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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
When you come to canada, under family,sponsorship, the sponsor has to guarantee that each family member is financially secure for a period of ten years, this is partially to stop immigrants from coming here and using welfare, benefits etc. Now healthcare is given to new immigrants after the initial period, of about 4 months. But any health issue questioned will lead to a hearing.
The prof has been here 3 years. He knew there might be a problem.
Every single one of us had to get a medical testing of various types before we were given the final ok.
Immigration here is a multiple pain in the arse.
I understand that york u faculty and staff are trying to find a way to work around it, but apparently his son has more than a few problems.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
When you come to canada, under family,sponsorship, the sponsor has to guarantee that each family member is financially secure for a period of ten years, this is partially to stop immigrants from coming here and using welfare, benefits etc. Now healthcare is given to new immigrants after the initial period, of about 4 months. But any health issue questioned will lead to a hearing.
The prof has been here 3 years. He knew there might be a problem.
Every single one of us had to get a medical testing of various types before we were given the final ok.
Immigration here is a multiple pain in the arse.
I understand that york u faculty and staff are trying to find a way to work around it, but apparently his son has more than a few problems.

How does Canada determine who is or who isn't "financially secure?" Other than healthcare, what social welfare benefits would this family be using?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDak8OKkYk


Published on Mar 25, 2016

Felipe Montoya is an upstanding citizen, a permanent resident, someone who pays his taxes and obeys the law, works as a professor at Toronto’s York University… yet, he and his family are at risk of deportation because, well, his 13-year-old sold has Down Syndrome.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada has old Montoya that his son’s condition makes him inadmissible to Canada because of the tax-burden his son would place on Canada’s health care system. Yet, this is the same government that welcomes refugees with open arms.
Because of the way Canada’s immigration laws work, when a family applies for residency but finds even one member ineligible, the whole family suffers as a result. Because Montoya’s son, Nicolas, has Down Syndrome, the whole family is at risk of being deported.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDak8OKkYk


Published on Mar 25, 2016

Felipe Montoya is an upstanding citizen, a permanent resident, someone who pays his taxes and obeys the law, works as a professor at Toronto’s York University… yet, he and his family are at risk of deportation because, well, his 13-year-old sold has Down Syndrome.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada has old Montoya that his son’s condition makes him inadmissible to Canada because of the tax-burden his son would place on Canada’s health care system. Yet, this is the same government that welcomes refugees with open arms.
Because of the way Canada’s immigration laws work, when a family applies for residency but finds even one member ineligible, the whole family suffers as a result. Because Montoya’s son, Nicolas, has Down Syndrome, the whole family is at risk of being deported.

This is a fairly standard procedure which most countries employ. However you're not making any actual point here, unless your point is to try and make ill-advised pot shots at socialised medicine.

I'll make things really clear. Socialised medicine, such as that employed in Canada and Australia produces far better outcomes for people than the hideous situation present in the USA. And strangely, despite the massively higher cost of all medicine in the USA, the only outcomes which the country excels at is outcomes for cancer.

For everything else, the USA sucks compared to other wealthy countries.

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Yeh I am making a point, the point is socialized health care is health care for the healthy.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDak8OKkYk


Published on Mar 25, 2016

Felipe Montoya is an upstanding citizen, a permanent resident, someone who pays his taxes and obeys the law, works as a professor at Toronto’s York University… yet, he and his family are at risk of deportation because, well, his 13-year-old sold has Down Syndrome.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada has old Montoya that his son’s condition makes him inadmissible to Canada because of the tax-burden his son would place on Canada’s health care system. Yet, this is the same government that welcomes refugees with open arms.
Because of the way Canada’s immigration laws work, when a family applies for residency but finds even one member ineligible, the whole family suffers as a result. Because Montoya’s son, Nicolas, has Down Syndrome, the whole family is at risk of being deported.

This is a fairly standard procedure which most countries employ. However you're not making any actual point here, unless your point is to try and make ill-advised pot shots at socialised medicine.

I'll make things really clear. Socialised medicine, such as that employed in Canada and Australia produces far better outcomes for people than the hideous situation present in the USA. And strangely, despite the massively higher cost of all medicine in the USA, the only outcomes which the country excels at is outcomes for cancer.

For everything else, the USA sucks compared to other wealthy countries.

Yeh I am making a point, the point is socialized health care is health care for the healthy.

ill-advised? Thank you for your ill-advise, but I have no need for it.

far better outcomes? cant you be more amibuous? try for 200%

what medical breakthroughs has canada made again? we have burzinski who the gubblemint restricted his cancer cure to texas and threw him in jail while they stole his patents.

seems your hc like ours is centered on money, provinding great health care for the healthy, while factoring in awesome profits for gubblemint and its employees.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDak8OKkYk


Published on Mar 25, 2016

Felipe Montoya is an upstanding citizen, a permanent resident, someone who pays his taxes and obeys the law, works as a professor at Toronto’s York University… yet, he and his family are at risk of deportation because, well, his 13-year-old sold has Down Syndrome.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada has old Montoya that his son’s condition makes him inadmissible to Canada because of the tax-burden his son would place on Canada’s health care system. Yet, this is the same government that welcomes refugees with open arms.
Because of the way Canada’s immigration laws work, when a family applies for residency but finds even one member ineligible, the whole family suffers as a result. Because Montoya’s son, Nicolas, has Down Syndrome, the whole family is at risk of being deported.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDak8OKkYk


Published on Mar 25, 2016

Felipe Montoya is an upstanding citizen, a permanent resident, someone who pays his taxes and obeys the law, works as a professor at Toronto’s York University… yet, he and his family are at risk of deportation because, well, his 13-year-old sold has Down Syndrome.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada has old Montoya that his son’s condition makes him inadmissible to Canada because of the tax-burden his son would place on Canada’s health care system. Yet, this is the same government that welcomes refugees with open arms.
Because of the way Canada’s immigration laws work, when a family applies for residency but finds even one member ineligible, the whole family suffers as a result. Because Montoya’s son, Nicolas, has Down Syndrome, the whole family is at risk of being deported.

This is a fairly standard procedure which most countries employ. However you're not making any actual point here, unless your point is to try and make ill-advised pot shots at socialised medicine.

I'll make things really clear. Socialised medicine, such as that employed in Canada and Australia produces far better outcomes for people than the hideous situation present in the USA. And strangely, despite the massively higher cost of all medicine in the USA, the only outcomes which the country excels at is outcomes for cancer.

For everything else, the USA sucks compared to other wealthy countries.

Yeh I am making a point, the point is socialized health care is health care for the healthy.

ill-advised? Thank you for your ill-advise, but I have no need for it.

far better outcomes? cant you be more amibuous? try for 200%

what medical breakthroughs has canada made again? we have burzinski who the gubblemint restricted his cancer cure to texas and threw him in jail while they stole his patents.

seems your hc like ours is centered on money, provinding great health care for the healthy, while factoring in awesome profits for gubblemint and its employees.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


Socialized healthcare is wonderful, when it works. The problem is, it doesn't scale well to large diverse populations. It works best in small countries, with homogeneous populations with the same culture and the same health habits.

The, larger, and more diverse the population is (and the more people who burden the system more than they contribute), the harder it is to maintain.


2 things seem common to the largest socialized systems:

1) Care is rationed. (No, not in the doomsday way Republicans say it is, but rationed all the same). Clinic visits, access to drugs, minor procedures, and even MAJOR procedures, if they are immediately needed to save a life are all just fine. However, major procedures, to mitigate non life-threatening issues, are limited in the number performed per year (i.e. rationed) (e.g. orthopedic surgery, which is medically necessary, but not life-threatening if it doesn't happen immediately)

2) Provider pay is significantly reduced. Doctors make significantly less than they do in the U.S., and so do nurses.
3) Obviously higher taxes


If we truly want quality, sustainable, socialized healthcare in this country... EVERYONE has to be committed.

Hospitals, physicians, nurses, taxpayers.

RealOne would say, reduced compensation would (and has) reduced innovation. He is, on this very rare occasion, correct. The government, then has to factor in the cost of innovation into the mix (to partner with Universities and private firms to innovate new procedures and products). More taxes, and cost-cutting.

On the upside. Socialized medicine DOES produce better medical outcomes overall, for far less cost.

We'd all have to take it in the shorts to make that happen in the U.S.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have a challenge for RO,
Please give me the name of a country that allows immigrants in with the various medical problems discussed, and that will pay for long term disabled immigrants medical care?