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Politesub53 -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 5:11:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


Go fuck yourself thompson. I've already posted I'm perfectly fine with denying entry to anyone from the middleast. Race, creed, color, sex. I really don't give a fuck.

Most are illiterate. They don't have the surivival skills - literacy, english, computer skills. They didn't choose to come here they are seeking to escape a war.
So while I completely support setting up refugee camps in turkey, jordan syria, there is no suggestion that its a good policy to bring them here.

Humanitarian aid does not HAVE to mean stupidity.


More racist bollocks eh dawgie.




mnottertail -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 5:14:16 PM)

And ishy, you are bound and determined to misconceive every point I make, We have a guy here Ted Cruz, if elected president, he is gonna do just that try to patrol our muslim enclaves and make little arbieten machten frie camps here for them, our problem is that we have 12.5 million muslims, some of whom are veterans, cops, and the like.

Some of this is dripping sarcasm, but since you got my point (you said) in the first place, why are you arguing your nobody cares asswipe of a powerless kings role in the English language?

Why are they attacking places in belgium when they should want to attack us? And fuck nato, that shit has been shown to be paper since before it was even thought of.





kdsub -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 5:14:44 PM)

Check this out.

Butch




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 5:17:33 PM)

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Cabbage aint confirmed

No actually, she isn't.




mnottertail -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 5:17:52 PM)

Ibic that Butch. 99.9% of the 9/11 guys were Saudi. I get it, seems like some high powered generals should, that was our intial and continuing mistake. Insorar as europe we got 50 and some territories and we look at these people, in europe not so easy and not so paranoid.







Politesub53 -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 5:18:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: crazyml


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


Belgium (and France and Turkey and Germany and ...) is a prime example of how well the Kumbai Yah European Socialism works in the real world.


I have a feeling you're not making reference to their VASTLY superior health systems when you make this comment.


Which exists only in liberals minds.





Got your head in the sand again eh ? I doubt you ever saw the figures on world healt, from a US organisation......... nah thought not.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 5:20:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

It doesnt explain the ghetto where they operate autonomously and kill at will.



LOL. They kill at will in European migrant districts?

I don't even know what to say to something so detached from reality.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Why dont Belgians attack america because their muslims attack you?



It would be against our values to do so.
We wouldn't go and attack countries unprovoked, even if we had America's military power.

Unlike America and Muslim nations, it's not something we condone doing.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I ask again, how is it that muslims are attacking Belgiu m, not America, not Israel, that seems to be where their problems lie.



Muslims aren't attacking America? That's news to me. Last I heard ya'll were pretty damn upset that they do attack America.

And like I said before:
Ya'll have stirred up the hornets nest waging war on half the world for generations, and now you've sacrificed your own freedoms and your own constitution to allow the government to lock the country down tight by enabling them to lock anybody they don't like without due cause, so it's much easier to take it out on Europe (considering that in the eyes of Muslims, 'the West' ie Europe and the US are all the same thing anyways).

Terrorists are lazy and cowardly fuckers. They're mad at 'the West' and they know they can get arrested here for having the wrong color, so they take it out on Europe instead, where freedom still means enough so that they're not harassed until after they actually do something wrong.

It sucks for us, we know. We're still not wiling to sacrifice our freedom over it and start 'monitoring' innocent citizens.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 5:20:56 PM)

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I am pretty sure they went to war for the profits of haliburton.

On your behalf.




Politesub53 -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 5:27:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

What is shocking the Brussels police, however, is the scale of Abdeslam’s network and its capacity to help him avoid capture for so long in a city that authorities were scouring for him. On the night of the Paris attacks, Abdeslam crossed the border into Belgium with the help of a friend. Although his name was flagged as a person of interest, the border guards’ system had not yet been updated with the information that he was one of the suspects. From there, it’s presumed that he returned home to Brussels, where he continued planning more attacks.

How is it that in a prosperous European country there can be enough support within the Muslim community for a man who had pledged his allegiance to ISIS?
In the months before the Paris attacks, he and the Syrian fighters with whom he linked up were helped by Abdeslam’s family, childhood friends, and other petty criminals to remain concealed. In the months after the attacks, he was helped by what it seems is a massive network of “friendlies” who were willing to shelter, hide, and perhaps even work with him on the next terrorist plot. When Abdeslam was finally apprehended, he was living a few hundred yards from his family’s home—right under the nose of the police.

Here we come to the crux of the problem. How is it that in a prosperous European country there can be enough support within the Muslim community for a man who had pledged his allegiance to ISIS, has already successfully completed one terrorist attack and is planning others, to be protected and aided?

The answer is that this is a problem of Europe’s own creating—and it’s not going away. Beginning in the post-World War II era, Europe was in need of workers to pad its depleted work force. A natural place to look was North Africa, in former colonies of Spain and France. While it was assumed that migration would be short-term, the reality is that the men who came to work stayed, and later brought over their families. Europe made no plan for how to house and assimilate these families (see Christopher Caldwell’s excellent book, “Reflections on the Revolution in Europe,” for an in-depth discussion of this topic).

More to the point, Europe was uncomfortable asking its Muslim communities to assimilate. European leaders felt that would be too reminiscent of the colonial era. Their guilt and newfound “enlightenment” guided them to leave these people to their communities, culture, and religion. At the same time, however, they also ostracized them. What resulted was tight-knit majority-Muslim enclaves often on the outskirts of major European cities (like Saint Denis on the outer edge of Paris, where one of the Paris attackers was found).

They are loyal, at best, to the local Muslim community with whom they share a sense of solidarity, or in its worst manifestations, to ISIS and its global sense of destiny.
These communities are volatile places that are not dissimilar, in some ways, to certain American inner cities. They remain close-knit via shared language, Arabic, shared religion, Islam, and a continued influx of immigration from their countries of origin. This is no longer just family reunification. It is common, for example, for second- and third-generation North African immigrants to look to their ancestral home for a spouse. This is most common among men. They want a woman uncorrupted by European values. These marriage practices keep a continuous supply of first-generation mothers having second-generation children.

These problems have now come home to roost. Europe has on its hands millions of Muslims, many of whom, although certainly not all, identify first as Muslims and second as Europeans. They are loyal, at best, to the local Muslim community with whom they share a sense of solidarity, or in its worst manifestations, to ISIS and its global sense of destiny. This manifests itself in its most extreme in attacking the great evil that is the West—even if it has been their home for their entire life. But, as has played out in the last few months, it is also manifesting itself in a large community of people willing to aid and abet terrorist networks in Europe.

What makes this situation so unique, and so dangerous, is the cooperation of foreign and domestic operatives. Syrian fighters, who, according to the Belgian Justice Minister Koen Geens, are coming over “constantly,” are wholly unfamiliar with Europe. But because they are plugged into a network of people who are not themselves terrorists but have little allegiance to Europe and have all the necessary local knowledge, the would-be terrorists can easily move undetected and successfully execute their attacks.

This latest attack in Brussels would not have been possible without this network of native-born, disaffected Muslims. For that, Europe has no one to blame but itself.


I wont get into the bollocks you have posted except for two pertinent points.

1) It wasnt Abdesalems network, it was that of his friend Abdel Abaaoud, the master mind behind the attacks.

2) Abaaoud was caught when his whereabouts were given to the authorities by a Muslim.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 5:30:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

since you got my point (you said) in the first place, why are you arguing your nobody cares asswipe of a powerless kings role in the English language?



I'm not arguing about it (as there's no argument, I'm just pointing out facts).
The reason I pointed it out is because what you said was factually incorrect, and you were implying that Belgium having a monarchy which rules over parliament somehow bears a connection to the attacks.

I assumed that you were misinformed, and so tried to correct you, at which you tried to turn the facts I presented into an argument by claiming that they're wrong.

Nice attempt at a dig btw, by addressing me at an old slave name (suddenly no longer capped either, now that you completely disagree with me).
I remember you maintaining higher standards in debate back in the day. I'm sorry to see this place has worn you down.




Politesub53 -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 5:34:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Check this out.

Butch



Try a link thats up to date, not one written in the heat of the moment..... After all, you wouldnt read last Novembers weather to so what the weekend is going to be like, would you (Tries not to snigger) [8|]




mnottertail -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 5:41:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

It doesnt explain the ghetto where they operate autonomously and kill at will.



LOL. They kill at will in European migrant districts?

I don't even know what to say to something so detached from reality.

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Why dont Belgians attack america because their muslims attack you?



It would be against our values to do so.
We wouldn't go and attack countries unprovoked, even if we had America's military power.

Unlike America and Muslim nations, it's not something we condone doing.

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I ask again, how is it that muslims are attacking Belgiu m, not America, not Israel, that seems to be where their problems lie.



Muslims aren't attacking America? That's news to me. Last I heard ya'll were pretty damn upset that they do attack America.

And like I said before:
Ya'll have stirred up the hornets nest waging war on half the world for generations, and now you've sacrificed your own freedoms and your own constitution to allow the government to lock the country down tight by enabling them to lock anybody they don't like without due cause, so it's much easier to take it out on Europe (considering that in the eyes of Muslims, 'the West' IE Europe and the US are all the same thing anyways).

Terrorists are lazy and cowardly fuckers. They're mad at 'the West' and they know they can get arrested here for having the wrong color, so they take it out on Europe instead, where freedom still means enough so that they're not harassed until after they actually do something wrong.

It sucks for us, we know. We're still not wiling to sacrifice our freedom over it and start 'monitoring' innocent citizens.

I dont know where you sucked up that they kill in european migrant districts at will horseshit, probably your lack of understanding of the English Language or any socio-political thought....

Why are they attacking in France and Belgium and so on and so forth. Simple question Uh. They may be the wrong color. And I am only going to tell you this one time, I ain't y'all. I understand that we all brought this on ourselves to some degree, but I asked you a question and obviously you are not equipped to understand it or speak with any knowledge upon it. So, you got fucking freedom. What fucking asswipe. Nobody is monitoring innocent citizens as you try your smear here more than they are in Nato headquarters so you can pull in your emotional shit now. So, they dont attack Trinidad and Tobago, which I think has a great deal of freedom, nor do they attack Denmark which aint really too bad, nor Israel their sworn enemy but some bullshit little shitstain like Belgium which does not affect America whatsoever, now why is that? See, kiddo, nobody here much knows who Ulrike Meinhof or Andreas Bader was. Nor even as much as Claude Dallas, how many people in America do you think has ever heard of Belgium or thought of it more than do they have enough toiletpaper for the weekend, and when the next election numbers come in and Trump says something stupid as he always will remember you? Oh we 'stand by you'. So war is an extension of politics by other means; war is of great interest to the state, and yadda yadda blah blah blah............. the shit here plainly dont wash.




Politesub53 -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 5:42:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Ibic that Butch. 99.9% of the 9/11 guys were Saudi. I get it, seems like some high powered generals should, that was our intial and continuing mistake. Insorar as europe we got 50 and some territories and we look at these people, in europe not so easy and not so paranoid.



We have a guy convicted here today of planning a terror attack, who is the son of a Saudi Ambassador, still, at least he wasnt a refugee...




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 5:45:26 PM)

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I dont know where you sucked up that they kill in european migrant districts at will horseshit

Right here: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4893365
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It doesnt explain the ghetto where they operate autonomously and kill at will.




PeonForHer -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 5:47:59 PM)

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2) Abaaoud was caught when his whereabouts were given to the authorities by a Muslim.


That *cannot* have happened, PS. All Muslims are the same and all support Islamic terrorists, even if they aren't actually terrorists themselves. Several people here have said that this is how it all works and that they've *always* believed it, *very, very firmly*, so they must be right.





kdsub -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 5:48:20 PM)

Then THIS snicker snicker




mnottertail -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 5:57:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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Cabbage aint confirmed

No actually, she isn't.

A rose by any other name. Of course she is you just wrap it in a different line of asswipe.




mnottertail -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 6:02:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


Go fuck yourself thompson. I've already posted I'm perfectly fine with denying entry to anyone from the middleast. Race, creed, color, sex. I really don't give a fuck.

Most are illiterate. They don't have the surivival skills - literacy, english, computer skills. They didn't choose to come here they are seeking to escape a war.
So while I completely support setting up refugee camps in turkey, jordan syria, there is no suggestion that its a good policy to bring them here.

Humanitarian aid does not HAVE to mean stupidity.


More racist bollocks eh dawgie.


And the sort of unconstitutional innumerate nutsucker we have been seeing that are now taking over the republican party.




mnottertail -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 6:14:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Ibic that Butch. 99.9% of the 9/11 guys were Saudi. I get it, seems like some high powered generals should, that was our intial and continuing mistake. Insorar as europe we got 50 and some territories and we look at these people, in europe not so easy and not so paranoid.



We have a guy convicted here today of planning a terror attack, who is the son of a Saudi Ambassador, still, at least he wasnt a refugee...


I know you are the Oxford English Dictionary definition of a Tory....snatch milk from a child for a pence, and tax a mothers breast for a tuppence.....But dont most of these camel jockeys trade warm shit in their markets with the occasional white robed black banded prince telling them where bears shit in the buckwheat, and jetting off to Bon Su Mer, while these guys boil up an onion for dinner?

I cant in my bloodiest night of nightmares conceive of why anyone would get away from that.




mnottertail -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 6:16:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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I dont know where you sucked up that they kill in european migrant districts at will horseshit

Right here: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4893365
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It doesnt explain the ghetto where they operate autonomously and kill at will.


Yeah, and not what she said, even though neither of you would get a dripping sarcasm if it was on the working end of a tampon.




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