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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/1/2016 11:06:42 AM   
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You are living proof that Da Nile isn't just a river in Egypt.
In this case its been a pleasure handing you your ass on a antineoplaston platter


If handing someone their ass entails verbal vomiting a truck load of bullshit then yeah, you win. No reasonable person is going to take the time to read your incoherent novel. If you have a point, make the point, don't shovel crap at the people you're debating against. The onus is on you to back up your arguments and support them intelligently, not dump a load of shit in the hopes that the sheer amount of words deters the debaters. That's not winning, that's being so much of an idiot that continuing to debate you becomes pointless.

I read every word and saw the documentary. Everything RO has written here about the good Dr. B, is the truth, the FDA/Pharmaceuticals are only rivaled in their outright corruption, by the CIA.

And the FDA demonstrated that obvious corruption back in the 70's when [it] disavowed amygdalin when after it worked on cancer in two trials, pulled all the Drs. off both trials and lied through their teeth. Then not only refusing it for further testing but declared amygdalin to be prohibited as treatment in the US...for cancer. How can the FDA constitutionally prohibit an otherwise harmless naturally occurring substance for any reason ? Do you realize how many fruits and vegetables would be cut from your diet if amygdain was put on the controlled substances list, say...like heroin ?

AND, this is even after the FDA wrote in the memo refusing further testing of amygdalin, that "Now if the industry can provide a compound similar in [its] attributes. then we would be interested." Meaning, if the industry could create something in the laboratory, that is patentable, the FDA would go forward. We know why don't we ?

As I've told you kinkroids, everything but everything in America, is...ALL about money. It is therefore ILLEGAL to cure cancer. Yes, I repeat...IT IS ILLEGAL to cure cancer in the US. Every cancer patient is suppose to spend from $50,000 to $100,000 to the Cancer Industrial Complex and then die. As just as many cancer patients die today per 100,000 according to the WHO...as did in 1950 !! In fact more 194.4 now, 193.4 then.

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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/2/2016 8:39:09 AM   
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I read every word and saw the documentary. Everything RO has written here about the good Dr. B, is the truth, the FDA/Pharmaceuticals are only rivaled in their outright corruption, by the CIA.

And the FDA demonstrated that obvious corruption back in the 70's when [it] disavowed amygdalin when after it worked on cancer in two trials, pulled all the Drs. off both trials and lied through their teeth. Then not only refusing it for further testing but declared amygdalin to be prohibited as treatment in the US...for cancer. How can the FDA constitutionally prohibit an otherwise harmless naturally occurring substance for any reason ? Do you realize how many fruits and vegetables would be cut from your diet if amygdain was put on the controlled substances list, say...like heroin ?

AND, this is even after the FDA wrote in the memo refusing further testing of amygdalin, that "Now if the industry can provide a compound similar in [its] attributes. then we would be interested." Meaning, if the industry could create something in the laboratory, that is patentable, the FDA would go forward. We know why don't we ?

As I've told you kinkroids, everything but everything in America, is...ALL about money. It is therefore ILLEGAL to cure cancer. Yes, I repeat...IT IS ILLEGAL to cure cancer in the US. Every cancer patient is suppose to spend from $50,000 to $100,000 to the Cancer Industrial Complex and then die. As just as many cancer patients die today per 100,000 according to the WHO...as did in 1950 !! In fact more 194.4 now, 193.4 then.

I have not watched the documentary or looked at the research so I wont comment on if the good Dr is right or wrong or if I believe him/his research or not.. but I think its pretty rich to complain about Canada's health care system, calling it a "FAIL" when there is so much corruption due to greed in the US health care system.. not just this Dr's situation (assuming he is right) but all the other instances of greed allowed to go on in the US health care system.. from making patients take unnecessary tests, meds and surgeries to the trickery such as drive-by doctoring to insurance fraud to falsifying trials to up to 5000% increases in drug prices.. the list goes on.. I gotta admit, that's American ingenuity for ya.. always a new money-making scam invented tomorrow..

"Is your doctor lying to you? New study says it's likely
(AP) Do you trust your doctor? A survey finds that some doctors aren't always completely honest with their patients.
More than half admitted describing someone's prognosis in a way they knew was too rosy. Nearly 20 percent said they hadn't fully disclosed a medical mistake for fear of being sued. And 1 in 10 of those surveyed said they'd told a patient something that wasn't true in the past year."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-your-doctor-lying-to-you-new-study-says-its-likely/

"Doc Told Hundreds of Healthy People They Had Cancer
Dr. Farid Fata put hundreds of people through hell in order to line his own pockets, and now federal prosecutors are seeking to put the Detroit-area oncologist away for 175 years. Fata has admitted that he misdiagnosed patients — 553 of them, according to prosecutors — and ordered chemotherapy and other unnecessary treatments for patients who didn’t even have cancer, report NBC News, which says some 9,000 needless injections or infusions were allegedly given. "
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/doc-told-hundreds-of-healthy-people-they-had-123370855698.html

"Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
Corollary 1: The smaller the studies conducted in a scientific field, the less likely the research findings are to be true.
Corollary 2: The smaller the effect sizes in a scientific field, the less likely the research findings are to be true.
Corollary 3: The greater the number and the lesser the selection of tested relationships in a scientific field, the less likely the research findings are to be true.
Corollary 4: The greater the flexibility in designs, definitions, outcomes, and analytical modes in a scientific field, the less likely the research findings are to be true.
Corollary 5: The greater the financial and other interests and prejudices in a scientific field, the less likely the research findings are to be true.
Corollary 6: The hotter a scientific field (with more scientific teams involved), the less likely the research findings are to be true. "
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/

"Biggest Offender of Medical Research Misconduct in History?A recent case that involves a researcher at Duke University could go down in history as one of the biggest medical research frauds ever.
After five years of research, in 2010 it was discovered that oncological researcher, Dr. Anil Potti, had manipulated the data in a number of his widely distributed papers to prove a theory worked. Potti was considered by many as being at the forefront of ovarian cancer research. From the Huffington Post:
“Potti's work in individualized treatments for cancer was regarded as "the holy grail of cancer," Dr. Rob Califf, the vice chancellor of clinical research at Duke, said on a CBS 60 Minutes segment. "Personalized cancer treatments, if they work, could be a last hope for people whose bodies don't respond to the conventional treatments.”

According to CBNnews.com, Potti's "research was published in the most presigious medical journals. And more than a hundred desperately ill people invested their last hopes in Duke's innovation."
However, in 2010 it was discovered that Potti had falsified information about his education; saying that he was a Rhode Scholar. It turned out to be untrue. This triggered a further investigation into verification of his research, which turned out to be falsified.
To date, nine of Dr. Potti’s papers on individual cancer treatment and related topics have been retracted. The blog Retraction Watch reported that Duke has said about a third of Potti's 40 or so papers would be retracted, and another third would have portions retracted. Journals to retract his work include Nature Medicine, The Lancet Oncology, PLoS ONE and Blood.
The implications of these retracted papers go beyond data corrections; patients, some with only months to live, had already enrolled in clinical trials for treatments."
http://www.ithenticate.com/plagiarism-detection-blog/bid/78874/Biggest-Offender-of-Medical-Research-Misconduct-in-History

"Profiteering neurologist Harrison Mu charged man $117,000 for unnecessary surgical assistance
Drier was blindsided with an additional triple-digit bill
But as the bills came in, there was one that wasn't expected at all, and it was for just under $117,000. It seems that a neurosurgeon popped into the operating room without Peter's knowledge who was conveniently out of the network that provides reduced costs.
Dr. Harrison T. Mu was able to "legitimately" charge his full fee. Peter got that bill in addition to his others that were within limits for his insurer."
http://www.naturalnews.com/047218_profiteering_surgical_costs_medical_bills.html#

"Biggest healthcare frauds in 2015: Running list"
http://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/slideshow/biggest-healthcare-frauds-2015-running-list


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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/2/2016 9:56:24 AM   
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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/2/2016 11:12:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Canadian doctors were forced to pay back nearly $25 million in improper medical insurance billings from 2010 to 2013, according to data compiled by CBC News.

Health ministries often characterize the recovered money as billing or human errors, but Joel Alleyne of the Canadian Health Care Anti-fraud Association believes that some of the time another term applies — fraud.

"You will see a lot of investigations where somebody audits a claim and says, 'OK, you shouldn't have billed for this,' and the physician will say, 'OK, I'll pay that money back,'" said Alleyne, the association's executive director.

"Sometimes that happens rather quickly, leading one to ask how much was that billing error, or was someone caught with their hands in the cookie jar and deciding to fess up fairly quickly?"

Medical fraud, according to Alleyne, includes billing without seeing patients and billing for a more expensive service than what was performed.

Alleyne's organization is funded by private health insurers and the Ontario Ministry of Health.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/canadian-doctors-improper-insurance-billings-near-25m-1.2877135



seems nationalizing hc doesnt cure corruption

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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/2/2016 11:21:41 AM   
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Canadian doctors were forced to pay back nearly $25 million in improper medical insurance billings from 2010 to 2013, according to data compiled by CBC News.

Health ministries often characterize the recovered money as billing or human errors, but Joel Alleyne of the Canadian Health Care Anti-fraud Association believes that some of the time another term applies — fraud.

"You will see a lot of investigations where somebody audits a claim and says, 'OK, you shouldn't have billed for this,' and the physician will say, 'OK, I'll pay that money back,'" said Alleyne, the association's executive director.

"Sometimes that happens rather quickly, leading one to ask how much was that billing error, or was someone caught with their hands in the cookie jar and deciding to fess up fairly quickly?"

Medical fraud, according to Alleyne, includes billing without seeing patients and billing for a more expensive service than what was performed.

Alleyne's organization is funded by private health insurers and the Ontario Ministry of Health.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/canadian-doctors-improper-insurance-billings-near-25m-1.2877135



seems nationalizing hc doesnt cure corruption




no it doesnt
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7 fraud-related cases reported from 2009-13

Despite the millions of dollars recovered, Canada's provincial health ministries only reported seven cases where doctors were charged with fraud from 2009 to 2013. Six doctors were charged in Ontario and one in Alberta.

​"There's a cost in going after someone, either criminally or civilly, and there's a cost to prosecuting them," Alleyne explained.

Authorities don't want to go to the expense or bother of prosecution, he said, noting that provinces are often satisfied when the money is paid back.

Quebec's health ministry says the vast majority of the nearly $8.5 million recovered since 2010 was because of billing mistakes.

Newfoundland and Labrador characterizes the $366,000 it recovered as "fee schedule misinterpretation."

Manitoba Health also shied away from calling the money it recovered the result of fraudulent billing.

An email to CBC News earlier this year said $263,000 of the $747,858 recovered from doctors in Manitoba was the result of fraudulent billing, in the opinion of the province's Health Audit Department.

But last week, the department backtracked, saying the recovered money was "inappropriate billing practices or billing practices not in compliance with The Health Services Insurance Act." It later conceded that it used the term "fraudulent" in the "colloquial sense" of the word.

Often not the doctor's fault, says registrar

The College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba says billing matters are primarily the province's responsibility, but registrar Dr. Bill Pope maintained that improper billing is frequently not the doctor's fault.

"I believe an awful lot of those dollars are, in fact, situations where physicians did not realize that they were using a billing code that may have been higher than was appropriate for what they are doing," he said.

Dr. Bill Pope
Dr. Bill Pope, registrar of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba, says improper billing is frequently not the doctor's fault. (CBC)

Pope said the CPSM only gets involved when it's alerted to billing misconduct by Manitoba Health, or when it discovers problems during one it its investigations.

The college deals with one or two cases involving inappropriate billing per year, according to Pope.

CBC News discovered three cases of inappropriate billing in just two patient files in an I-Team investigation published this week.

Winnipeg doctor caught billing for patients he did not see
Five cases have been referred to the Winnipeg Police Service by Manitoba Health since 2010, but no charges have been laid against physicians.

Some of the cases involved physicians at Four Rivers Clinic in Winnipeg billing for patients that were seen by a nurse practitioner.

Winnipeg doctor suspended for questionable billing practices
"You have a better chance of getting away with white-collar crime in this country, including health-care fraud, than you would get away with criminal activity with a gun or knife at a convenience store," said Alleyne,

"People shouldn't just be slapped on the wrist for this."

Alleyne said all provinces are now taking the issue seriously, but he added that varying amounts are being spent on detection and prevention of medical fraud.

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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/2/2016 11:33:19 AM   
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Canadian doctors were forced to pay back nearly $25 million in improper medical insurance billings from 2010 to 2013, according to data compiled by CBC News.

Health ministries often characterize the recovered money as billing or human errors, but Joel Alleyne of the Canadian Health Care Anti-fraud Association believes that some of the time another term applies — fraud.

"You will see a lot of investigations where somebody audits a claim and says, 'OK, you shouldn't have billed for this,' and the physician will say, 'OK, I'll pay that money back,'" said Alleyne, the association's executive director.

"Sometimes that happens rather quickly, leading one to ask how much was that billing error, or was someone caught with their hands in the cookie jar and deciding to fess up fairly quickly?"

Medical fraud, according to Alleyne, includes billing without seeing patients and billing for a more expensive service than what was performed.

Alleyne's organization is funded by private health insurers and the Ontario Ministry of Health.



the proof of course is that they paid millions back

actually being charged with and convicted fraud is irrelevant since all they need do is quickly pay the money back

IF AND WHEN they ACTUALLY get BUSTED


You seem to miss the glaringly obvious points which proves of course that NO GUBMINT is capable of properly policing itself, nor does it want to when there is so much EXTORTION to be made!.

Dr. Bill Pope, registrar of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba, says improper billing is frequently not the doctor's fault. (CBC)

On the other hand:

Alleyne's organization is funded by private health insurers and the Ontario Ministry of Health.

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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/2/2016 11:42:23 AM   
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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/3/2016 3:27:46 AM   
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In Ontario at least they stopped the "overbilling for visits".several years ago....



If you believe that you are living in a fantasy world.

There are countless ways to pad a bill with unnecessary costs that appear to people as legitimate.

so your approach is its all ok now and nothing like that goes on anymore, at least in ontario

That bridge in florida is still available lucy

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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/3/2016 3:54:07 AM   
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varoomy is that all you are good for is uninformed drive by comments? I have already shown how ignorant that argument is in a previous post, unless of course you think that simply repeating error makes right.




Which argument? That you are confusing immigration policy with the cost of Health Care to individual Canadians? You certainly are, and repeating your error doesn't make it right.

Point taken on Polio though.

Oh... and Burzynski is a quack of titanic proportions.



No the one you arent capable of comprehending because you are too ignorant to understand that immigration is a gubmint agency.

That as retarded as saying america did didnt commit war crimes because they just hired blackwater. But then thats what I have come to see with brits pushing their extortionist RICO social programs.


http://www.cancer-therapy.org/CT/v5/B/PDF/42._Burzynski,_379-390.pdf


http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/EnforcementActivitiesbyFDA/WarningLettersandNoticeofViolationLetterstoPharmaceuticalCompanies/UCM326633.pdf

radiation and chemo:







compared to ANP:





What ever you so do, dont let the facts slow ya down!








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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/3/2016 4:45:22 AM   
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Canadian doctors were forced to pay back nearly $25 million in improper medical insurance billings from 2010 to 2013, according to data compiled by CBC News.

What percentage of the total billing for that time frame does this $25 million represent?

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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/3/2016 7:24:22 AM   
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In Ontario at least they stopped the "overbilling for visits".several years ago....



If you believe that you are living in a fantasy world.

There are countless ways to pad a bill with unnecessary costs that appear to people as legitimate.

so your approach is its all ok now and nothing like that goes on anymore, at least in ontario

That bridge in florida is still available lucy

They have cut down on it by needing to have ones health card swiped for each docs visit, each blood test every x ray, every ultrasound and every other test.
You dont have your card(photo card) you cant have your testing done.
I know this because I had to change my health card with a photo card this month. While needing an ultrasound and surgical consultation
If the card isnt physically accepted by OHIP at the time of any appointment/swipe. it isnt charged.
It has also cut down on doctors reporting office visits that never happened and also asking about a family member can no longer be used as a "visit".
How many times do I have to say that It is not perfect, however, changes to a lot of problems HAVE been made.

BY the way, we dont get billed, we dont even see the charging, or the prices charged by anyone, UNLESS you have a hospital bill for private care. Or charges for utilities, such as phone and TV use while in hospital bed.

We did have long waits for certain surgeries, those have been cut in half.
You wanna rail about the gubmint, when you dont even know what the system is here.
You havent handed anyone their ass on a platter, you just change subjects and goal posts, you are truly delusional.



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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/4/2016 7:40:41 AM   
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Canadian doctors were forced to pay back nearly $25 million in improper medical insurance billings from 2010 to 2013, according to data compiled by CBC News.

Health ministries often characterize the recovered money as billing or human errors, but Joel Alleyne of the Canadian Health Care Anti-fraud Association believes that some of the time another term applies — fraud.

"You will see a lot of investigations where somebody audits a claim and says, 'OK, you shouldn't have billed for this,' and the physician will say, 'OK, I'll pay that money back,'" said Alleyne, the association's executive director.

"Sometimes that happens rather quickly, leading one to ask how much was that billing error, or was someone caught with their hands in the cookie jar and deciding to fess up fairly quickly?"

Medical fraud, according to Alleyne, includes billing without seeing patients and billing for a more expensive service than what was performed.

Alleyne's organization is funded by private health insurers and the Ontario Ministry of Health.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/canadian-doctors-improper-insurance-billings-near-25m-1.2877135



seems nationalizing hc doesnt cure corruption

Each province controls its health care system, the examples you cited were from eastern Canada & as lucy said, they have changed how they do things there to tighten it up.. Also, the max doctors can bill for is set by each province so overcharges by using the wrong code are considerably less than overcharges in your system.. As i said before, Canada's health care system isnt perfect but its seems to be harder to game Canada's system than it is to game your US system, with many more of your show-me-the-money doctors gaming yours as par for the course and for a hellava lot more $$$$$.. You are trying to compare a zit (Canada's system) to a cancer tumor on steroids (US system).. lol.. Your system can bankrupt people and even cost them their lives when greed & horrendous overbilling depletes their health insurance limits (if they even have insurance).. with yours there is no "fix" to the rampant problems.. the worst thing is that y'all just sit there like lumps on logs accepting the abuse saying that's the way it is..

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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/4/2016 9:04:42 AM   
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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/4/2016 10:50:56 AM   
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In Ontario at least they stopped the "overbilling for visits".several years ago....



If you believe that you are living in a fantasy world.

There are countless ways to pad a bill with unnecessary costs that appear to people as legitimate.

so your approach is its all ok now and nothing like that goes on anymore, at least in ontario

That bridge in florida is still available lucy

They have cut down on it by needing to have ones health card swiped for each docs visit, each blood test every x ray, every ultrasound and every other test.
You dont have your card(photo card) you cant have your testing done.
I know this because I had to change my health card with a photo card this month. While needing an ultrasound and surgical consultation
If the card isnt physically accepted by OHIP at the time of any appointment/swipe. it isnt charged.
It has also cut down on doctors reporting office visits that never happened and also asking about a family member can no longer be used as a "visit".
How many times do I have to say that It is not perfect, however, changes to a lot of problems HAVE been made.

BY the way, we dont get billed, we dont even see the charging, or the prices charged by anyone, UNLESS you have a hospital bill for private care. Or charges for utilities, such as phone and TV use while in hospital bed.

We did have long waits for certain surgeries, those have been cut in half.
You wanna rail about the gubmint, when you dont even know what the system is here.
You havent handed anyone their ass on a platter, you just change subjects and goal posts, you are truly delusional.




So you need an ID for health services - to cut down on fraud - and thats ok.
But requiring one to vote, to cut down on fraud - and somehow thats not. Really?

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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/4/2016 11:10:02 AM   
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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/4/2016 11:11:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		i have never made an argument about votin ID. I have had photo ID since I came here. it never has been an issue, except, the shenanigans over supressing voting because of the rules, not in place and gerrymandering.

And the fraud is doctors, not patients
so once again, you are clueless, and attempting to put words in my mouth
badly.
stop it.

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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/4/2016 11:16:24 AM   
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So you need an ID for health services - to cut down on fraud - and thats ok.
But requiring one to vote, to cut down on fraud - and somehow thats not. Really?

Did you move to canada?

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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/4/2016 11:21:24 AM   
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seems nationalizing hc doesnt cure corruption

Your system can bankrupt people and even cost them their lives when greed & horrendous overbilling depletes their health insurance limits (if they even have insurance).. with yours there is no "fix" to the rampant problems.. the worst thing is that y'all just sit there like lumps on logs accepting the abuse saying that's the way it is..



Friend of mine's mom just died waiting for treatment in one of your socialized medicine paradises.

Lefties publish a lot of misleading studies, saying things like health care in canada is better because life expectancy is higher; canada is better because fewer people died of treatable heart disease etc. Canada is better because of higher % of vaccination.

These things do not measure efficacy of treatment. The US has higher incidence of low birthrate babies due to substance abuse, which affect infant mortality rates as well as life expectancy. High rates of accidental deaths (and suicides) lower the median age - but these do not measure the efficacy of care. US declines in vaccination rates are predominantly due to lefties optin gout of vaccination programs. The lowest rate of vaccinations are not poverty stricken areas in the US - they are afluent areas like silicon valley.

86% of women 50 to 69 have had a mammogram in the us - 73% of women.
For every major catalogue of cancer except ovarian, the detection and treatment of cancer is better in the US than Canada. Ie., life expectancy after treatment.

Canada has an "unmet needs" figure of 11%. The US is higher - at 14%. In canada over half that figure is caused by wait times for diagnostics or specialists.

If you go to hospitals here during the winter, or along the border most of the time- there are droves of canadians escaping your medical system.



http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA547ComparativeHealth.html
http://www.nber.org/bah/fall07/w13429.html
http://www.wired.com/2015/02/tech-companies-and-vaccines/
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27448970/colorado-kindergartners-have-lowest-measles-vaccination-rate
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/wealthy-la-schools-vaccination-rates-are-as-low-as-south-sudans/380252/


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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/4/2016 11:29:32 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		So, you are now big upping Obamacare which forbade limits?

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/


Seems like a rather nothing to compare.

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RE: National Health Care *FAIL* - 4/4/2016 1:00:45 PM   
thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
US declines in vaccination rates are predominantly due to lefties optin gout of vaccination programs. The lowest rate of vaccinations are not poverty stricken areas in the US - they are afluent areas like silicon valley.


This would be you lying again. None of your links say this. They say afflluent people are opting out not lefties.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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