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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 3/31/2016 8:59:03 PM   
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Four steps to getting quality, affordable healthcare.

1) Promote Direct Primary Care - Subscription, for unlimited access to a PCP. No fee-for-service BS. Add a HD plan for Major Medical (doesn't even need to qualify for exchange)
2) Continue to develop ACO's. Either using payers a bookkeepers like Boeing did with BCBS Illinois, or bypassing them altogether. Basically a subscription for anyone participating. These are happening all over the country and will continue to do so.
3) Competition of payers across state lines - The ONLY intelligent phrase Ted Cruz has ever uttered (and I am sure someone told him to say it)
4) Let consumers, payers (private and government), buy their drugs from wherever gets them the best deal - And that includes Canada

No. Obamacare didn't screw up healthcare. It was wayyyyy broken by the insurance and drug lobby, and the major hospitals long before the Heritage Foundation came up with the idea.

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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/1/2016 6:15:01 AM   
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Thompsonx...... The insurance companies could only sell within the state they were in. I live in Texas and I am prohibited by law to go outside the state of Texas for insurance. It's been that way my entire lifetime.


You are more than a little unclear here. Do you want the federal government to overule the state's right to regulate commerce within their own boarders? Who created this law in texas. If it was not the republicrats do they not have the power to undo it now?


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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/10/2016 10:52:47 PM   
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Yet another wheel falling off the obamacare bus.. https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/unitedhealth-makes-good-threat-pull-215900019.html

United Healthcare - one of the largest insurers, is pulling out of obamacare after losing - well, tons of money.

But I think the most telling phrase of all was this:

quote:


About 12.7 million people enrolled in Obamacare this year, including about 587,800 in Georgia and 73,600 in Arkansas, according to government figures. U.S. uninsured rate fell nearly one percentage point to 11 percent during the first three months of this year. That marked the lowest uninsured rate in eight years, according to Gallup.


In other words - after spending oh, a trillion dollars - we are almost back to the rate of insurance before the last recession. Oh boy!



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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/11/2016 8:22:18 AM   
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Guess we will have to go to national single payer.

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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/11/2016 12:33:14 PM   
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And just exactly what did the GOP have to offer in terms of anything resembling a change to the screwed-up healthcare system in the US?

The ACA is far from great (barely even "good") but until Congress can get its head out of its collective ass and create some thing better we're pretty much stuck with it.

Whining about it at this point is like a 5yo throwing a tantrum.




I think the GOP was perfectly happy keeping government out of citizens lives in this regard. Why should they have offers anything. Oh, yes, they did have some measures like allowing people to buy insurance across state lines to increase market participation. As we see with Obamacare, one size does not fit anyone. So allowing choice for individuals would probably have worked much better.

However, your question assumes government control and authoritarian force. I would ask you to consider just the opposite. Enact a system that maximizes individual choice.

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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/11/2016 12:38:33 PM   
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Let the health insurance companies cross state lines and sell to anyone. The free market will allow people to find an affordable policy that they want without the government involved.

That is pretty much what we had before isn't it?



No. Specifically in your state of California for instance, the insurance commissioner determines what an insurance policy must include. If, say, there is a cheaper policy offered in Kansas that I'd like to buy for my insurance needs, I couldn't do so by State of California law.

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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/11/2016 12:49:45 PM   
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It would be interesting to know how the insurance market worked in pre-ACA California. Given its large population and area, it could be a handy microcosm.

Did competition drive down premiums? What portion of the populace had coverage?



In pre-ACA California the people's republic of California mandated insurance have most of the things that has made rates rise in other states under ACA. Our rates haven't been affected much. We've been paying those rates all along. So, I kinda laugh at all you guys in other states that wanted to jump into bed with us. In fact, I was always amazed when friends moved out of state and reported how little health insurance was compared to here. My company, before ACA, was paying $1,200 per month per employee premium. Now I see people whine about premiums going up to six or eight hundred dollars in other states. Just wait a bit, once all of the ACA subsidies to insurers go away, you'll be right up there with us. Of course, you are paying all of those subsidies. You're just not told you are so the ponzie scheme continues.

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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/19/2016 7:16:34 PM   
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So, we've bankrupted UHG? And after their CEO took home $66 million --- fuckin shame, hah?

Guess we will have to go to national single payer.



http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20150416/NEWS/304169977

Lies your insucance companies told you about Obamacare.

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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/19/2016 7:22:04 PM   
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And just exactly what did the GOP have to offer in terms of anything resembling a change to the screwed-up healthcare system in the US?

The ACA is far from great (barely even "good") but until Congress can get its head out of its collective ass and create some thing better we're pretty much stuck with it.

Whining about it at this point is like a 5yo throwing a tantrum.




I think the GOP was perfectly happy keeping government out of citizens lives in this regard. Why should they have offers anything. Oh, yes, they did have some measures like allowing people to buy insurance across state lines to increase market participation. As we see with Obamacare, one size does not fit anyone. So allowing choice for individuals would probably have worked much better.

However, your question assumes government control and authoritarian force. I would ask you to consider just the opposite. Enact a system that maximizes individual choice.

except they HAVE promised to replace it with something better, ever since 2008. Every time they tried to appeal it practically.
Even now they keep promising, but they have not had one platform, plan or idea that has stuck in seven years.
Individual choice for who?
surely not the poor, the disabled, the veterans????

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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/19/2016 7:23:26 PM   
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Let the health insurance companies cross state lines and sell to anyone. The free market will allow people to find an affordable policy that they want without the government involved.

That is pretty much what we had before isn't it?



No. Specifically in your state of California for instance, the insurance commissioner determines what an insurance policy must include.

Why is that a problem for you?


If, say, there is a cheaper policy offered in Kansas that I'd like to buy for my insurance needs, I couldn't do so by State of California law.

Why do you think there is an insurance comissioner?

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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/19/2016 7:38:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC

Let the health insurance companies cross state lines and sell to anyone. The free market will allow people to find an affordable policy that they want without the government involved.

That is pretty much what we had before isn't it?



No. Specifically in your state of California for instance, the insurance commissioner determines what an insurance policy must include. If, say, there is a cheaper policy offered in Kansas that I'd like to buy for my insurance needs, I couldn't do so by State of California law.

And in many state, like mine, they limit which companies can compete in the state, thus limiting compitetion.

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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/19/2016 7:40:50 PM   
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And in many state, like mine, they limit which companies can compete in the state, thus limiting compitetion.


Why do they do that?

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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/19/2016 9:56:58 PM   
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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/20/2016 3:33:33 AM   
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The states?

Why do the residents of a state hire an insurance commissioner?
I know and I am pretty sure you know but the halfwits sniviling about how it's such a bad thing couldn't have a clue


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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/20/2016 4:59:16 PM   
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Blue Cross Blue shield announces 3 billion dollars in losses under Obamacare.

People that enroll are 22% sicker than people that get their coverage through employer healthcare. They will either have to raise premiums significantly or exit Obamacare...

Oh and what was it that hillary said - oh yes - obamacare has crushing premiums...

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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/20/2016 5:04:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: AGuyNamedDave

And just exactly what did the GOP have to offer in terms of anything resembling a change to the screwed-up healthcare system in the US?

The ACA is far from great (barely even "good") but until Congress can get its head out of its collective ass and create some thing better we're pretty much stuck with it.

Whining about it at this point is like a 5yo throwing a tantrum.




I think the GOP was perfectly happy keeping government out of citizens lives in this regard. Why should they have offers anything. Oh, yes, they did have some measures like allowing people to buy insurance across state lines to increase market participation. As we see with Obamacare, one size does not fit anyone. So allowing choice for individuals would probably have worked much better.

However, your question assumes government control and authoritarian force. I would ask you to consider just the opposite. Enact a system that maximizes individual choice.

except they HAVE promised to replace it with something better, ever since 2008. Every time they tried to appeal it practically.
Even now they keep promising, but they have not had one platform, plan or idea that has stuck in seven years.
Individual choice for who?
surely not the poor, the disabled, the veterans????

While Harry Reid owned the Senate and Obama had veto power, what sense was there in the House passing legislation that struck down Obamacare. But, I see it's still a boogeyman for the left to say the congress is a do nothing congress. Get over it.

I haven't a problem in the world with this nation having a discussion about providing health care to poor, disabled or the veterans. In fact a couple of my pet peeves were when Clinton cut benefits to veterans. I believe whatever veterans were promised on the day the signed up they get until the day they die of old age. We do provide health care to poor and disabled already. The system for that didn't change with Obamacare, so your point misses.

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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/20/2016 5:10:16 PM   
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In pre-ACA California the people's republic of California mandated insurance have most of the things that has made rates rise in other states under ACA. Our rates haven't been affected much.


My rates have. Pre-ACA, our insurance was $377 a month for a good policy. Now, it's almost $1200 a month for the lowest plan - which sucks and has a $5000 per person deductible.


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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/20/2016 5:13:12 PM   
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And so another shoe drops.

Blue Cross Blue shield announces 3 billion dollars in losses under Obamacare.

People that enroll are 22% sicker than people that get their coverage through employer healthcare. They will either have to raise premiums significantly or exit Obamacare...

Oh and what was it that hillary said - oh yes - obamacare has crushing premiums...


National single payer, and sieze the insurance companies and sell them out.

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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/20/2016 5:14:17 PM   
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In pre-ACA California the people's republic of California mandated insurance have most of the things that has made rates rise in other states under ACA. Our rates haven't been affected much.


My rates have. Pre-ACA, our insurance was $377 a month for a good policy. Now, it's almost $1200 a month for the lowest plan - which sucks and has a $5000 per person deductible.


I understand. Pre-ACA in California, my company paid $1,100 per month per employee for health insurance. All Obamacare did was bring the rest of the country up to California costs. Which everyone with half a brain knew was going to happen even if Obama, Reid and Palosi were lying and saying otherwise.

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RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare - 4/20/2016 5:21:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yet they attempted it 60 times....i guess they were just to busy planning those to actually write a bill. Or actually do something for the people who voted them into congress. Yanno living people not lobbyists n corps.
Everything they ran on was repealing obamacare oh n jobs.
Meanwhile people are still sick and dying from lack of affordable healthcare, gouging insurance premiums with ceos taking home 50 or 60 million a year. And Going bankrupt over medical bills.

Im truly happy for people who can get care, the increase in sick people should be no surprise to anyone let alone bean counters. It shows that it is needed across the board.
How tiny minded they are.




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