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UllrsIshtar -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 6:21:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, and not what she said, even though neither of you would get a dripping sarcasm if it was on the working end of a tampon.


You may have at it. I'm done.

Although Ron -and I say this without a hint of the sarcasm you apparently now like to utilize so much- I am genuinely very sorry to see that you have become this. I always will continue to remember the days where you actually debated, instead of stringing useless insults together, fondly. You had some incredibly insightful stuff to say back then.





mnottertail -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 6:32:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, and not what she said, even though neither of you would get a dripping sarcasm if it was on the working end of a tampon.


You may have at it. I'm done.

Although Ron -and I say this without a hint of the sarcasm you apparently now like to utilize so much- I am genuinely very sorry to see that you have become this. I always will continue to remember the days where you actually debated, instead of stringing useless insults together, fondly. You had some incredibly insightful stuff to say back then.



And still without rancor or prevarication. Why attack Belgium? Why not America, why not Israel? Insofar as I know in terms of the muslim christian whatever the fuck it is conflict you are a nobody, insofar as America is concerned you are a nobody. They can attack the shit out of you America will tsk, tsk, tsk in the papers and you better by god belive 'stand by you in your moment of horror', but get fuckin real. They didn't know your government or your system until we talked. And they still dont give a fuck. So why attack you? America could give the glimmer of a fuck less. Better than watching the debates. thats all. there is no debate here until we understand why they would fuck with a nobody on the world stage, it cant be because they are hoping to catch americas attention, cuz they wont and havent. I know that you guys have better schools and understand realpolitik. This is no more interesting to America if thats what this is about than who the fuck Filip or Leopold is, we just dont give a fuck. So------------------WHY? One assumes those folks have a ideal, a goal, a premise..........




thompsonx -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 6:45:41 PM)


ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

I am pretty sure they went to war for the profits of haliburton.


On your behalf.

I own no stock in haliburton...No one in the government ask my opinion or aproval.






ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 6:46:44 PM)

Not relevant




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 6:48:14 PM)

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Yeah, and not what she said

Yeah, it's what you said and what she responded too.




mnottertail -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 6:49:40 PM)

Nope, but thanks for playing, be careful of anthrax on the end of your tampon. We worry you know.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 6:50:08 PM)

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instead of stringing useless insults together

Really. I don't know why I bother responding to him at all, he's just an incoherent troll.




thompsonx -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 6:50:53 PM)


ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Not relevant

It is relevant because I got phoque all out of that clusterphoque...no not even the bill. So please do not tell me that it was on my behalf.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 6:52:25 PM)

OK dearie, whatever you say




thompsonx -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 6:52:59 PM)


ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Really. I don't know why I bother responding to him at all, he's just an incoherent troll.

He is quite coherent whether one agrees with his position or not.




thompsonx -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 6:54:57 PM)


ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

OK dearie, whatever you say


Thank you. Your approbation is quite important to me.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 6:56:39 PM)

Insightful! Witty!




Marini -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 7:59:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Belgium has a strong monarchy over parliament.



And not that it's relevant to the thread, but just because uninformed statements like that presented as fact piss me off:

Belgium doesn't even have a King.

As defined by the constitution, the King is King of the Belgians, not the King of Belgium.
In order words, he's a direct representative of the people, and for the people. His duty is to his subjects, not to the land, and he's got no claim or duty to the country itself. The sovereignty of Belgium as a country belongs to it's people, not to the King.

A Belgian monarch ascends the throne, only after swearing to the Constitution to the two houses of parliament. Considering that it's a popular monarchy -unlike any other currently in existence- the constitution allows for the Belgians, by means of elected government representation, to reject the King, and to refuse him the throne.

It's a distinction that's extremely important, both to Belgians, as well as the Royal family themselves (and they have historically always taken that distinction extremely serious).

As the representative of the people, it is the King's is bound by the Constitution more so than any other citizen, and it's his duty to act as the arbiter of the Belgians collective common conscious against the government, and to see that the will of the people is upheld by the government. He does this by signing laws into effect, after he's ethically decided that the law is indeed the will of the people, and is duty bound to refuse to sign laws he considers against his people's desires. At the same time, the King cannot make law, he can only approve it or reject it.

The only point in our short history (Belgium is a considerably younger country than the US) where it's ever been an issue is when the government asked the King to sign the abortion law into effect in 1990, which the King, as a private person and a devout Catholic could no ethically condone, while as an official representative of the people could not refuse because it was what the people wanted. Considering that he's constitutionally bound to place the interest of the Belgians above his own, he had no choice put to support the law, even though he personally rejected it.

The whole matter was solved by the King declaring himself "unable to rule" for a period of time, which is a provision made in case he's ill, or otherwise unable to fulfill his duty, at which point the Prime Minister signed the law into effect.

A monarchy over parliament? The King of the Belgians does not even stand in the way of the democratic desire of the people he serves when the will of the people demands of him to breach his own more core personal ethical and religious believes.



Thank you so much for giving so much historical information about BELGIUM.
Hard to believe your homeland is younger than the states.
I have always said you can learn and gain valuable insight, when you try to focus on what makes sense and is thoughtful.
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Marini -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 8:32:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


Go fuck yourself thompson. I've already posted I'm perfectly fine with denying entry to anyone from the middleast. Race, creed, color, sex. I really don't give a fuck.

Most are illiterate. They don't have the surivival skills - literacy, english, computer skills. They didn't choose to come here they are seeking to escape a war.
So while I completely support setting up refugee camps in turkey, jordan syria, there is no suggestion that its a good policy to bring them here.

Humanitarian aid does not HAVE to mean stupidity.


More racist bollocks eh dawgie.


I am not saying I agree with Phy, but I don't see anything racist in that particular statement.
He gave his opinion of what "he feels" is the background of many of the refugees.
Maybe most of them are rocket scientists, maybe they are mainly illiterate, I have no idea.
I don't want waves of refugees coming here right now.
Why can't we say this without being called racist?
I don't think we need hoards of people coming here from any country right now.
We are getting to the point that to have a different opinion these days, seems to be a problem.
Maybe soon we can do away with free speech, or having an opinion.






Marini -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 8:39:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, and not what she said, even though neither of you would get a dripping sarcasm if it was on the working end of a tampon.


You may have at it. I'm done.

Although Ron -and I say this without a hint of the sarcasm you apparently now like to utilize so much- I am genuinely very sorry to see that you have become this. I always will continue to remember the days where you actually debated, instead of stringing useless insults together, fondly. You had some incredibly insightful stuff to say back then.


Wow, what a thoughtful response in the face of a deteriorating conversation.
This is a great example of taking the high road with style.
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Marini -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 9:09:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Insightful! Witty!


lol - Dizzy wins
When facing verbal insults from certain people, she does not give a damn




thompsonx -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/24/2016 7:26:13 AM)

ORIGINAL: Marini

I am not saying I agree with Phy, but I don't see anything racist in that particular statement.
He gave his opinion of what "he feels" is the background of many of the refugees.


He voiced his ignorant and unsubstantiated opinion.

Maybe most of them are rocket scientists, maybe they are mainly illiterate, I have no idea.
I don't want waves of refugees coming here right now.


We have accepted 400,000 "refugees" from cuba for no other reason than to poke our thumb in castro's eye but to accept a single digit fraction of that number for humanitarian reasons is not doable?






mnottertail -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/24/2016 7:40:52 AM)

And still, no answers.

Why Belgium why not the US and Israel?

But now we know the king of belgium is kind of but not really elected. Buit he is special anyway. And let me insure that everyone understands, no people died because of how Belgiums king came to power.






teentie -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/24/2016 8:33:41 AM)

it is obviously terrible what happened.

but look back in history, the Belgians were ,,are a weak race, turncoats.

so the assholes of the world go there easily.

ps assholes for usa readers. otherwise arseholes. in u.k.




thompsonx -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/24/2016 8:53:14 AM)


ORIGINAL: teentie


but look back in history, the Belgians were ,,are a weak race, turncoats.

Belgians are a race? Who knew?




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