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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/19/2016 3:33:01 AM   
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What the bill did was presume equal custody at the start of determination, and then consider the specific circumstances surrounding that child and the parents to determine custody.

Then how is this different from how normal things work, IF the equal custody thing is not set in stone regardless of circumstances? Why does there even need to have this?



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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/19/2016 3:57:26 AM   
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WRONG! You keep fucking this up and I'm really getting tired of correcting you.

Feminists believe in patriarchy theory. Feminists believe that men as a class have oppressed women as a class for untold generations. THAT is what feminists believe.

You seem to think that is not true. How droll.



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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/19/2016 2:48:49 PM   
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WRONG! You keep fucking this up and I'm really getting tired of correcting you.

Feminists believe in patriarchy theory. Feminists believe that men as a class have oppressed women as a class for untold generations. THAT is what feminists believe.

You seem to think that is not true. How droll.



I know it's not true. Duh.


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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/19/2016 7:11:36 PM   
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WRONG! You keep fucking this up and I'm really getting tired of correcting you.

Feminists believe in patriarchy theory. Feminists believe that men as a class have oppressed women as a class for untold generations. THAT is what feminists believe.

You seem to think that is not true. How droll.



I know it's not true. Duh.

Roflmfao

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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/21/2016 5:05:04 AM   
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What the bill did was presume equal custody at the start of determination, and then consider the specific circumstances surrounding that child and the parents to determine custody.

Then how is this different from how normal things work, IF the equal custody thing is not set in stone regardless of circumstances? Why does there even need to have this?



Because historically family courts favour women by quite a wide margin. It's another example of what some like to call "the pussy pass", wherein possession of a vagina grants you special privileges.

Basically what you have here is a feminist organisation protesting against equality. Because when a feminist says "equality" what she really means is "more privileges for women" or "less responsibilities for women".

You can see why feminists are rarely mathematicians.


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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/21/2016 5:29:32 AM   
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Because historically family courts favour women by quite a wide margin. It's another example of what some like to call "the pussy pass", wherein possession of a vagina grants you special privileges.

Basically what you have here is a feminist organisation protesting against equality. Because when a feminist says "equality" what she really means is "more privileges for women" or "less responsibilities for women".

You can see why feminists are rarely mathematicians.


But this rule isn't fair either, because, it automatically assumes 50-50 before even looking at the circumstances.
I think no percentages should be considered, until all circumstances are considered which is exactly how regular system works.

There is no officially law that says, custody is initially 70 women and 30 men. It's just that, most of the time, there are still many traditional marriages where the female often has the greater bond with the child due to being the person being more involved with anything to do with the child.

As I was saying in my previous post, men have gotten alimony, as well as full custody as well. When it's proven the woman wasn't the one who was the main care taker of the child. That seems very fair to me.

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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/21/2016 5:58:26 AM   
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But this rule isn't fair either, because, it automatically assumes 50-50 before even looking at the circumstances.
No, it presumes that 50/50 is the BASE from which you work instead of presuming special privileges for women just because they possess a vagina.

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I think no percentages should be considered, until all circumstances are considered which is exactly how regular system works.
No, the regular system presumes that women are automatically better parents. Consequently women enter child custody cases with a considerable advantage.

This law aims to do away with the inherent bias which courts have had in favour of women.

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There is no officially law that says, custody is initially 70 women and 30 men. It's just that, most of the time, there are still many traditional marriages where the female often has the greater bond with the child due to being the person being more involved with anything to do with the child.
The marriage arrangement is absolutely irrelevant to which parent is more fit to have custody. Presuming women are better parents is sexist.

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As I was saying in my previous post, men have gotten alimony, as well as full custody as well. When it's proven the woman wasn't the one who was the main care taker of the child. That seems very fair to me.
And here we hit upon the real reason for NOW's wailing and gnashing of teeth. Money. This law covers alimony payments and the women who claim they want "equality" are revealed as a bunch of dirty, money-grubbing pieces of shit more interested in filthy lucre than the welfare of their own children.

Women don't implicitly deserve an advantage in child custody cases. This bill is about addressing an inequity that men's groups have been railing against for decades. That feminist organisations who claim they want "gender equality" are opposing this bill just reveals them for the sham they are and provides a testament to their utter moral bankruptcy.


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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/21/2016 7:22:45 AM   
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Because historically family courts favour women by quite a wide margin.

Cite please. Your opinion is just your opinion.

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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/21/2016 5:53:39 PM   
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You don't get to demand evidence when your entire output is unsupported bilge. The statistics regarding child custody are incontrovertible. Find them yourself.

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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/21/2016 6:17:31 PM   
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Because historically family courts favour women by quite a wide margin.

Actually, that is a relatively recent development, and is based on the rather patriarchal idea that women are somehow more suited to raising kids alone than men are, that it was somehow better for the kids.

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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/21/2016 6:21:04 PM   
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You don't get to demand evidence when your entire output is unsupported bilge. The statistics regarding child custody are incontrovertible. Find them yourself.


Which means you cannot support your idiotic opinion so you follow up with bluster.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/22/2016 1:04:30 AM   
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I don't fully understand Peon's position in feminism. Is he a feminist teacher in a university?

Anyway, for Peon, a person who is supposed to be the daddy of feminism in CS forums and a "know it all" of feminism, it's very strange how he has not came up with a straight, clear, forward answer to why NOW opposed this bill.

It seems like he has no justifiable reason to claim so he keeps on dodging the answer for NOW's stance. He knows the truth about this matter contradicts his dictionary meaning of feminism and he has no standing ground to discuss the matter.

As I keep saying, what feminists do is what feminism is!

The dictionary meaning won't save you.

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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/22/2016 3:34:50 AM   
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it's very strange how he has not came up with a straight, clear, forward answer to why NOW opposed this bill.

Maybe because he isn't a member of NOW?

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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/22/2016 3:44:42 AM   
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I don't fully understand Peon's position in feminism. Is he a feminist teacher in a university?

Anyway, for Peon, a person who is supposed to be the daddy of feminism in CS forums and a "know it all" of feminism, it's very strange how he has not came up with a straight, clear, forward answer to why NOW opposed this bill.

It seems like he has no justifiable reason to claim so he keeps on dodging the answer for NOW's stance. He knows the truth about this matter contradicts his dictionary meaning of feminism and he has no standing ground to discuss the matter.

As I keep saying, what feminists do is what feminism is!

The dictionary meaning won't save you.


IF you bothered to read your own OP, you would have found the answers to your question. The OP quotes a NOW representative as saying:
"“Not only will alimony be affected by the proposed legislation, but also timesharing,” Quick said. “The bill is calling for a 50/50 timeshare split. This affects child support payments. More timesharing equals less payments. Regardless if the child is more bonded with one parent over another, or if one parent works longer hours, or if the parent has emotional or substance abuse issues — there will be an equal split. The kids should have a say in whom they want to live with. And that person should be able to afford their clothing, food and activities. We must ask ourselves ‘What is in the best interest of the child?’ “
http://floridapolitics.com/archives/206474-womens-rights-groups-host-statewide-media-conference-sb-668

It seems that NOW is opposed to mandatory 50-50 splits, and insisting that the best interests of the child be considered when making these decisions. Now isn't that a shocking proposition? Feminists are advocating that the best interests of the child, not the mother or the father, be taken into account - and you ask us to believe that this is clearly another devious manoeuvre designed to disempower men so that feminists can sate their 'man-hating obsessions'.

You have been a very very naughty boy and haven't done your homework. It's getting harder and harder to take you seriously nicki. You don't seem to read or understand your own links, you deliberately distort the minute fraction of the link that you can understand in order to make a false, delusional political point and you don't listen when people (who clearly know a lot more about these things than you do) correct your infantile rants. On this foundation of uncompromising ignorance and all consuming hate, you are insisting that you and you alone can define feminism and everyone else is wrong ......

You are the kind of stupid that gets stupid a really bad name.

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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/22/2016 9:04:28 AM   
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Because historically family courts favour women by quite a wide margin.

Actually, that is a relatively recent development, and is based on the rather patriarchal idea that women are somehow more suited to raising kids alone than men are, that it was somehow better for the kids.

Depends on what you consider recent. In the seventies, because of feminists, the courts moved toward fairness. They'd take the pros and cons of each parent in a blind summary and award custody based on that. What happened was that too many men were then awarded custody. The feminists couldn't have that, as Awarness mentions, feminism has no relationship with fairness. So since then feminist have been working hard to get the courts to lean vagina. Awareness is very correct in what he's saying.

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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/22/2016 9:10:09 AM   
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I don't fully understand Peon's position in feminism. Is he a feminist teacher in a university?

Anyway, for Peon, a person who is supposed to be the daddy of feminism in CS forums and a "know it all" of feminism, it's very strange how he has not came up with a straight, clear, forward answer to why NOW opposed this bill.

It seems like he has no justifiable reason to claim so he keeps on dodging the answer for NOW's stance. He knows the truth about this matter contradicts his dictionary meaning of feminism and he has no standing ground to discuss the matter.

As I keep saying, what feminists do is what feminism is!

The dictionary meaning won't save you.


IF you bothered to read your own OP, you would have found the answers to your question. The OP quotes a NOW representative as saying:
"“Not only will alimony be affected by the proposed legislation, but also timesharing,” Quick said. “The bill is calling for a 50/50 timeshare split. This affects child support payments. More timesharing equals less payments. Regardless if the child is more bonded with one parent over another, or if one parent works longer hours, or if the parent has emotional or substance abuse issues — there will be an equal split. The kids should have a say in whom they want to live with. And that person should be able to afford their clothing, food and activities. We must ask ourselves ‘What is in the best interest of the child?’ “
http://floridapolitics.com/archives/206474-womens-rights-groups-host-statewide-media-conference-sb-668

It seems that NOW is opposed to mandatory 50-50 splits, and insisting that the best interests of the child be considered when making these decisions. Now isn't that a shocking proposition? Feminists are advocating that the best interests of the child, not the mother or the father, be taken into account - and you ask us to believe that this is clearly another devious manoeuvre designed to disempower men so that feminists can sate their 'man-hating obsessions'.

You have been a very very naughty boy and haven't done your homework. It's getting harder and harder to take you seriously nicki. You don't seem to read or understand your own links, you deliberately distort the minute fraction of the link that you can understand in order to make a false, delusional political point and you don't listen when people (who clearly know a lot more about these things than you do) correct your infantile rants. On this foundation of uncompromising ignorance and all consuming hate, you are insisting that you and you alone can define feminism and everyone else is wrong ......

You are the kind of stupid that gets stupid a really bad name.

Obviously another feminist who believes emotional malevolence is equal to intelligence. It pretty much discredits anything she says, which was really not conversant with history anyway.

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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/22/2016 9:13:40 AM   
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IF you bothered to read your own OP, you would have found the answers to your question. The OP quotes a NOW representative as saying:
"“Not only will alimony be affected by the proposed legislation, but also timesharing,” Quick said. “The bill is calling for a 50/50 timeshare split. This affects child support payments. More timesharing equals less payments. Regardless if the child is more bonded with one parent over another, or if one parent works longer hours, or if the parent has emotional or substance abuse issues — there will be an equal split.
Except that's a complete lie. That is not what the bill says at all. If you look hard you can find NOW's real problem with this bill - the possibility that women will be less able to squeeze cash out of the father.

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The kids should have a say in whom they want to live with. And that person should be able to afford their clothing, food and activities. We must ask ourselves ‘What is in the best interest of the child?’ “
For decades, that little mantra has been used by women's groups to suck money out of fathers while depriving them of time with their child. That's not going to work any more.
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It seems that NOW is opposed to mandatory 50-50 splits, and insisting that the best interests of the child be considered when making these decisions. Now isn't that a shocking proposition? Feminists are advocating that the best interests of the child, not the mother or the father, be taken into account - and you ask us to believe that this is clearly another devious manoeuvre designed to disempower men so that feminists can sate their 'man-hating obsessions'.
Bullshit. The bill is PRIMARILY concerned with alimony payments (the primary reason for feminists getting all butt-hurt over the bill) and - amongst other things - does away with the concept of lifetime alimony and attempts to provide a formula for alimony payments to stop them being so wildly disparate.

In short: "If the reform measure is signed, the bill would alter the way courts determine alimony – it would give judges guidelines to decide alimony payments, limit the duration of alimony to recipients, eliminate "lifetime" alimony and spell out specific circumstances under which alimony awards may be modified or terminated."

Lord, you feminists are so transparent. It's fascinating to watch you lie again and again in order to try and gain sympathy for your privileged little existence.

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You have been a very very naughty boy and haven't done your homework.
You've been a very dumb, lying little feminist and have been caught out. Nobody with a modicum of intelligence takes feminists seriously, so it's really not possible to damage your credibility any further - it's already in the toilet.

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It's getting harder and harder to take you seriously nicki. You don't seem to read or understand your own links, you deliberately distort the minute fraction of the link that you can understand in order to make a false, delusional political point and you don't listen when people (who clearly know a lot more about these things than you do) correct your infantile rants. On this foundation of uncompromising ignorance and all consuming hate, you are insisting that you and you alone can define feminism and everyone else is wrong ......
Oh dear. You do realise the irony of your statements and what a complete fucking fool you've made of yourself, right?

I love watching feminists hang themselves with their own stupidity.

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You are the kind of stupid that gets stupid a really bad name.
*snigger* You couldn't have described yourself any better.


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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/22/2016 9:15:06 AM   
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I don't fully understand Peon's position in feminism. Is he a feminist teacher in a university?
Claims to be a leftist academic. They don't teach, they indoctrinate. Well documented in British academia.


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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/22/2016 9:21:28 AM   
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The kids should have a say in whom they want to live with. And that person should be able to afford their clothing, food and activities. We must ask ourselves ‘What is in the best interest of the child?’ “


For decades, that little mantra has been used by women's groups to suck money out of fathers while depriving them of time with their child. That's not going to work any more.



As a single parent who (eventually) was the custodial parent, I can speak to this:

There are two states (of which I'm aware) that have an age where a child can decide with whom they want to live. Of course, this is barring any real issues with the parent the child chooses. Someone who's shown a propensity for substance abuse isn't going to get primary custody.



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RE: Women's rights groups to rally against equal custod... - 4/22/2016 11:41:32 PM   
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The kids should have a say in whom they want to live with. And that person should be able to afford their clothing, food and activities. We must ask ourselves ‘What is in the best interest of the child?’ “[/color]


For decades, that little mantra has been used by women's groups to suck money out of fathers while depriving them of time with their child. That's not going to work any more.


How revealing to see that you insist that the best interests of the child are not a critical factor, taking precedence over all other factors, but a "mantra" allegedly used by feminists to "suck money out of fathers while depriving them of time with their child". You have made it perfectly clear what the real issue is for you, and it's not the children, it's money

That you dismiss the best interests of the child in these matters tells us a lot about your faux concern for fairness and justice. That you dismiss the best interests of the child, replacing it with money as the most important factor tells us where you are at, and it isn't a pretty place. That you place a far lower priority on the best interests of the child than the size of alimony payments tells us that you aren't interested in ensuring the children are given the best possible chance of surviving marital separations without enduring psychological damage, that, for you, this is less important than the size of alimony payments. That you dismiss the best interests of children as a "feminist mantra" designed to get bigger alimony payments reveals the depth of hatred and utter perversity of your position.

In short your failure to place the best interests of the child as the highest priority disqualifies you from making any meaningful or useful contribution to this topic. If money is your highest priority, as you indicate above, then you should have no role in determining anything about issues involving children, their best interests and their futures.

Unless you agree that the childrens' interests are the highest possible priority and all other matters (including the rights and obligations of both parents) are secondary, you forfeit any right to meaningful participation in matters of this kind. Unless you can see the absolute need for, and justice of prioritising the children's interests above all others, further conversation with you is pointless.

I feel sorry for you that you regard money as more important than children but your choice makes it abundantly clear that you have no place in assessing the best outcomes for children, or for that matter anyone else, in marital split-ups. Best you stick to bean counting or something similar, something far more closely aligned to your interests and tastes than the future of children.

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