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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/25/2016 8:38:33 PM

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Where did I express that desire? I haven't... but if asked i want to help all refugees. But i must say I am having trouble remembering where Cuban terrorist have flown planes into buildings and murdered American men women and children.

And remember we are talking our personal opinions and neither of us have control of our politicians and their exceptions to emigration law. I would like all emigrants properly vetted and if possible sponsored... But alas I am not King....yet

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/25/2016 8:43:07 PM

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Only if you plan to stay there permanently....

God of all people, meaning me, to talk proper English...

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/25/2016 8:49:17 PM

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Most of the history I have read about that dust up (not extensive) seemed to revolve around the catholics and the protestants. You know I am an athiest so I have no dog in that fight.
How about a quick thumbnail from your perspective.

I was growing up in the sixties n early 70s, my hubby was in NI on three tours in the british army, the hate of each others religion, was a factor in family, friends, neighbours. ANd a large part of what turned me OFF ALL religion as a whole.
In 76 we had multiple bomb hoaxes at school.
We had warnings about unattended bags on the tube and BR as a whole
I was close to harrods and at victoria street station when a car bomb was found and detonated several hours later that was in 83.
I made the acquaintance of an IRa bomber(more his family tho) who blew his own leg off, when I was visiting an ex in jail at parkhurst.
I hate terrorists and I dont like any religion.
I dont hate catholics, but I was brought up protestant, if catholics choose to denigrate me for something I was as a child, thats their problem, I dont hate them in the slightest, Im not happy with either side when it comes to "righteousness"
That the establishment continually fucks over innocent people, torture and kill innocents in the name of Justice, is also why I hate politicians.
I have no doubt that security being much more advanced than it was in the 70s and 80s

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/25/2016 8:56:25 PM

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When permanence is not the criterion, then the term is to migrate. My apologies but I was shown the easy way to remember the first two terms when I was at primary school and it has stuck with me. E = Emigrate and E = Exit. I = Immigrate and I = Into or Ingress. Childish ? yes but it obviously sticks in my otherwise barren brain *smile*. so yesterdays emigrant is todays immigrant.

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/25/2016 9:03:49 PM

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I was led to believe that a lot of that shit that went on in Ireland in the latter years was stirred up and carried out by the "provos", who were nominally, or claimed to be, catholic but basically they were irreligious terrorists for the sake of being terrorists, ( neither flesh, nor fowl nor good fresh fish), just as quite a few of the fools who slide off to fight for daesh possibly are. They think there is glory and heroism and all that other bullshit in it. There isn't but like the old IRA motto "Once you are in, you are never out".

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RE: Brussels, Belgium - 3/25/2016 10:17:20 PM

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I dont know where you sucked up that they kill in european migrant districts at will horseshit, probably your lack of understanding of the English Language or any socio-political thought....

Why are they attacking in France and Belgium and so on and so forth. Simple question Uh. They may be the wrong color. And I am only going to tell you this one time, I ain't y'all. I understand that we all brought this on ourselves to some degree, but I asked you a question and obviously you are not equipped to understand it or speak with any knowledge upon it. So, you got fucking freedom. What fucking asswipe. Nobody is monitoring innocent citizens as you try your smear here more than they are in Nato headquarters so you can pull in your emotional shit now. So, they dont attack Trinidad and Tobago, which I think has a great deal of freedom, nor do they attack Denmark which aint really too bad, nor Israel their sworn enemy but some bullshit little shitstain like Belgium which does not affect America whatsoever, now why is that? See, kiddo, nobody here much knows who Ulrike Meinhof or Andreas Bader was. Nor even as much as Claude Dallas, how many people in America do you think has ever heard of Belgium or thought of it more than do they have enough toiletpaper for the weekend, and when the next election numbers come in and Trump says something stupid as he always will remember you? Oh we 'stand by you'. So war is an extension of politics by other means; war is of great interest to the state, and yadda yadda blah blah blah............. the shit here plainly dont wash.

Jesus Christ, are you off your meds or something? I haven't seen shit this fucking incoherent since the Arpig days.

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/26/2016 4:03:44 AM

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Where did I express that desire? I haven't... but if asked i want to help all refugees. But i must say I am having trouble remembering where Cuban terrorist have flown planes into buildings and murdered American men women and children.

I would remind you that those who flew the planes into the wtc were saudis...our ally
I would also remind you of operation northwoods

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/us_military_drafted_plans_for_do.htm

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RE: Brussels, Belgium - 3/27/2016 12:56:14 AM

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And like I said before:
Ya'll have stirred up the hornets nest waging war on half the world for generations,

Actually, prior to 9/11, what do you think US has done to offend Al Qaeda, besides, simply not being Muslim?

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and now you've sacrificed your own freedoms and your own constitution to allow the government to lock the country down tight by enabling them to lock anybody they don't like without due cause, so it's much easier to take it out on Europe (considering that in the eyes of Muslims, 'the West' ie Europe and the US are all the same thing anyways).

They are taking it out on Europe because since Obama took Presidential Ship, he kinda made US, take a huge step back away from being the leader for the battle against ISIS. He wanted to stay out of it and let Europe get more involved and take more of a leadership position in this fight against terrorism. Obama wanted US to stop being the sole responsible nation to take care of this fight against Terrorists.

And Europe did step up, naturally, their presence being more prominent, that lead Terrorists to paying "retribution" to them as well.

I think it's not fair to blame US for this. Can't forever hide behind US and let them be the front antagonist all the time. It's just crazy that the world is blaming US for terrorism. It's like blaming the victims of terrorism for defending themselves and putting up a fight.

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Terrorists are lazy and cowardly fuckers. They're mad at 'the West' and they know they can get arrested here for having the wrong color, so they take it out on Europe instead, where freedom still means enough so that they're not harassed until after they actually do something wrong.

When terrorism happens in Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, China, nobody in the news in the west cares. But no, they aren't just targeting the West. We have constantly been on extreme high alert here. ISIS has been been diligently establishing cells in Asia with end goal of co-ordinating a few attacks on a few main Asian countries. When I was in Thailand 3 days ago, I was so happy to see all shopping malls had security and metal detectors at every entrance and bag checks. Made me feel safe. Alert is super high. Our government is reporting they have foiled many attacks on Singapore already, but they may miss one and already prepare us that, it's gonna hit us at home, it's just a matter of when. Security alert is on super high at the moment.

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It sucks for us, we know. We're still not wiling to sacrifice our freedom over it and start 'monitoring' innocent citizens.

Freedom to me, is not getting blown up into pieces while shopping in a mall, or going to an airport. That's real freedom. Belgian police really dropped the ball. There was this news that said, Turkey gave Belgian authorities information about specifically this group, targetting airports and subways, since last year June. Belgian authorities had full information that this was gonna happen, inclusive of the person responsible for it, Turkey intellgence warned them and gave them whatever info they had since last year June!!! But they couldn't find enough evidence to restrain the guy and lock him up so that Belgium can be safe. And on top of that, they stupidly let their ball down. They should have been stalking that dude like a hawk.

This to me, is the most ridiculous thing. I think it's the belief that, I rather let millions die, than let a few innocents be wrongly put away, something many liberals strongly believe in, they believe in a different kind of freedom. Or the alternative is to save majority lives and have a few innocents sometimes mistakenly and wrongly put away.

I am for the latter, and my country practices the latter. They been foiling attacks by putting people away through internal security act where if you believe someone is plotting terrorist activity, he can be put away without trial. It has kept us quite safe so far. Is it gonna be 100% safe? Nothing is 100%. But prevention is better than trying to keep dealing with aftermath of unnecessary deaths.

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/27/2016 2:33:35 AM

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I was close to harrods and at victoria street station when a car bomb was found and detonated several hours later that was in 83.

To be clear, the Harrods bomb did explode, killing six. One of the six was an American - I think possibly the only American killed by the IRA.

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/27/2016 4:19:32 AM

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When permanence is not the criterion, then the term is to migrate. My apologies but I was shown the easy way to remember the first two terms when I was at primary school and it has stuck with me. E = Emigrate and E = Exit. I = Immigrate and I = Into or Ingress. Childish ? yes but it obviously sticks in my otherwise barren brain *smile*. so yesterdays emigrant is todays immigrant.

I do not think it childish at all. Truth taught to chilren does not change when we become adults. I thank you for disabusing me of my ignorance in this area.

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RE: Brussels, Belgium - 3/27/2016 4:23:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
And like I said before:
Ya'll have stirred up the hornets nest waging war on half the world for generations,

Actually, prior to 9/11, what do you think US has done to offend Al Qaeda, besides, simply not being Muslim?

Her statement was "waging war on half the world for generations". Obviously you have failed to comprehend what that means so seek some help from an adult who can read.

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RE: Brussels, Belgium - 3/27/2016 4:27:27 AM

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prior to 9/11 what ahas the US done to offend alqueda
omfg, get some history in you
What happened between 9/11 and 2008????

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RE: Brussels, Belgium - 3/27/2016 4:33:43 AM

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When terrorism happens in Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, China, nobody in the news in the west cares. But no, they aren't just targeting the West.

Don't forget Turkey. I'm pretty sure it's not considered part of the west either.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/europe/2016/03/21/new-bomb-attack-paralyzes-life-turkey/82064738/

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RE: Brussels, Belgium - 3/27/2016 4:58:35 AM

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prior to 9/11 what ahas the US done to offend alqueda
omfg, get some history in you
What happened between 9/11 and 2008????

Was this directed to me? Does nobody understand the meaning of prior to 9/11? That's BEFORE 2001. So what has 2001 to 2008 got to do with BEFORE 2001?

Infact, wasn't that Clinton era? What have they done to piss off Al Qaeda to deserve 9/11?

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RE: Brussels, Belgium - 3/27/2016 5:24:55 AM

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and before that was HW Bush... remember the persian gulf war????
You are the one blaming obama, but obama wasnt involved until 2008

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RE: Brussels, Belgium - 3/27/2016 5:50:09 AM

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When terrorism happens in Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, China, nobody in the news in the west cares.

Er sorry to say, but that's not correct. Many domestic events in those countries are not reported, but terrorism attacks certainly is.
You find articles about such both in printed newspapers, teletext messages arrive in a short time after anything such happens, but it does not always make it into webbased newssites - who often target groups with special interests. Then again, those sites often in languages you wont read anyway.

And I had a look at the american site Newsdaily.com, one of their top items were 11 terrorists sentenced in Dubai when this was written (together with news from Myanmar, Mexico, Syria, Bangladesh and indeed Belgium).

So I don't agree the slightest about reporting of major events and not just act of terrorism. 20 years ago we only had BBC but news comes in many forms today and events in Asia get a lot of coverage nowadays.

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RE: Brussels, Belgium - 3/27/2016 5:55:37 AM

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and before that was HW Bush... remember the persian gulf war????
You are the one blaming obama, but obama wasnt involved until 2008

You are blaming HW Bush for Al Qaeda attack on 9/11? Kidding right? Osama doesn't care about the Gulf war. His goal was to simply do Allah's work and spread Sharia laws to the world by the sword. As it was done by his role model Muhammad.

Obama is involved since 2008, and Belgium terrorist attack is now in 2016, I'd say that's Obama timeline and ISIS was formed during Obama regime. Obama is protecting America by making sure US isn't the frontline antagnist anymore, that's why larger bombs targets are now Europe, as they are stepping up to be more involved.

If you want to call that blaming Obama for Belgium terrorism, interprete it as you want.

It was Ish who was blaming USA for belgium terrorism.

But I am saying, USA is not responsible for any terrorism in Europe.

That's not blaming obama.

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RE: Brussels, Belgium - 3/27/2016 5:58:08 AM

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When terrorism happens in Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, China, nobody in the news in the west cares.

Er sorry to say, but that's not correct. Many domestic events in those countries are not reported, but terrorism attacks certainly is.
You find articles about such both in printed newspapers, teletext messages arrive in a short time after anything such happens, but it does not always make it into webbased newssites - who often target groups with special interests. Then again, those sites often in languages you wont read anyway.

And I had a look at the american site Newsdaily.com, one of their top items were 11 terrorists sentenced in Dubai when this was written (together with news from Myanmar, Mexico, Syria, Bangladesh and indeed Belgium).

So I don't agree the slightest about reporting of major events and not just act of terrorism. 20 years ago we only had BBC but news comes in many forms today and events in Asia get a lot of coverage nowadays.

Read that in context. When terrorist attack happen in Asia, it's not as widely reported in the west, and infact, even within Asia. Ish was suggesting that ISIS is now mainly focus on the west, but the reality is, they are focus on world domination.

They are concurrently planning attacks in all the major countries, regardless western or eastern.

It only feels that western nation are more targeted because they get more news coverage. That's what I am saying. But Asia has constantly been battling these terrorist attacks by Muslim terrorists all the time, just like in the middle east too.

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RE: Brussels, Belgium - 3/27/2016 6:10:35 AM

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They are taking it out on Europe because since Obama took Presidential Ship, he kinda made US, take a huge step back away from being the leader for the battle against ISIS. He wanted to stay out of it and let Europe get more involved and take more of a leadership position in this fight against terrorism. Obama wanted US to stop being the sole responsible nation to take care of this fight against Terrorists.

THis is what you said, and yes, you are blaming obama...
and ignoring what bush did with the middle east POST 9/11

Your ignorance is staggering.

BY the way, yes terrorist attacks do get into the media, maybe not american media.
No body has mentioned the 28 people killed in a suicide attack in iraq at a soccer game, the day before yesterday
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/baghdad-suicide-attack-killed-in-iraqi-capital-a6952496.html

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RE: Brussels, Belgium - 3/27/2016 6:16:32 AM

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When terrorism happens in Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, China, nobody in the news in the west cares. But no, they aren't just targeting the West.

Don't forget Turkey. I'm pretty sure it's not considered part of the west either.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/europe/2016/03/21/new-bomb-attack-paralyzes-life-turkey/82064738/

posted on page one but I didnt link it, thank you for the link.

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