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And just exactly what did the GOP have to offer in terms of anything resembling a change to the screwed-up healthcare system in the US?
The ACA is far from great (barely even "good") but until Congress can get its head out of its collective ass and create some thing better we're pretty much stuck with it.
Whining about it at this point is like a 5yo throwing a tantrum.
What did the GOP do? Make sure the insurance lobby was taken care of (and the drug lobby).
1. If you like your insurance, you i]can keep it. Meanwhile, publishing statistics that revealed that up to 80% of Americans will lose their health insruance.
This is pure nonsense. "Statistics revealed that up to 80% WILL lose their Health Insurance"????
Not sure how they are calculating and predicting that???? Plans come and plans go. They have before the ACA and during. It was incredibly stupid for Obama to promise that. Neither he, nor the ACA has the authority to force plans to exist or not exist. (Nor did he before the ACA). (And BTW: Even plans that don't qualify for the mandate are legally allowed to exist). The payers make these decisions.
Most of the Sean Hannity, doomsday stuff was thoroughly debunked
2. "health care premiums are @2600 cheaper."The president’s claim that job-based family coverage costs less than it would had he refrained from meddling with health care flunks the laugh test. Employer-based health insurance premiums have continued to rise unabated. And, as the Kaiser Family Foundation reports, “Since 2010, both the share of workers with deductibles and the size of those deductibles have increased sharply. These two trends together result in a 67 percent increase in deductibles since 2010.”
Another ill-advised comment. Not sure where he got that figure.
3. "health care price increases are slowing". According to a report produced by his own health care bureaucrats, the slowdown to which he refers began before the “reform” law was passed. In reality, Obamacare actually reversed the trend: “In 2014, U.S. health care spending increased 5.3 percent following growth of 2.9 percent in 2013 … The faster growth experienced in 2014 was primarily due to the major coverage expansions under the Affordable Care Act.
The rates are slowing, if you take the 50 year view :)
A quote from factcheck, which in turn, quotes Kaiser Family Foundation:
Most Americans — 48 percent of the population — have insurance through their workplaces. Employer-sponsored premiums for family plans went up 3.8 percent on average in 2013, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation’s annual employer health benefits survey. Since the ACA was passed in 2010, those premiums have gone up 5.9 percent on average per year, while in the five years before the ACA, premiums went up 4.8 percent on average per year. Not exactly “skyrocketing.”
Overall national health care spending is growing at historically low rates. President Obama has boasted that “health care costs overall are actually going up more slowly over the last three years than in the last 50,” which is true. From 2009 to 2012, the growth has been under 4 percent per year. Drew Altman, CEO of the Kaiser Family Foundation, wrote in September 2012 of the slow recent growth in both premiums and spending: “These are strikingly low numbers to those of us who have been studying health costs for a long time.”
4. "dramatic cuts to the rates of uninsured". In 2009 Obama pushed the idea of healthcare saying 30 million people don't have health insurance.
As of 2016, more than a trillion dollars has been spent, and 27 million people don't have health insurance.
Uninsured % has been about flat. It's true.
5. "Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortion". But in 2014, the GAO discovered 1,036 Obama care plans broke federal law by funding abortion.
I have seen a lot of plans in my day. I have never seen one that will cover an elective abortion. (Maybe to save the life of the mother?)
One good thing the ACA has done, has gotten providers and patients together, to come up with ways to bypass fee-for-service. Now we have ACO's, CIN's and Direct Primary Care. I remember watching Huckabee's show (yep I watched it a few times). He went on his usual Obama-bashing rant, and then had 2 providers on his show to ask them how they were impacted by ACA.
They both said, they had a program for Direct Primary Care. As soon, as one of them said, "and it satisfies the Obamacare mandate" Huckabee was at a loss for words. His whole premise was dead. It was hilarious watching him squirm through the rest of the interview.
Bottom line, we could have GOTTEN to the good thing above if Democrats and Republicans worked together on it.
Instead, we have the ACA, which is another in a long line of stupid Republican ideas.
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