minded. I personally don't care if it's a correct or incorrect rumour, but if it's true them great, it's one way to strike fear into ISIS, if not then...what? It's not racist to misunderstand another religion, it's only discriminatory when you use said rumours to define your interpretation of who Muslim people are in the first place, which after having several Muslim friends growing up I know is idiotic to do. I can't speak for people like Bounty or Bama however, since they'll likely use this as a blanket definition about Muslim men in general no doubt, but people who actually think aren't like that.

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