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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: bounty44

its one reason why I enjoy contemporary country music so much (liberals tend to dislike it), the lyrics are interesting and they tend to tell stories I want to hear about and paint pictures I want to see.

If one plays that stuff backwards you will see that the guy will get his pick-up and his dawg back.

I wonder if you've ever gone back and listened to some of the pop protest songs of the 60s and early 70s?

Like "i'm an okie from muskogge"?
By a convicted felon druggie?
Chris Willman quotes Haggard naming his "top three assholes of all time": Hitler, Nixon and George W. Bush.
He liked raygun because raygun expunged his crimial record.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/why-okie-from-muskogee-was-merle-haggards-contradictory-masterpiece-20160407

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: bounty44

its one reason why I enjoy contemporary country music so much (liberals tend to dislike it), the lyrics are interesting and they tend to tell stories I want to hear about and paint pictures I want to see.

If one plays that stuff backwards you will see that the guy will get his pick-up and his dawg back.

I wonder if you've ever gone back and listened to some of the pop protest songs of the 60s and early 70s?

Like "i'm an okie from muskogge"?
By a convicted felon druggie?
Chris Willman quotes Haggard naming his "top three assholes of all time": Hitler, Nixon and George W. Bush.
He liked raygun because raygun expunged his crimial record.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/why-okie-from-muskogee-was-merle-haggards-contradictory-masterpiece-20160407

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

greta some of the purposes of art (in this case music) are consistent with what youre talking about. among having many other purposes, its a form of expression that can criticize life, bring one face to face with reality or as a pursuit towards an understanding of our common humanity.

its one reason why I enjoy contemporary country music so much (liberals tend to dislike it), the lyrics are interesting and they tend to tell stories I want to hear about and paint pictures I want to see.

I wonder if you've ever gone back and listened to some of the pop protest songs of the 60s and early 70s?

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A fascinating poll on the Norman Lear Center website about the musical tastes of conservatives and liberals...

Conservatives’ favorite music is classical (60%) followed by country (56%) and rock (55%).

Liberals, on the other hand, are more likely than other respondents to enjoy almost every music genre, including world, punk, Latin, hip-hop and rap, blues, reggae, electronica, R&B and soul, jazz, folk and traditional music. Rock was the most popular genre among liberals (67%). [note the absence of “country’']

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People’s musical preferences good indicators of their personality make up.

Now confident that people really do use musical preferences as indicators of personal qualities, Rentfrow and Gosling next sought to map out the dimensions of those preferences. They started by identifying different musical genres…

This process yielded 80 different musical genres, which were then divided into fourteen, with 66 subgenres. Using these genres and subgenres, Rentfrow and Gosling developed a questionnaire they called the “Short Test of Musical Preferences,” or STOMP, which they gave to participants along with several personality measures.

The STOMP results were fed into a factor analysis, which yielded four factors, or dimensions, of musical preferences. Rentfrow and Gosling labeled these dimensions “Reflective and Complex,” which included the genres blues, jazz, classical, and folk; “Intense and Rebellious,” which included rock, alternative, and heavy metal; “Upbeat and Conventional,” including country, sound tracks, religious, and pop; and “Energetic and Rhythmic,” including rap and hip/hop, soul and funk, as well as electronica and dance….

The results indicated that the different dimensions of musical preferences do in fact correlate with different personality features. Here’s a summary of the results (from pp. 1248-1249):

Upbeat and Conventional (country, soundtracks, religious and pop): positively correlated with extraversion, agreeableness, conscientiousness, self-esteem, political conservatism, physical attractiveness (self-perceived), wealth, and athleticism. Negatively correlated with…political liberalism

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(though this does have a bit of a condescension in its tone, its fairly true) In the car, I listen to country music. Country has an ideology. Not to say country has a position on abortion, exactly. But country music, taken as a whole, has a position on life, taken as a whole. Small towns. Dirt roads. Love at first sight. Hot-blooded kids havin’ a good ol’ time. Gettin’ hitched. America! Raisin’ up ruddy-cheeked scamps who you will surely one day worry are having too good a hot-blooded time. Showing up for Church. Venturing confused into the big wide world only to come back to Alabama forever since there ain’t a damn single thing out there in the Orient or Paris, France what compares to that spot by the river under the trembling willows where first you kissed the girl you’ve known in your heart since second grade is the only girl you would ever truly love. Fishin’! How grandpa, who fought in two wars, worked three jobs, raised four kids, and never once complained, can’t hardly wait to join grandma up in heaven, cuz life just ain’t no good without her delicious pies.

Wilkinson [the fellow quoted above]— who is, if you don’t know, a libertarian — points to other research showing that country music listeners tend to be culturally conservative. What’s the connection between the ideological stance of country music, as he describes it, and this psychology? Wilkinson cites that story about rural Washington, Okla., that I wrote about last week (“Sad Town Lacks Vibrancy”), in particular a quote from a local who says he wants to preserve the town as it is for his children. Here’s Wilkinson’s commentary on this:

“Country music is a bulwark against cultural change, a reminder that “what you see is what you get,” a means of keeping the charge of enchantment in “the little things” that make up the texture of the every day, and a way of literally broadcasting the emotional and cultural centrality of the conventional big-ticket experiences that make a life a life.”

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Country music married into the conservative movement...

making the first-ever presidential visit to the Grand Ole Opry, [president Nixon said]…"I wanted to take this opportunity on behalf of all the American people to thank country music for what it does to make America a better country," he said. "It talks about family. It talks about religion, the faith in God that is so important to our country ... Country music radiates a love of this nation. Country music, therefore, has those combinations which are so essential to America's character." That evening he also made an extraordinary claim about a music so closely identified with its Southern roots: "Country music also has a magnificent appeal all across the country. It comes from ... out here in Middle America."

And he was right. By 1970, over two-thirds of country record sales were made outside the South. What largely united listeners from coast to coast was a longing for a more simple, more stable, and more wholesome time than the present. While country's appeal had much to do with these values, however, overtly political songs were a tiny minority.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

hard to say exactly what your intent is there with that post in general, or with me in particular, until you get to the seemingly snide remarks of "noise" and more importantly "void of meaning"

in any event, more information concerning the quote you seem to be taking umbrage with:

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A fascinating poll on the Norman Lear Center website about the musical tastes of conservatives and liberals...

Conservatives’ favorite music is classical (60%) followed by country (56%) and rock (55%).

Liberals, on the other hand, are more likely than other respondents to enjoy almost every music genre, including world, punk, Latin, hip-hop and rap, blues, reggae, electronica, R&B and soul, jazz, folk and traditional music. Rock was the most popular genre among liberals (67%). [note the absence of “country’']

http://rogerbourland.com/2008/04/21/liberal-vs-conservative-listening-habits/

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People’s musical preferences good indicators of their personality make up.

Now confident that people really do use musical preferences as indicators of personal qualities, Rentfrow and Gosling next sought to map out the dimensions of those preferences. They started by identifying different musical genres…

This process yielded 80 different musical genres, which were then divided into fourteen, with 66 subgenres. Using these genres and subgenres, Rentfrow and Gosling developed a questionnaire they called the “Short Test of Musical Preferences,” or STOMP, which they gave to participants along with several personality measures.

The STOMP results were fed into a factor analysis, which yielded four factors, or dimensions, of musical preferences. Rentfrow and Gosling labeled these dimensions “Reflective and Complex,” which included the genres blues, jazz, classical, and folk; “Intense and Rebellious,” which included rock, alternative, and heavy metal; “Upbeat and Conventional,” including country, sound tracks, religious, and pop; and “Energetic and Rhythmic,” including rap and hip/hop, soul and funk, as well as electronica and dance….

The results indicated that the different dimensions of musical preferences do in fact correlate with different personality features. Here’s a summary of the results (from pp. 1248-1249):

Upbeat and Conventional (country, soundtracks, religious and pop): positively correlated with extraversion, agreeableness, conscientiousness, self-esteem, political conservatism, physical attractiveness (self-perceived), wealth, and athleticism. Negatively correlated with…political liberalism

http://scienceblogs.com/mixingmemory/2007/03/12/what-does-your-music-say-about-1/

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(though this does have a bit of a condescension in its tone, its fairly true) In the car, I listen to country music. Country has an ideology. Not to say country has a position on abortion, exactly. But country music, taken as a whole, has a position on life, taken as a whole. Small towns. Dirt roads. Love at first sight. Hot-blooded kids havin’ a good ol’ time. Gettin’ hitched. America! Raisin’ up ruddy-cheeked scamps who you will surely one day worry are having too good a hot-blooded time. Showing up for Church. Venturing confused into the big wide world only to come back to Alabama forever since there ain’t a damn single thing out there in the Orient or Paris, France what compares to that spot by the river under the trembling willows where first you kissed the girl you’ve known in your heart since second grade is the only girl you would ever truly love. Fishin’! How grandpa, who fought in two wars, worked three jobs, raised four kids, and never once complained, can’t hardly wait to join grandma up in heaven, cuz life just ain’t no good without her delicious pies.

Wilkinson [the fellow quoted above]— who is, if you don’t know, a libertarian — points to other research showing that country music listeners tend to be culturally conservative. What’s the connection between the ideological stance of country music, as he describes it, and this psychology? Wilkinson cites that story about rural Washington, Okla., that I wrote about last week (“Sad Town Lacks Vibrancy”), in particular a quote from a local who says he wants to preserve the town as it is for his children. Here’s Wilkinson’s commentary on this:

“Country music is a bulwark against cultural change, a reminder that “what you see is what you get,” a means of keeping the charge of enchantment in “the little things” that make up the texture of the every day, and a way of literally broadcasting the emotional and cultural centrality of the conventional big-ticket experiences that make a life a life.”

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/conservative-culture-of-country-music/

"When Country Went Right"

[the author has a phd in music history]

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Country music married into the conservative movement...

making the first-ever presidential visit to the Grand Ole Opry, [president Nixon said]…"I wanted to take this opportunity on behalf of all the American people to thank country music for what it does to make America a better country," he said. "It talks about family. It talks about religion, the faith in God that is so important to our country ... Country music radiates a love of this nation. Country music, therefore, has those combinations which are so essential to America's character." That evening he also made an extraordinary claim about a music so closely identified with its Southern roots: "Country music also has a magnificent appeal all across the country. It comes from ... out here in Middle America."

And he was right. By 1970, over two-thirds of country record sales were made outside the South. What largely united listeners from coast to coast was a longing for a more simple, more stable, and more wholesome time than the present. While country's appeal had much to do with these values, however, overtly political songs were a tiny minority.

http://prospect.org/article/when-country-went-right (there are some things in here that might help to explain thompson’s bringing up merle haggard’s song)

so yeah---religion, god, love of country, hard work, family, hometowns, you know, all those things liberals love hearing about that are "void of meaning" for us non liberal types.

cant watch this so im going to have to take the title's word for it:

http://patriotvideos.net/liberal-tv-host-says-people-who-listen-to-country-music-are-pyschopaths/

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It struck me, I first visited the US at 12 yr old, and after my visit, I discovered this song, although non-related. My impression of US back then was it's very unsafe, gunshots keep happening, and lots of people begging and living on the streets. We even got attack for not giving money. This was in LA. But this is a musician who wrote this song in 1992, that was his perception of his own country. I visited for the first time in 1993. It struck me today that, everything he sees in 1992 is still mostly true on 2016. Nothing has changed ha!

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

Here's a good political song: Uneasy Rider by Charlie Daniels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=952h-AJ3Bcg

I just ordered up a beer and sat down at the bar
When some guy walked in and said, "Who owns this car
With the peace sign, the mag wheels and the four on the floor?"

He looked at me and I damn near died
And I decided that I'd just wait outside
So I laid a dollar on the bar and headed for the door

Just when I thought I'd get outta there with my skin
These 5 big dudes come strollin in
With one old drunk chick and some fella with green teeth

I was almost to the door when the biggest one
Said, "You tip your hat to this lady, son!"
And when I did, all that hair fell out from underneath

Now the last thing I wanted was to get into a fight
In Jackson Mississippi on a Saturday night
Especially when there was three of them and only one of me

They all started laughin and I felt kinda sick
And I knew I better think of something pretty quick
So I just reached out and kicked old green teeth right in the knee

Now he let out a yell that'd curl yer hair
But before he could move I grabbed me a chair
And said "Now watch him Folks cause he's a thoroughly dangerous man!"

"You may not know it but this man is a spy.
He's a undercover agent for the FBI
And he's been sent down here to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan!"

He was still bent over holdin on to his knee
But everybody else was looking and listening to me
And I laid it on thicker and heavier as I went

I said, "Would you believe this man has gone as far
As tearing Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars.
And he voted for George McGovern for President."

"Well, he's a friend of them long haired, hippy-type, pinko fags!
I betchya he's even got a commie flag
tacked up on the wall inside of his garage."

"He's a snake in the grass, I tell ya guys.
He may look dumb but that's just a disguise,
He's a mastermind in the ways of espionage"

They all started lookin real suspicious at him
And he jumped up and said "Now just wait a minute Jim!
You know he's lying I been living here all of my life!"

"I'm a faithful follower of Brother John Birch
And I belong to the Antioch Baptist Church.
And I ain't even got a garage, you can call home and ask my wife!"

Then he started saying somethin bout the way I was dressed
But I didn't wait around to hear the rest
I was too busy moving and hoping I didn't run outta luck

When I hit the ground I was making tracks
And they were just taking my car down off the jacks
So I threw the man a twenty and jumped in and fired that mother up

You left out (I think) two verses, but we won't revoke your ASCAP card (this time).

I won't say "always", but I think music has been a political vehicle, in a major way for a long time; at least since the thirties, during the Great Depression. There were all kinds of anti-Coolidge songs, back then.

Certainly, we can't forget the Vietnam Era (as a few haven't).

But, submitted for your approval: The National Anthem of the United States was a poem that was turned into a song for the expressed purposes of instilling nationalism and patriotism ... you know, politics.



Michael