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April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/15/2016 10:54:52 PM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		Tax Day is April 18, this year.
Anyone else feel they pay way too much in taxes?
Ugh
So many people whine and moan about a raise.
How about, let me keep more of the money I make, by lowering the tax rate?

Tons of articles listing companies that pay little to no taxes.
{ Lear Corp. , Verizon Communcations, Bank of America } on and on.
Most Americans work 4 months a year to pay their taxes.
So 4 months a year you work to pay the government, and the other 8 months you
actually work for yourself.
My life would change if I could just keep 10% more of the money that I make.
Damn taxes!


What's a "fair amount" of income taxes?
5%, 10%, 15%, 20%, 50%
I think 10% is close to fair.
I would not mind paying more, if we had free universal health care.
But that is not the case.
Tax day? Bah fucking humbug


< Message edited by Marini -- 4/15/2016 11:01:20 PM >

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/15/2016 11:08:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm self employed. I'm willing to pay the higher taxes to have that status. But, when Obama care took over - they cancelled our $377 a month plan and it is now $1100 a month with a $5000 per person deductible. Coming to a conclusion that it is better to put $400 a month into a bank account than to pay $1100 a month that wouldn't cover major medical charges....I now have to pay a penalty for not being able to afford health insurance.

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/15/2016 11:19:05 PM   
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I think 110% is fair.

People get the gubmint they deserve you know.

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/15/2016 11:22:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

I'm self employed. I'm willing to pay the higher taxes to have that status. But, when Obama care took over - they cancelled our $377 a month plan and it is now $1100 a month with a $5000 per person deductible. Coming to a conclusion that it is better to put $400 a month into a bank account than to pay $1100 a month that wouldn't cover major medical charges....I now have to pay a penalty for not being able to afford health insurance.



yeh but think of all the welfare and gubmint job creation you are helping to insure!

You got to vote on that didnt you?

dont we just love our mobopoly?

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 2:02:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

I'm self employed. I'm willing to pay the higher taxes to have that status. But, when Obama care took over - they cancelled our $377 a month plan and it is now $1100 a month with a $5000 per person deductible. Coming to a conclusion that it is better to put $400 a month into a bank account than to pay $1100 a month that wouldn't cover major medical charges....I now have to pay a penalty for not being able to afford health insurance.

I'm right there with you, OG. Same situation. Not only did I get the pleasure of paying the "Fuck You Healthcare" fine but I also had to cough up $12,000 for taxes this year.

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 6:23:12 AM   
Phydeaux


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

Tax Day is April 18, this year.
Anyone else feel they pay way too much in taxes?
Ugh
So many people whine and moan about a raise.
How about, let me keep more of the money I make, by lowering the tax rate?

Tons of articles listing companies that pay little to no taxes.
{ Lear Corp. , Verizon Communcations, Bank of America } on and on.
Most Americans work 4 months a year to pay their taxes.
So 4 months a year you work to pay the government, and the other 8 months you
actually work for yourself.
My life would change if I could just keep 10% more of the money that I make.
Damn taxes!


What's a "fair amount" of income taxes?
5%, 10%, 15%, 20%, 50%
I think 10% is close to fair.
I would not mind paying more, if we had free universal health care.
But that is not the case.
Tax day? Bah fucking humbug



Half the people in the United States pay no income taxes. Congratulations on being a productive member of society. But you shouldn't complain about your taxes - no no no.

2.4 trillion dollars every year are spent on entitlement spending. The entire afghan war - ten years of it - cost us 1 trillion. Government agencies spending is 22% of the American economy - an all time high.

Interest on the debt will soon cost us 11% of our budget.

Obamacare advocates like to say that it "only" costs 1.2 trillion, which is complete hogwash. That cost is the cost to the government, which is the genius of Obamcare. The ACA shifted the cost of providing insurance from the government to people that already had insurance. Think your increased costs are included in the costs of the ACA? Of course not.

Forbes has an article that says the average costs increased 77% 37%, 47% by age bracket. Womens costs increased 18% 28% and 37%. http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/11/04/49-state-analysis-obamacare-to-increase-individual-market-premiums-by-avg-of-41-subsidies-flow-to-elderly/#40a4c59983bf

This represents half a trillion dollars in increased costs on consumers. Per year. (220 million workers, 200 net increase per month - 44 billion a month. 528 billion per year.

This of course doesn't count the costs of things like higher deductibles under the ACA.

So you wonder why people feel so strapped? Thats 200 dollars more per person that the government just ripped out of your wallet - every month.

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Marini - I feel your pain. But when you say 10% is "fair" and then only if you had universal healthcare - the costs of a single payer system in the us would be 3.3 trillion dollars a year. In other words, it would cost 75% of the current US budget, by itself. So if you were in the top bracket - your tax would be 30% for single payer alone.

If you don't like these taxes - dont vote democrat.

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 6:42:06 AM   
Termyn8or


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There is a little known form you can fill out claiming hardship to get out of that penalty. From what I read there is no means test.

Number 13 - "Your individual insurance plan was cancelled after June 30, 2013 and you believe other Marketplace plans are unaffordable"

They give a bunch of grounds to make you think you have to have certain problems, but # 13 is the ultimate loophole. YOU BELIEVE it is unaffordable.

From : https://www.healthcare.gov/health-coverage-exemptions/hardship-exemptions/

This assumes your plan was cancelled after June 2013, if not, read the website, maybe there is another clause works for you.

In comment, I will say this; This shit proves how out of touch with reality these people are. And it's not just Obamacare, it is Romneycare, which he enacted as governor and then in the Presidential race did not even carry his home state. Wonder why ? He broke the People of that state. I am surprised people are not moving out in droves, or maybe they are. Maybe I'll look it up.

One of the problems with the ACA is there is no cap on deductibles. If you need a subsidy to pay the thousand a month, where the hell do you come up with five or ten grand for deductibles ?

Now, if you had bought insurance company stocks years ago you would be able to afford it. Fucking pricks. You won't catch me dead paying taxes, and I ain't afraid to say it because they can't prove a damn thing. I am done with those people and if i get sick, well I guess if my immune system can't handle it I die. My back is in bad shape again, know what ? I don't want their help. They screw up more than they fix when it comes to the back. and I don't take pain killers unless you include beer in that.

They can stick it all up thier (_|_).

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 6:46:38 AM   
Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
If you need a subsidy to pay the thousand a month, where the hell do you come up with five or ten grand for deductibles ?


Exactly. One of the many reasons the ACA hasn't improved medical outcomes one iota. Zilch. Zero. Nada.

In fact, as I recall the chief benefit reported from the ACA was feeling less anxious (about not having insurance).

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 7:43:08 AM   
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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 8:15:13 AM   
MasterBrentC


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Status: offline 		Yea, that's brilliant, otterass. Dumbocrats fuck up the greatest healthcare this planet has ever known and you want that same government to run the whole fucking show. To coin a phrase from another asshole on these boards, "Are you really that phocking stupid?"

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 8:38:48 AM   
Real0ne


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This is exactly what I'm talking about ...
The Mustang Ranch is back in private hands and open for business once again.

For those Gentle Readers who may be less-worldly than others, the Mustang Ranch was, at one time, the largest brothel in Nevada as well as being the first licensed bordello in that State.

However, while interesting, this is not the part of it's history that is really fascinating. What we're interested in is this little tid-bit buried way down in the article: after several years of tax shenanigans by the owner, the Mustang Ranch became the first (Official. Licensed.) brothel run by the United States Federal Government.

They lost money.

Let us allow that simple, yet profound, truth sink into our synapses, shall we?

The Federal Government of the United States can not run a bordello and make money.

One cathouse. Just one. Not "one in every state". Not "one whether you think you need it or not". Just one single legal bawdy-house with an already-established customer base.

And they couldn't keep it out of the red.

Now, this is just my opinion, but if your money-handling skills are so poor that you can't even make a profit selling sex, then you have absolutely no business getting involved in more complicated financial areas.

In other words, if "Slam, bam, thank you ma'am, here's a hundred bucks" is too complicated for you to make a profit, then you might just want to keep your meat-hooks out of, say -- health care.

So, the next time some bright-eyed little bit starts chanting about "Universal Health Care", I'm going to loudly and firmly opine that until the Federal Government is capable of running a profitable brothel ... they've got no business trying to run my health care.

LawDog http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2007/08/this-is-exactly-what-im-talking-about.html



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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 8:42:43 AM   
Real0ne


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
If you need a subsidy to pay the thousand a month, where the hell do you come up with five or ten grand for deductibles ?


Exactly. One of the many reasons the ACA hasn't improved medical outcomes one iota. Zilch. Zero. Nada.

In fact, as I recall the chief benefit reported from the ACA was feeling less anxious (about not having insurance).



too many fingers in the pie that get paid up front first and it will grow.

All they did is put it under mob control to solve the problems they created in the first place.




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Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 9:10:16 AM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		I have a problem with people paying zero taxes, unless they are over 62, disabled or some other situation.
There should be a sliding scale, even if you are on welfare and "get" $700 a month, you could pay 1% or 2%, which is only $7.
It's the we all should put in something theory.
Think about how all those $7 would add up, and people would gain a sense of pride.


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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 9:24:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC

Yea, that's brilliant, otterass. Dumbocrats fuck up the greatest healthcare this planet has ever known and you want that same government to run the whole fucking show. To coin a phrase from another asshole on these boards, "Are you really that phocking stupid?"


do you gobble stupid pills with your felch, spentcock? greatest healthcare this planet has ever known? And dont quote yourself, you are fucking cretinous enough saying the shit outright. There is really no difference in healthcare from 12 years ago to now.

go back to your airport bathroom and lie down by your felch bowl.

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 9:28:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		100 year war America was colonized by fighting. then the colonisers fought each other, then they shoot each other with their guns at the rate of 40 000 a year, then the Americans fought with anything with a shadow and so it begins to quote a Vorlon. And we all know you lot regularly take pot shots at UFO's check out NASA live feed Incidentally the pulled the space station feed again two days ago

In the UK the poor have to work in sweatshops with shag all rights 16 months a year just to pay our tax burden as explained by the Monty python sketch four Yorkshireman

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 9:34:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC

Yea, that's brilliant, otterass. Dumbocrats fuck up the greatest healthcare this planet has ever known and you want that same government to run the whole fucking show. To coin a phrase from another asshole on these boards, "Are you really that phocking stupid?"

Interesting read on the "greatest healthcare" claim:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/05/john-boehner/john-boehner-says-us-health-care-system-best-world/

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 9:37:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC

Yea, that's brilliant, otterass. Dumbocrats fuck up the greatest healthcare this planet has ever known and you want that same government to run the whole fucking show. To coin a phrase from another asshole on these boards, "Are you really that phocking stupid?"
Actually the greatest healthcare on the planet can be found in countries with socialised medicine. Australia, Canada, France.

The USA is so far down on the list when it comes to healthcare it's positively embarrassing.

Honestly, while Democrats are capable of idiocy, it staggers me how consistently stupid and utterly ignorant the average Republican actually is.


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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 9:44:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
If you need a subsidy to pay the thousand a month, where the hell do you come up with five or ten grand for deductibles ?


Exactly. One of the many reasons the ACA hasn't improved medical outcomes one iota. Zilch. Zero. Nada.

In fact, as I recall the chief benefit reported from the ACA was feeling less anxious (about not having insurance).



Yeah, you need insurance to pay the deductibles !

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 9:46:10 AM   
Marini


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC

Yea, that's brilliant, otterass. Dumbocrats fuck up the greatest healthcare this planet has ever known and you want that same government to run the whole fucking show. To coin a phrase from another asshole on these boards, "Are you really that phocking stupid?"
Actually the greatest healthcare on the planet can be found in countries with socialised medicine. Australia, Canada, France.

The USA is so far down on the list when it comes to healthcare it's positively embarrassing.

Honestly, while Democrats are capable of idiocy, it staggers me how consistently stupid and utterly ignorant the average Republican actually is.



I would love to see some form of single payer healthcare.
The only thing stopping implementation on both sides, is the fact both sides {Democrats and Republicans}are in bed with
soulless corporations, special interest groups, etc.
To say that the Democrats are in not in bed with soulless bastards is another lie.
In America, money trumps things like basic healthcare and the right to live.
Often Republicans are more mean spirited and obvious, but to ignore all the bills,
policies, and laws that the Democrats support is being obtuse.
The main reason the Democrats get by with so much {like Nafta} is because at least,
they are not Republicans!
I'm disgusted by both sides.
Carry on






< Message edited by Marini -- 4/16/2016 9:58:16 AM >

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RE: April 18, 2016 -- Tax day in U.S. - 4/16/2016 9:49:22 AM   
dcnovice


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http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/05/30/no-the-us-doesnt-have-the-best-health-care-system-in-the-world

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