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mnottertail -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 3:19:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Phillipe was elected in what year? How did you vote? How many other guys ran for king that year? How long is he voted for? Or was he installed by parlimentary referendum (you know, he aint blind, crippled or crazy so good to go) in proforma fashion? He was sworn in by parliament in 2013. He was voted for by the Belgian people voting for political representatives who are either pro, or against the monarchy (among other political issues) in 2010. As per usual, the only party who is against the monarchy disastrously lost the election, and their representation in parliament voted against swearing him in, but lost the vote (I don't know by how many votes, and I don't feel like looking it up). OH, like that really makes a difference. You know that we dont have a lot of communists sitting in our legislatures. looking more and more and more like same old monarchy, constitution, parliament just like everywhere else.

PeonForHer -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 3:20:20 PM)
I haven't investigated this and it's not remotely my department but ... My bro, who is keen on English History of the Dark Ages, once told me that the 'king' as was, back then, was quite a different thing. Nobody wanted the job. No special privileges came with it; no extra wealth nor power - just lots of responsibilities, principally to organise armies amongst unwilling chieftans against foreign invaders. He really was the servant of the people, not the master of them.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 3:20:48 PM)
quote: OH, like that really makes a difference. Yeah it does. He is confirmed by parliament.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 3:21:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Phillipe was elected in what year? How did you vote? How many other guys ran for king that year? How long is he voted for? Or was he installed by parlimentary referendum (you know, he aint blind, crippled or crazy so good to go) in proforma fashion? He was sworn in by parliament in 2013. He was voted for by the Belgian people voting for political representatives who are either pro, or against the monarchy (among other political issues) in 2010. As per usual, the only party who is against the monarchy disastrously lost the election, and their representation in parliament voted against swearing him in, but lost the vote (I don't know by how many votes, and I don't feel like looking it up). OH, like that really makes a difference. You know that we dont have a lot of communists sitting in our legislatures. looking more and more and more like same old monarchy, constitution, parliament just like everywhere else. shrugs It makes it big difference when you ask Belgians, the King, and elected representatives of Belgium. As far as I know, we don't really give a shit that you think it doesn't. Belgians are not ruled by a King, and we most certainly do not have a 'King over parliament'. We are served by our King, for as long as we decide we like that (and it so happens that we do).

mnottertail -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 3:21:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer FR I don't care about the monarch. What I can't get over is Belgium being younger than the USA. I mean, Jesus, the USA was only founded two weeks ago last Tuesday. I know. Everybody is always surprised to find out that the US predates us by over 50 years. [:)] That I knew, plus more, and what essentially was the reason they broke from the Low Countries ....well, Netherlands to be specific I guess, what was the revolutionary beef there?

PeonForHer -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 3:33:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail That I knew, plus more, and what essentially was the reason they broke from the Low Countries ....well, Netherlands to be specific I guess, what was the revolutionary beef there? Fuck knows, Ron. Not my area at all, I'm afraid. To be honest, history turned me off, as a young kid. It seemed to be mostly about people being cruel to each other. I found it an ugly subject. I've only gained an interest as an adult - but I'm still way behind.

mnottertail -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 4:14:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: OH, like that really makes a difference. Yeah it does. He is confirmed by parliament. So are are lowest judges here. Lowest officers in the Military. Say that there was a fight between the retard Charles, and Billy, over who should be king, and it was drug thru the courts? Don't Parliament tell the King he can't marry a whore and that he is outta there and his brother the stutterer is the new boy on the toilet? Cabbage aint confirmed and consecrated? Kong Haakon wasn't? the days of bloody battles to be king are over. Yet the people and the pope must bless them. Even most bloody days, lets not make a big deal out of any of these fucking clowns. You dig diana up, she stinks like any worm ridden corpse.

mnottertail -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 4:18:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail That I knew, plus more, and what essentially was the reason they broke from the Low Countries ....well, Netherlands to be specific I guess, what was the revolutionary beef there? Fuck knows, Ron. Not my area at all, I'm afraid. To be honest, history turned me off, as a young kid. It seemed to be mostly about people being cruel to each other. I found it an ugly subject. I've only gained an interest as an adult - but I'm still way behind. The faces have changed and the ugly has changed, but the textbooks make flow'ry prose of it.

mnottertail -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 4:30:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Phillipe was elected in what year? How did you vote? How many other guys ran for king that year? How long is he voted for? Or was he installed by parlimentary referendum (you know, he aint blind, crippled or crazy so good to go) in proforma fashion? He was sworn in by parliament in 2013. He was voted for by the Belgian people voting for political representatives who are either pro, or against the monarchy (among other political issues) in 2010. As per usual, the only party who is against the monarchy disastrously lost the election, and their representation in parliament voted against swearing him in, but lost the vote (I don't know by how many votes, and I don't feel like looking it up). OH, like that really makes a difference. You know that we dont have a lot of communists sitting in our legislatures. looking more and more and more like same old monarchy, constitution, parliament just like everywhere else. shrugs It makes it big difference when you ask Belgians, the King, and elected representatives of Belgium. As far as I know, we don't really give a shit that you think it doesn't. Belgians are not ruled by a King, and we most certainly do not have a 'King over parliament'. We are served by our King, for as long as we decide we like that (and it so happens that we do). Ishy, I got that to death. I get it. I disagree with the stuff, but your history is yours. And we never have and never will give a shit about belgians, they are chocolate and beer, not much else. But now was it the fact that you are a rather sociodemocratic system that made for the bombings or was it the fact that your country does not take the tack of our constitution and supports religions and subsidizes them, how do you have (aside from the wars decimations, and the state beside state with different policy) how is it that you have these muslim enclaves, and allow them to be so..........(for lack of a better word), unregulated? Lets set the 'freedom' asswipe aside for a moment, Because here I can stand on any streetcorner and shout at the top of my lungs, Ronald Reagan was a cocksucker. I know that (ie) in germany even today, nobody would shout Helmut Kohl is a cocksucker without Krepo being right there with truncheons so, we can 'freedom' this and 'freedom' that back and forth, how are these muslim 'ghettos' allowed to occur and have such little oversight and be so closed in and of themselves and so accepting to the Belgians? (that isnt the exact question but I know no better way to frame it, because you don't get me, and didnt get me when I first raised it, your king is not important to this point.)

Politesub53 -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 4:37:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you miss out working class women and poor women in your .."lesson" Why is that? A complete lack of awareness, obviously. [;)]

PeonForHer -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 4:39:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The faces have changed and the ugly has changed, but the textbooks make flow'ry prose of it. I've always had this, Ron. I can handle any amount of nastiness - indeed, even love it and lap it up - so long as it's distanced - far away from me, my life and 'my reality now'. (I love horror films, for instance.) I wasn't able to think of English history, even that of hundreds of years ago, as 'distanced', when I was a kid. It just used to depress me. I can, now, though. Got used to the ugliness, basically.

Politesub53 -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 4:41:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire Politesub53 I do not follow him. I encounter him - on the odd thread. He will have his reasons and I am almost certain he does not need me to correct him with his facts, not your implied facts..I did want to correct the number 3. but I just left that...I have nothing else to his other words If he wishes to correct the stupid with the stupid on other threads - I believe he offers more than a fair trade. As for Op she states in this very thread Most of you love to chat, so let's chat. Christ . His post was bullshit for the most part, like all of them. There is nothing implied about that, nor about almost all of the positions presented in his post. Isis is not Al Queda, as he suggests. Isis isnt a tool of the US as he suggests. Christ indeed.

PeonForHer -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 4:41:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you miss out working class women and poor women in your .."lesson" Why is that? A complete lack of awareness, obviously. [;)] Awareness knows fuck all about feminism. Done and dusted elsewhere.

mnottertail -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 4:43:35 PM)
You walk into the barn everyday, the shit smell goes away. The wresting of power, however its facet is perceived, religion, wealth, political, emotional, physical, mental......its never a bank holiday in Brighton Beach. But it is what we think counts, and romanticize.

thompsonx -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 4:46:42 PM)
ORIGINAL: kdsub I don't think i would go quite so far as the speaker in your link... but...How can any thinking human honestly say Islam does NOT have a problem with violence and terrorism? How can any thinking human honestly say christiaity does not have a problem with violence and terrorism?

thompsonx -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 4:52:09 PM)
ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick And yet so many went to war on your behalf after 9/11. I am pretty sure they went to war for the profits of haliburton.

mnottertail -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 4:54:06 PM)
and it wasnt that many and it wasnt willingly.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 4:56:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail your king is not important to this point.) I got that from the start. The fact that Belgium is a monarchy is irrelevant to this issue. So considering that it's an irrelevant point, don't go spouting of nonsense about him being over parliament. The issue is complicated enough as it is, without adding to it with complete bullshit. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail But now was it the fact that you are a rather sociodemocratic system that made for the bombings or was it the fact that your country does not take the tack of our constitution and supports religions and subsidizes them Oh the reason why it happened was simple. America went to fuck with shit in the Middle East getting them all pissed off at the West, and then clamped up its borders, leaving us to deal with the mess, because now they're bombing us, when who they're really pissed at is ya'll. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail how is it that you have these muslim enclaves, and allow them to be so..........(for lack of a better word), unregulated? We have migrant enclaves for the exact same reason that every Western nation on Earth has migrant enclaves: people banned together in groups that are familiar to them. We have them for the same reason America has Jewish, Italian, and Mexican enclaves. The reason our migrant enclaves are pissy at us is because they're sick and tired of ya'll bombing their people back home. Unreasonable, I know, but whatcha gonna do about it? As to why we don't regulate them more: our constitution is for some weird reason rather hung up on this whole "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense, and so the government doesn't tend to fuck with its citizens without due cause. Even if it could spare innocent lives if the government could just preemptively fuck with everybody just to make sure. Belgians are -for some absurd reason- rather hung up on the idea that you don't trade in freedom for security, even if trading in your freedom might mean a little bit more general safety. We value the freedom guaranteed to us by our Constitution, and don't vote into effect 'patriotic' laws that give them up even if some people are unjustifiably -at least in our case- mad at us. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Because here I can stand on any streetcorner and shout at the top of my lungs, Ronald Reagan was a cocksucker. And I could tell Filip from Belgium, to his face that he's a asinine asswipe who has the IQ of a bonobo, should I feel like doing so... your point being? quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I know that (ie) in germany even today, nobody would shout Helmut Kohl is a cocksucker without Krepo being right there with truncheons so, That is utter and absolute nonsense. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail muslim 'ghettos' allowed to occur and have such little oversight and be so closed in and of themselves and so accepting to the Belgians? It's cause of this funny thing called 'freedom of meddling and persecution without due cause' guaranteed by our Constitution.

Politesub53 -> RE: Brussels Belgian (3/23/2016 4:57:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I am a realist... I seldom have my head in the clouds and sometimes the wisest path is not the most humane... but still the best. Not that long ago we had, on this board, a spirited discussion on refugees. Many here in the US were worried about terrorists embedded in the refugees and thought it wise to be more selective on who we allowed within our borders. We wanted to slow things down and be more careful in screening. I remember how this view was looked down upon by many outside the US. Conservatives, even though it was liberals as well, were accused of being less civilized than noble Europe. I wonder over the last year if this notion of American barbarism may be looked at in a new light? I would bet the people of France, Turkey, Belgium, and to some extent Germany are realizing we were right. There are no good or even humane answers to this tragedy… it will now just have to play out. Its too late to send them back. Butch And still you are wrong. The main perpetrators of the Paris and Brussels attackes were Belgian citizens, not refugees, not immigrants but the sons of immigrants. The perpetrators of the 7/7 attacks here in the UK were UK citizens. It seems to me your post was little more than an attempt to say "We told you so" In which case, you can go get fucked. Let me be perfectly clear, the majority of those involved in both the Paris and Brussels attacks were born in Europe and are all interconected as friends from childhood or early adulthoo. All Europeans know the risk of a few terrorists sneaking through, and many probably will, but the numbers are small compared to the numbers of refugees, so its a risk the majority of us are willing to take.

mnottertail -> RE: Brussels, Belgium (3/23/2016 5:10:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail your king is not important to this point.) I got that from the start. The fact that Belgium is a monarchy is irrelevant to this issue. So considering that it's an irrelevant point, don't go spouting of nonsense about him being over parliament. The issue is complicated enough as it is, without adding to it with complete bullshit. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail But now was it the fact that you are a rather sociodemocratic system that made for the bombings or was it the fact that your country does not take the tack of our constitution and supports religions and subsidizes them Oh the reason why it happened was simple. America went to fuck with shit in the Middle East getting them all pissed off at the West, and then clamped up its borders, leaving us to deal with the mess, because now they're bombing us, when who they're really pissed at is ya'll. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail how is it that you have these muslim enclaves, and allow them to be so..........(for lack of a better word), unregulated? We have migrant enclaves for the exact same reason that every Western nation on Earth has migrant enclaves: people banned together in groups that are familiar to them. We have them for the same reason America has Jewish, Italian, and Mexican enclaves. The reason our migrant enclaves are pissy at us is because they're sick and tired of ya'll bombing their people back home. Unreasonable, I know, but whatcha gonna do about it? As to why we don't regulate them more: our constitution is for some weird reason rather hung up on this whole "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense, and so the government doesn't tend to fuck with its citizens without due cause. Even if it could spare innocent lives if the government could just preemptively fuck with everybody just to make sure. Belgians are -for some absurd reason- rather hung up on the idea that you don't trade in freedom for security, even if trading in your freedom might mean a little bit more general safety. We value the freedom guaranteed to us by our Constitution, and don't vote into effect 'patriotic' laws that give them up even if some people are unjustifiably -at least in our case- mad at us. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Because here I can stand on any streetcorner and shout at the top of my lungs, Ronald Reagan was a cocksucker. And I could tell Filip from Belgium, to his face that he's a asinine asswipe who has the IQ of a bonobo, should I feel like doing so... your point being? quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I know that (ie) in germany even today, nobody would shout Helmut Kohl is a cocksucker without Krepo being right there with truncheons so, That is utter and absolute nonsense. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail muslim 'ghettos' allowed to occur and have such little oversight and be so closed in and of themselves and so accepting to the Belgians? It's cause of this funny thing called 'freedom of meddling and persecution without due cause' guaranteed by our Constitution. Patently fucking stupid, I am well aware of the reason for muslim unrest and the nutsuckers part in it It doesnt explain the ghetto where they operate autonomously and kill at will. Fucking america is not a melting pot it is a conglomeration of ghettos. Still, so the nobody belgians tell us that the reason they are attacked instead of us is because of us. because.......thats fuckin stupid. When all is said and done, I think that Belgium couldnt do shit about anything let alone if they were downtrodden by america, which they aint. They haven been able to find their own asses with two hands and a flashlight to date, and there is a hoplessness about their every doing so. Nevertheless, why is belgium being attacked by muslims? France? So they get back at America? Fucking asswipe is all that is, try to get an insight from the fucking people who might have one, and all you get is our king is so fucking wonderful and we elect him and we are fucking special, it is european nutsuckerism. That is all. Thats just fuckin stupid. Why dont Belgians attack america because their muslims attack you? it is just as stupid as the shit you are currently spouting. I ask again, how is it that muslims are attacking Belgiu m, not America, not Israel, that seems to be where their problems lie. I guess its impossible to get such an answer from the special nobodies in this world.

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