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What a pompous lot of nonsense. It's one thing to be condescending from a position of knowledge and authority on a topic. It's quite another thing to attempt to hide one's ignorance of the topic by trying to be condescending and superior. Let me see if I can shine some light into your uneducated mind.
Political Science, m'dear - once you get past the surface patina of respectability - is about the use of tools and techniques for the acquisition of power. One of the earliest examples of the documentation of political science is Nicollo Machiavelli's "The Prince". A treatise on the acquisition and maintenance of power.
So, it's important to understand that political science operates in a meta context. Done properly it's about understanding the ways in which various movements, ideologies and individuals have acquired - and lost - power.
It is, intrinsically, amoral. True political science is about what works, not what is right. It's about what is expedient, not what is beneficial to the people.
Peon's presentation on feminism is not the viewpoint of a political scientist. Feminism is a political ideology constructed for the explicit purpose of further privileging already-privileged middle class white women. Any political scientist worth their salt would deconstruct the underpinnings of the movement, the presentation of a moral justification for feminism (thus making an attempt to win the moral war), the acquisition of power by feminists and how the use of that power in the past - and in the present - impacts society in a social and legislative sense.
A political scientist would find unashamed opposition to feminism INTERESTING because it represents the rise of a new political class in opposition to an established order. And that new class is deconstructing the implicit assumptions of feminism and the patriarchy theory by which demonisation of men is justified.
Peon has none of this. He has no inquiring mind and his apprehension of feminism is that of the true believer. The religious nut, not the impartial and interested scientist. He's already said he'd fail a student for thinking outside the box - effectively thinking for themselves - and as a result it's blatantly clear that he's not teaching political science. On the contrary, what he's teaching is doctrine - or if you prefer, dogma.
Now, that's not exactly a surprise and it's partially not his fault. The triumph of ideology over education in British academia has been going on for some time and it's well known that British academics are more interested in turning out students who possess the right ideology rather than the right set of abilities, tools and techniques for success.
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For all the pretension and bluster, you seem unable to specify any point on which Peon's position is false, That's because he doesn't actually take a position. He simply reverts to a dictionary definition in a vague attempt to hand-wave away the many problematic - and by that I mean misandrist - aspects of feminist ideology.
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even though his understanding of feminism appears to be vastly superior to yours. You have no justification for making that claim. None. Peon has demonstrated nothing more than a belief that feminism is a dictionary definition. That's about as shallow an understanding as it's possible to have.
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It appears that your idea of feminism is that it's "engaging in constant social and legislative attack upon men" (post #26) Yes, because that's what feminists are doing. Is that too hard for you to understand?
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because "feminists y'see don't like men that much" (post#5). Yes, as evidenced in feminist theory where feminism asserts that men are a bunch of monsters. Which part of this is confusing you?
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It's a measure of your arrogance that you attempt to make the women's movement all about men like you. It's not. No you ditzy bitch, I'm pointing out that when feminism pretends to be inclusive by claiming it's about "equality for all genders" that it's actually a monumental fucking lie. Feminism advocates for further advantages for women. Specifically, white middle-class women. And feminism does not care one whit about men. Period.
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Feminism covers a broad range of allied philosophies/ideologies that advocate for equality of the sexes. No it doesn't. Feminist theory is fundamentally anti-male by asserting patriarchy theory as their underlying justification for the demonisation of men. By reframing the world as a horror story with men as "the other" who solely possess agency and act upon women as victims, feminism attempts to present the moral justification for male hatred.
In many ways, feminism is hate speech. I think once that's recognised the opportunity for progress will arise.
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It's not about you, not about men in general no matter how much you would like it to be. Christ you're thick. I've already said feminism is about advocating for further advantages for white women, which part of this discussion are you having difficulty following?
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You simply aren't that important in the great scheme of things. None of us is, sweet cheeks. What colossal arrogance you possess to think otherwise.
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It's about women improving their lot in life. Oh yeah - because being part of a protected and privileged class is so fucking hard for you. My heart bleeds. Really. *rolls eyes*
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And given your implacable opposition to feminism, I have to wonder why it is that you find women improving their lot in life so objectionable. I don't. But feminism is about making society responsible for women's happiness and removing their responsibility for making themselves happy. The victim-hood mantra is sickening - every feminist believes she really could have had a pony if only it wasn't for the damn patriarchy making her life a misery.
In other words, feminism has all the hallmarks of a conspiracy theory. And people who believe in conspiracy theories aren't the full quid.
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I also have to wonder why you insist that you know better when people point out the correct meaning of the term 'feminism'
A) Because I do. Duh.
B) Feminism is an ideology and a political movement, not a dictionary definition. Peon's "One True Feminist" fallacy is the way in which modern feminists attempt to avoid dissection and repudiation of their flawed ideology.
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when it's abundantly clear that you don't know better. Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear. That truly is the pot calling the kettle black.
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I am yet to see any evidence that you know anything at all about feminism. I'm truly sorry, but I can't compensate for your poor comprehension.
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If you plan on continuing to post on this topic, do yourself a favour and take Peon's advice to learn a little bit about feminism. My dear, I hazard a guess I know far more about it than either Peon or yourself. In fact, I suspect Nick's knowledge trumps both of you.
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People are far more persuasive when they know what they are talking about. I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about. People are more persuasive when they employ charisma. In this forum, I simply don't care. Persuasion is not my goal. Refutation of utter nonsense is my goal.
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On this topic, it is patently clear to any one who does know a little about feminism Well that wouldn't include you, sweetcheeks.
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that you don't know the first thing about it. Oh please. Now you're just embarrassing yourself. 
< Message edited by Awareness -- 4/14/2016 6:33:14 AM >
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